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Title: [Environmental][Easy] Fear V2.1...
Post by: AClockworkLemon on May 24, 2009, 07:00:37
Here's my third level: Fear

It's quite a small level,but it took me ages and includes a modified tileset140 and a couple of non-moving CO's that i used in layer 7.

You can play in in either KS or KSAdvanced, the only difference being that in KSA some of the areas have the darkness effect.I couldn't be bothered putting the credits in-game, so here they are:

Level Design:
a ClockWork Lemon

Tilesets:
A ClocWork Lemon
Mr. Monkey
Nifflas

Music:
Nifflas

Heres the Link-
http://www.knyttlevels.com/levels/A%20ClockWork%20Lemon%20-%20Fear%20V2%28fixed%29.knytt.bin

Hope you guys like it! C)p

V2 is out! it includes:
-Bugs mentioned in this forum fixed
-Better Music
-KS white savepoints as well as the red KSA savepoints
-A new area
-a few more ENEMIES!! (The level is gonna be a Challenge/Normal)
-Oh yeah, and the random pit that you die when you hit the floor has water in it
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: Dandelion on May 24, 2009, 07:28:27
Fun level, my favorite one from you yet! The tileset is really fantastic, you actually managed to make it look 2.5D!
The level wasn't supposed to be scary, was it? Because it wasn't. May I suggest that you add save points? It's a bit frustrating to die when you try to explore a gap that doesn't have anything visibly dangerous on it and have to start over. Just because it's an environmental doesn't mean you don't need save points.
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: Evil on May 24, 2009, 08:11:47
2.5d made it confusing  :S
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: bunnrey on May 24, 2009, 08:19:30
*downloading*
you hooked me with the title. I hope It isn't too scary!   ;)

EDIT
finished. this is a great level, short and smart. it's also very innovative with adding that new dimension. well done! however I did find a wallswim.

Spoiler: wallswim (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: AClockworkLemon on May 24, 2009, 09:56:52
damn, silly me, I thought i fixed that one...  :ohnoes:
Ill fix it and upload a new version next weekend or something
(you will find the KSA version is a little scarier)
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: Vinterrun on May 24, 2009, 15:26:40
Great level. I loved the third dimension.

Oh and I found a SGE =D
Spoiler: (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: Dandelion on May 24, 2009, 17:58:39
Quote from: Evil on May 24, 2009, 08:11:47
2.5d made it confusing :S
2.5d Means that the graphics look 3d, but the gameplay is still 2d, which is hard to pull off well in KS.
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: AClockworkLemon on May 25, 2009, 09:59:19
In the next version (V2), I'll fix those bugs etc, and add a new area down that hole near the double-jump.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: utherdoul on May 25, 2009, 13:26:07
This was great! The pseudo-isometricism worked really well.

However, there were too many sudden death situations for a level with no savepoints. Also the wall on the far left had a slight issue where it seemed to switch from normal 2D to isometric. No screenie to exemplify I'm afraid.

Excellent work!
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: farik on May 25, 2009, 15:12:25
pretty cool. it should be expanded into a full level :)
Spoiler: (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: MilkMan on May 25, 2009, 16:31:00
I have to say, this level was not very interesting to me. When the impression of the 2.5D ( XD )  effect had gone of i found nothing interesting and nothing going on. :P I could say, it was a little boring..
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: googoogjoob on May 25, 2009, 17:05:51
The 2.5D stuff is pretty neat, but on the whole, this level is meh.

The intro and ending stuff, and the title, are like totally unrelated to the actual level. Sure, it uses the dark forest tileset thing, but it has cheerful music playing over it. The 2.5D made it more interesting, but I found it weird that grass grew at the "back" of areas and stuff hanging down from the ceiling hung from the "front". (Though to be fair I can't think of any way around this.) The level relies too heavily on the novelty of the 2.5D effect. Also the level is like totally lifeless- I don't remember even seeing, say, any wind or rain. In all this feels like the start of a bigger level. The final screen is really neat, and I thought that the level would pick up from there and get better. But it didn't.

Right after I started I went right a bit and down a bit and found myself in a pit I had to ctrl-r out of. Then I got two powerups and then, whilst exploring, found this really tall wall. In the interests of exploration, I slid down the wall to look around the bottom. It turned out the bottom was fatal, and nothing hinted at this before I touched it. :S These things weren't really that inconveniencing, but still.

Anyway like I said the 2.5D stuff is really neat, but I'd like to see it used to greater effect in a larger, more developed level. The last screen really is neat, and I'd like to see more like it.

