Music question

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Offline Grookie

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Music question
« on: May 30, 2010, 14:31:44 »
How do you compose your KS music (ambiance)? I searched this forum a lot, but I didnīt find anything.
I donīt mean to convert .MP3 to .ogg (by dBpoweramp, I know), but to compose new music.
Thanks a lot.
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Re: Music question
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2010, 16:17:39 »
Wait... Do you want to learn how to produce music so you can put it in your KS level? I'm sorry, but that's a terrible idea.
If you want music for a KS level that you're working on, but don't know anything about making music, then you shouldn't try to make music for your KS level.
Sorry if I came off as a bit rude. :S


That said, http://nifflas.lpchip.nl/index.php?topic=1545.0
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Re: Music question
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2010, 22:15:51 »
Basically what Razzorman wants to say, but said more nice:

If you want to create your own music for your KS levels, you'll have to understand that making music isn't as easy as creating a level for KS. There's a much steeper learning curve for learning the music program even for the simplest and most easy to learn programs. Secondary, the learning curve for creating good music takes years.

It is an awesome experience to undergo, but it will probably be that you've lost interest in your KS level long before you have any decent music abilities.

I'm very good in making music, but I'm doing that for more than 15 years now. When I made music for 2 years, I really sucked. I found myself good at that time, but now that I listen back to it, it was horrible. You'll be able to make some nice songs with a year experience, no doubt, but calculate a 2 year time period of making music often to get to a level where quality becomes a factor and it will be suitable for anything you want to be proud of.

Music creation comes in several stages.

Time is a rough estimation. Can vary for anyone, its just so you see how much it takes to get good at this.

1. Learning the program from the inside out (1 month)
2. Learning to combine sounds to form music (1 year)
3. Learning to not just add stuff to what you already have, but actually create variation (another year)
4. Put emotions in it (2 to 3 years)
5. Mixing your songs to enhance quality (4 years, though you'll get decent results after about 6 months, the rest is finetuning)
6. Master your songs to get a better overall quality (same as above, because its the same learning curve)
7. Usage of advanced features like plugins (depends on the extensiveness of the plugins)
8. Learning about hardware related instruments to understand their software equals (4 years if not more)
9. Learning technical aspects of music, such as chords, rythms, chord progressions, etc.

Not necessarily in that order.

Although you only need the first 3 to make descent music, and there's always more to learn, this is a rough sketch of what will await you when pursuing the art of music.

Now, this certainly is not meant to be discouraging. In fact, you really should try it. It is very fun to do, it just takes time.
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Re: Music question
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2010, 22:49:21 »
LPChip's advice is directed at an extremely specific type of composer.  Some much more general advice:

- Learn music theory.  From a class, from a book, from the Internet, whatever.  Learn it.  Without at least basic knowledge of musical theory, you will find composition to be nearly impossible.  ("Music theory" is the same as the "technical aspects" that LPChip mentioned.)

- If you're trying to make music on a personal computer, start with a simple sample-based system.  The "classic" module formats are a good example; try Modplug Tracker, or perhaps MilkyTracker (it has less features and a less user-friendly interface, but it's more stable and cross-platform).  Linux Multimedia Studio is another easily-learned sample-based music maker, though it's not a tracker.  All of those are free.  Basically, look at the stuff mentioned in the thread Razzorman linked to.  Don't be scared off by LPChip's ridiculously high time estimates; you can learn most of these in less than a day.

- Study your favorite songs in the genre you're trying to write in.  One advantage of the aforementioned module formats is that they can be opened in a tracker to see exactly how they were made.  (If you don't have any music in those formats, check out modarchive.org.)

- Focus on composition, rather than on anything else - performing, post-production, samples, plugins, whatever.