Mafia 4 day 2

Isn't that a little hasty?

Victor's claim was bad and un-needed but voting for a claimed Investigator for a policy lynch is at silly to say the least.
FoS: Sabata, Data

DO NOT lynch me. *points to mafia 2*I AM a investigator. AGAIN.

Why roleclaim victor? No, seriously, it isn't to an advantage for you regardless of whether you are town or not.

Isn't that a little hasty?

Victor's claim was bad and un-needed but voting for a claimed Investigator for a policy lynch is at silly to say the least.
FoS: Sabata, Data

You have to admit that victors claim was weird, and you yourself has made somewhat of a campaign to vote instead of FOSing to put more pressure on people.
Isn't it a bit hypocritical of you to FOS someone for doing exactly that?

Yes I do think the claim was a little strange and certainly not helpful but it is in line with victor's behaviour and lynching a claimed cop = bad. We can always lynch him later if we think he is lying (fakeclaiming seems a little unlikely for victor IMO). Killing him now is crazy.

FoSes are not bad. I am sorry if I have given that impression.
FoSes are bad when used instead of a vote like at the start of the game as it makes it hard to create pressure, but are fine for pointing out suspicious things IMO.

I see. I unvote then.

Shawnachu hasn't posted for a while now. Looking back at what he has said, it has always been a short comment agreeing with the majority of the town.
Last time I pointed this out, I also asked him what he thought about salmoneous who also was inactive at the time (he still is, to some degree). Shawnachu only snapped something about salmoneous being the inactive one, and he hasn't said anything since.
Suspicious? I think so.
I vote: Shawnachu, until he explains why he has been inactive.
Also, Shawnacu, who are you most suspicois of at the moment?

You see but do you agree ? What is your actual opinion of victor's claim?

I don't know what to think really. I mean, claiming that you are the investigator the first day is throughly stupid.
You can't prove it, it doesn't help anyone, and if the down doesn't lynch you in disbelief, the mafia will nightkill you.
The only way you can safely make that claim this early would be that you yourself is mafia, so I think it is a pretty suspicious thing to do.

Harumph.

Even if Victor is the investigator, will he be of any use (assuming he has the chance to be of use and isn't nightkilled asap)?

I definitely see the logic in not believing Victor. It is surely not crazy to lynch him.

Anyway, I think it is safe to say that Victor is very probably either the investigator or scum.

Assuming we lynch him:
- and he isn't the investigator (therefore probably is mafia): Great gain for town, we also gain great insight into the other mafia member
- and he is the investigator: Loss for town, but perhaps one which would happen either way, as Victor has already rendered himself useless. It is unlikely we will be able to garner information from him as he probably will be killed N1.

Assuming we don't lynch him:
- and he isn't the investigator (therefore probably is mafia): We have a serious issue, as the actions of the real investigator will be seriously hindered, while we are in a deluded state of pandering to mafia interest
- and he is the investigator: Perhaps the same effect as lynching an inactive townie as we probably won't be able to garner any information from him before he is nightkilled. So we will be sacrificing a more active townie today for nothing.

In the short term, it looks like it is in our interests to lynch Victor. And I would not oppose such a movement.
However, if we let Victor live, perhaps there is a more long-term gain. That of controlling the N1 kill? I can see only benefits from knowing who will be sacrificed. And if the mafia try something weird and don't kill Vic N1 we get information D2.
So there's that as well.

So it's a complex issue.

Have I unvoted Salmoneous yet? unvote

I suppose with victor's investigator claim, he does become more votable.. FoS: victor12

..I still haven't seen anyone who's actually very suspicious yet, though.

Muahahahaha! All of a sudden, I am the mafia. Muahaha.

vote:victor12

Yeah, ok. That was kind of stupid. Is it too late to unvote?

Seeing that PP's vote was the hammer (or not?), the lynch should go through. Although some mods explicitly set rules to allow unvoting even after the lynching vote is placed, the default ruleset states to lynch Victor.
Unless of course I miscounted an PP didn't just hammer.

think there's a miscount, as his vote was only 6 of 7.
13 alive, 7 kills.