(Incidentally, I only remember seeing 2.5D in KS done once before, and not as well or as consistently as here. So, the technical achievement is great on its own.)
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: Teper on May 25, 2009, 23:46:28
The 2,5d at the end with Juni going in the background, with COs, is really suprising. It's a shame there isn't more effects like this in the rest of the level, which works quite well but is a bit monotonous (and cruelly lacks savepoints)
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: Ghost Head on May 26, 2009, 06:52:30
I can't say I liked this. One thing I really dislike in a custom level is a pit death. No water, no spikes, just juni exploding as soon as she touches the bottom of the screen. It looks stupid. In this game it is especially annoying because you establish a lot of climbing and vertical movement through shafts and having one that abritrarily kills you is really sloppy.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

A few screens on, you can fall into a pit of....ground...that kills you for some mysterious reason.
Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

This is all made worse by the lack of save points and it would be easily solved by the addition of some water.

Here is an area you can get trapped in if you didn't get the wallclimb first
Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

And an area on the roof that hasn't had the 2.5d effect applied to it
Spoiler: (click to show/hide)


I just didn't like it. It felt sloppy and uninteresting. The best thing I can say about it is that the final screen was impressive and I'd like to see it applied to a better level.
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: AClockworkLemon on May 26, 2009, 08:47:00
@Ghost head & Googoobjoob: the pit where you which you die if you hit the bottom is to simulate KSA's death-by-falling.

Also, the pit near the far left is going to have something else in it in the new version, and the level is going from Environmental to Challenge (Normal)

Ill make sure to fix the bugs etc mentioned by you guys, thanks for your opinions.
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: 4a on May 26, 2009, 18:22:29
Quote from: a clockwork lemon on May 26, 2009, 08:47:00
@Ghost head & Googoobjoob: the pit where you which you die if you hit the bottom is to simulate KSA's death-by-falling.

Honestly have to wonder why you'd want to simulate that. 9_9

I do like the 2.5 effect, though I wish there were more variety. It's just... bland.

Quote from: googoogjoob on May 25, 2009, 17:05:51
(Incidentally, I only remember seeing 2.5D in KS done once before, and not as well or as consistently as here. So, the technical achievement is great on its own.)

What other level was it done in?
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: Miss Paula on May 26, 2009, 18:48:22
I remember a user calling himself Pip did some castle tilesets in "2d-and-a-bit"-style, and made the demo level that I attached for non-linking purpose. X)

Spoiler: Original post to the level (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: googoogjoob on May 26, 2009, 19:21:40
Quote from: 4a on May 26, 2009, 18:22:29
Quote from: googoogjoob on May 25, 2009, 17:05:51
(Incidentally, I only remember seeing 2.5D in KS done once before, and not as well or as consistently as here. So, the technical achievement is great on its own.)
What other level was it done in?

Planet M143, by MNM. (It's not very good, but the [unfortunately very short] 2.5D section is a highlight.)

Pip's stuff is really neat but it's more like 2.25D than 2.5D, since it doesn't really give as much impression of depth the way an isometric dealy does.
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: special_d on May 27, 2009, 03:42:09
What is KSAdvanced?
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: Dandelion on May 27, 2009, 03:56:16
Quote from: special_d on May 27, 2009, 03:42:09
What is KSAdvanced?
It's a Knytt stories mod.
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: Evil on May 27, 2009, 04:00:37
Has anyone made a 1d ks level?
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: AClockworkLemon on May 27, 2009, 10:53:39
That would be impossible, as something that has only one dimension cannot be seen (because it is simply a hypothetical singular point in space(I was studying dimensions in science today lol))

Edit: my bad, i was thinking of 0D

@@ special_d - Seriously, get KSAdvanced, its worth it. (and it makes the lower sections of my level slightly spookier...)(this goes to everyone looking at my post)
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: Ghost Head on May 27, 2009, 14:02:31
Damage from falling is a bad idea. Which are the pits that kill you and which are the shafts that you can climb up and down in? It's just not the right game for it. And it looks stupid to boot when you die by touching the bottom of the screen.

