On Bored:I dropped it because, after all, it is the first day, and we have no hard evidence, other than one past lie.
About the lie: I don't think any mafia would be dull enough to use the argument "I've never been the Mafia before", as it fails so easily.
If you had no solid evidence why did you vote in the first place?
It is obvious that NES has some kind of power role, but we don't know what kind yet. This is my first time playing, but I can understand if NES has a power role and wants to stay alive, that's fine, as long as it benefits the town.
You seem very convicted of your opinion of NES, I do not know what to make of this. What makes you think NES is definitely a power role? What if NES is just a regular townie and we're just blowing things out of proportion while the Mafia slip under our nose?
The rest of your post (reply #85) is your opinions of those who are inactive diluted in pro-town pep talking. You essentially have given nearly no reason for your sudden retraction other than "I made a mistake", which is fine in itself, but don't try (if you are) to inflate your posts with hot air.
Anyway, wanted to ask if the investigator would, if they found the mafia, reveal themselves to the public to let us know.
What would be your strategy having heard an investigator claim?
We'll see if everyone's still awake, first! Or, if anyone else is alive (has stuff been going on that I was left out on ? Everyone's dead... all my town friends... that's why they stopped replying... uh-oh... I'm the mafia's next target!
Huh?
Are you suggesting that looking for solid evidence before voting is a bad thing? That's the way it comes out to me, and I just cannot follow that advice with a good conscience.
Who are you taking about? Who suggested that solid evidence searching is bad?
Also what advice? I don't see the connection with any previous post. You must be referring to Budja's post, but it doesn't make much sense.
On NES:But alas, nobody trusts a wretch...
Huh? Explain.
I'm going to have to blindly vote T3c4n0g33k.
Why did you feel the need to vote Techno blindly? It's illogical. A townie doesn't feel the need to vote randomly.
As for voting, I might as well unvote if what the post at the time was proves true.
What post? Huh? You illogically voted and the illogically unvoted, it looks like.
I'm simply glad to see that logic has come through to the people, and for that, I am going to be grateful for.
What logic? You have provided us with nothing. What I said was that we should be cautious with lynching. If suspicion manifests itself in votes, then some of the votes on you were justified.
On NES:I'll have to break my own rules by not using a quote to start a new argument on a suspect, but I would have to quote pages of angst ridden filler to talk about you.
I consider it of poor sportsmanship to use situations and arguments independent of the game as tools in the game. Your behavior can either be explained and justified within the game, or must remain unexplained.
This is because all arguments which can't be checked inside the game (such as blaming strange behaviour with a real-life recent event) cannot be checked at all. Thus all such self-supporting arguments must be annulled.
NES, your behaviour remains unexplained in my eyes, and suspicion against it is entirely justified.
I make another point:
Let us assume you are a townie or at least a pro-town role.
Why in the world would you want to draw attention to your own death rather than honestly try to look for actual mafia? I would expect a townie in that position not to flip-out, as that is scummy, but rather battle the arguments against him with truth and, more importantly, question other players in attempt to expose Mafia.
If the townie has actually been acting suspicious (for any reason) then that townie is doomed. Why would a townie act suspicious? Only in rare tactical occasions (which usually occur in the last days) do townies purposefully attempt underhand schemes.
Let us assume you are scum.
Drawing attention to oneself also doesn't make sense, as it is not a classic mafia move at all. A mafia would not be so fragile as a mafia would expect common attacks against him.
This is where my argument get's stuck. I cannot imagine you being any town or mafia aligned role. Which brings me to my very sketchy conclusion, that NES being a serial killer is less likely than NES being a bit mad. Therefore I cannot say with even mediocre conviction what role NES is.
On Razzor:[...]
Of course, he could still be mafia, and simply unvoted because he felt he was under pressure. That is just speculation though, and its nothing I want to base my vote on.
In fact, since neither his unvote has been properly justified nor his vote on NES in the first place, his eventual unvote makes him more suspicious, to me. A common Mafia tell is vote-switching to cater for the changing views of the town. However I'm not comfortable with a Bored vote or a FOS at the moment.
On Budja:FoS: Lunar, Bored2Death for role-fishing, Lunar at least should know better.
Seriously how many times do you want to mention that NES probably has a PR.
Even if you suspect as much, you don't have to declare it to the whole town.
vote: Lunar for reasons above.
My alleged role-fishing was a theory. It has not been tested and can't be used as evidence on par with results from thorough questioning.
It was a rebuttal of the arguments against NES; a statement that an alternative explanation could be the case. I noticed that NES could be a power role, and saw that NES was most likely going to be lynched when the inactives came around (as they do once a month and vote he who has most votes
). I felt that stating clearly my belief of NES' possible pro-towniness I could be saving a possible doctor or investigator from a very hasty lynch.
On the other hand, I took into consideration that NES might be completely scummy, and I decided that I would mount an examination of NES later on, when his life was not on the line, when I had time to make sure of my position on him. He may be a plain vanilla, although I stand by my position that it is most likely he is not.
You vote for me is strange. You attack me on role-fishing, when it is Bored who speaks with the most conviction and frequency on this subject. While your argument clearly supports that Bored is the more suspicious, you set me as your prime target. Why? You seem to contradict yourself by voting me and not Bored.
NES's use of language seems still slightly forced. I have never seen NES speak in such prose before.
Indeed. He likes his Middle English but NES is behaving out of character.
Also, I'd be most comfortable with an inactive lynch. Think about it. The mafia and the SK will favour killing peeps who talk, so they can dominate. Imagine having an endgame where conversation is basically led by a mafia. Or worse, where conversation isn't led, because it doesn't exist.
Forgive any mistakes, wall of text :3