Also, yes you can make a 1D KS level. There would only be lateral movement. There would be no jumping or climbing. If I were making it, it would be kind of like the oubliette I suppose but with all of those traps in a straight line rather than a winding catacomb.
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: Liex on May 27, 2009, 23:03:10
 i met 4 or 5 wall swims last night  :crazy:
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: TheSquashedOrange on May 28, 2009, 03:53:07
Great work on the 3-D effects in this one, but there are alot of very irritating things about this one, WHY DO YOU HAVE A GRUDGE AGAINST SAVE POINTS??? :nuts:
Similar to portable time warp is the fact that cheery music is playing throughout the whole level. It drove me crazy, crazy, I was crazy once, they locked me in the cupboard, I liked it there, I died there, they buried me in the garden. They planted three flowers, two grew up, one grew down. It tickled my nose, it drove me crazy, crazy, crazy, I was crazy once, they locked me in the cupboard...Erm...Yeah... :huh:

Anyway, try to make it a little bit more varied as well, the 3-D is cool, but it kinda got a little dull after a while...I'll hang onto it, but I muted the music the instant it looped lol. X)
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 28, 2009, 06:46:20
Dang. Everyone found all the bugs I spotted.
Quote from: Miss Paula on May 26, 2009, 18:48:22
I remember a user calling himself Pip did some castle tilesets in "2d-and-a-bit"-style, and made the demo level that I attached for non-linking purpose. X)

Spoiler: Original post to the level (click to show/hide)
When you said that spoiler, I was expecting something more fancy. Like with shifts.
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: Firecat on May 28, 2009, 20:10:51
For those who are complaining about the lack of savepoints in KSA actually there are some (Normal KS cant detect color Savepoints as white savepoints and cant show some of the blood rain there  :moody: <_<)
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: 4a on May 28, 2009, 20:17:59
Quote from: Firecat on May 28, 2009, 20:10:51
For those who are complaining about the lack of savepoints in KSA actually there are some (Normal KS cant detect color Savepoints as white savepoints and cant show some of the blood rain there  :moody: <_<)
In that case, this
Quote from: a clockwork lemon on May 24, 2009, 07:00:37
You can play in in either KS or KSAdvanced, the only difference being that in KSA some of the areas have the darkness effect.
should probably be added to a bit.
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 29, 2009, 03:56:38
Quote from: Firecat on May 28, 2009, 20:10:51
For those who are complaining about the lack of savepoints in KSA actually there are some (Normal KS cant detect color Savepoints as white savepoints and cant show some of the blood rain there  :moody: <_<)
Grrrrrr. Could've mentioned that.
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear...
Post by: AClockworkLemon on May 29, 2009, 09:40:26
Soz i only just realised

Ill put KS whit savepoints under the red ones so the KS users can still save
Ill fix the music as well
Title: Re: [Challenge][Easyish] Fear V2...
Post by: AClockworkLemon on May 31, 2009, 07:14:42
V2 is out! Check the top of the board
(Bump)
Title: Re: [Challenge][Easyish] Fear V2...
Post by: Dandelion on May 31, 2009, 21:50:40
I played v2 in KSA and I'm a little disappointed. it's not that I don't think it's an improvement, it certainly is. You fixed all the wallswims except for one in the new area, and it's quite a bit bigger. But it's a challenge now. I like environmentals, and the recent trend has been challenge levels. It's good, but I was glad to get an environmental and you threw a bunch of enemies all over it.
Title: Re: [Challenge][Easyish] Fear V2...
Post by: AClockworkLemon on June 02, 2009, 08:56:58
... yeah, i was trying to spice it up a little :/... I could release a enviro version, im not sure.
As it is im starting on a new level (environmental hopefully) that utilises the itrometricism but is slightly less bland and samey (and hopefully even BIGGER!)  C)p
Title: Re: [Challenge][Easyish] Fear V2...
Post by: TheSquashedOrange on June 02, 2009, 10:33:56
Hmm, I should have gotten KSA when I played it, but I really liked the new version. The monsters walk straight of the edge, but that's yet another reason to play it on KSA... :/

Releasing a purely environmental version of it might not be such a bad idea really, it was sort of designed as an environmental, so it would be kinda cool to see a version with no monsters at all, it'd be really fun to play through. C)
Title: Re: [Challenge][Easyish] Fear V2...
Post by: Dandelion on June 02, 2009, 16:36:34
Quote from: TheSquashedOrange on June 02, 2009, 10:33:56
The monsters walk straight of the edge, but that's yet another reason to play it on KSA... :/
I played the KSA version and the monsters still walk off edges. KSA really doesn't make the level that different except for a few effects like blood rain. I actually don't like the bloody rain because It seems out of place, the level isn't scary at all.
Title: Re: [Challenge][Easyish] Fear V2...
Post by: AClockworkLemon on June 03, 2009, 09:35:41
d'oh i forgot to put the barrier thingie in... argh :oops: ! well, i guess that makes it V2.1.:ohnoes:
 Ill release a version without monsters as well
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear V2.1...
Post by: lamarblake on June 07, 2009, 13:23:54
You're latest version at knytt archives comes up as file corrupt. tried it twice. uninstalled now I have no copy.
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear V2.1...
Post by: AClockworkLemon on June 08, 2009, 10:54:25
whoops my bad :oops:
Ill have to take the "." out of the name. my friend had that problem as well.
Will fix asap
For the time being, ive changed the link back to the old one
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear V2.1...
Post by: AClockworkLemon on June 10, 2009, 10:58:28
I dunno about you guys, but for some reason the name of this board is highlighted in gray (im usin the WADF theme) anyone know why?? 8)
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear V2.1...
Post by: Dataflashsabot on June 10, 2009, 11:22:22
yep, your own topics show up a different color now.
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear V2.1...
Post by: AClockworkLemon on June 10, 2009, 12:30:05
Sweet, ok
* reloading fear * (shouldnt' bug up)
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear V2.1...
Post by: Evil on June 10, 2009, 12:59:49
 

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear V2.1...
Post by: Ramara on June 11, 2009, 20:11:30
 C)

Hey! I really liked this level.....smooth man....really smooth. 8)

Please make more.

The moves made sense, and if you are a veteran Knytt player..... like me....then figuring it out did not hurt my Brain! :crazy:

Thanks once more...and Psst....I love the save spots...what I don't like is having to back track all the way to the beginning of a level to win, or become tormented!  :nuts:
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear V2.1...
Post by: AClockworkLemon on June 13, 2009, 07:38:38
@@ evil...
From too little to to many? geez... ITS SUPPOSED TO BE EASY!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear V2.1...
Post by: Strange Darkness on June 14, 2009, 09:46:48
Hey C Lemon
i like the level its cool  8D
but ive got a question how did you do that darkness effect.
Where is that in the editor? It would be really usefull in a level im working on  :)
Thanks

EDIT: No problem found out!
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear V2.1...
Post by: AClockworkLemon on June 15, 2009, 10:06:09
Bank 254, KSA.
It looks like a back square. The white one does the same thing, but in white
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear V2.1...
Post by: Purple Pineapple on September 08, 2009, 05:58:54
Why?
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear V2.1...
Post by: Puppiie on October 06, 2009, 23:32:34
Love the 3d  :) overall I loved the level  ;)
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear V2.1...
Post by: the Jack on February 22, 2010, 00:21:39
I just recced this level over in the League of Crap Players thread (http://nifflas.lpchip.nl/index.php?topic=2807.msg32372#msg32372), but in case you didn't see it, I wanted to put my feedback here, too:
Quote
Despite what others have said -- and despite the low likelihood of actual death, coupled with reasonably-placed savepoints -- I absolutely found this level spooky even at its least-scary points. The striking "2.5-d" visual effect, combined with the use of tilesets, default and custom objects, ambient sound and music all worked to create a feeling of trepidation, almost anxiety. Very unusual for an otherwise exploration-focussed level. The only other level (playable by us Crap Players) I can think of that achieves a similarly fear-evocative atmosphere is Dessgeega's 'Torchlight'.

I enjoyed the heck out of this level, with goosebumps all the way. And I'm usually not a fan of 'scary' things like the horror genres of literature and film. I found this level deeply absorbing, though, to the point that I felt compelled to play through to the end -- including checking and then re-checking every room's every nook and cranny -- while my dinner cooled mostly-untouched beside the computer.

The alleged issue with the grass being behind Juni and the stuff hanging from above seeming to be in front of it wasn't an issue to me at all; it just seemed like a natural function of the 2.5-d stylisation. The stark black and white was a good choice, though I do find myself wondering if the same effect could be achieved with colour, even in a limited, perhaps two-colour, palette. Hopefully the negative feedback you received when you released the initial version of the level hasn't discouraged you (or others) from trying to do another 2.5-d level someday.

Oh, by the way, I only played the level in KS 1.2.1, not KSA... do you think I should install KSA for the full effect?
Title: Re: [Environmental][Easy] Fear V2.1...
Post by: AClockworkLemon on February 28, 2010, 10:51:38
Whoa, back from the dead C)p
Personally, I would suggest KSA (But that is personal). Thanks for the (http://e.deviantart.net/emoticons/p/plusfav.gif) on LoCP, btw. I am not currently working on another 2.5d spooky/whatever level, but I might yet :]

See atached pic for WHY you should play it in KSA
Spoiler: (click to show/hide)