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Title: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on May 05, 2009, 03:41:30

Doden Vantar:  Chapter One:  A Harsh Winter's Night

   Welcome, this is a tale, be it true or just myth, of a Knytt named, Aden.  All of her life, she has been an outcast, the black sheep of the family, or at least, so she thought.  She is now twenty-one years old and living by herself, her family comes to see her from time to time, but she never notices, just as she never notices the state she is in.  Delusion sets in, almost as if dementia has a hold on her brain, tearing every shred of happiness from her, grinding her hopes and dreams to nothing.  But little did she know, this was all preplanned, her destiny has already been written, nothing can change who she is, no one can take her away from this reality.  The darkness will have her, one way or another, the darkness never gives up, the darkness, never, gives up.

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After almost a year, I present to you all,

 

Spoiler: Doden Vantar! (click to show/hide)

Mediafire (http://www.mediafire.com/file/6blx8tht2pd1g5x/Doden%20Vantar.rar)
I even added KSA to the download so it makes it easy and such.

 Me, Mr. Monkey, and BloxMaster have all been working hard on this, all of this work was for all of you.  We aim to please and I think you will be more than pleased with what is in A Harsh Winter's Night.  The next Chapter will be even more fun, with more in it, a lot more screens, and a lot more story.  Hopefully more art next time!

I want to hear everything you have to say about it, be it good, be it bad.  I'll take everything to heart, and fix the next Chapter accordingly!

Also!  This is VERY important!  YOU MUST DOWNLOAD Knytt Stories Advanced (KSA) TO PLAY THIS LEVEL!  The topic is located HERE (http://nifflas.ni2.se/forum/index.php?topic=761.msg7008)

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Everything should be sorted out now.  It had nothing to do with the level!  :DD  Just remember to read up on how KSA works before trying to play :D

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Alright, now for as many credits as I can remember, which happens to be everything I wrote down as I was going along plus a few more:

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                                       Actors/Actresses

Aden - Paula

Narrator ? James

Alexi ? BloxMaster

Seth ? KG

Blake ? Googoogjoob

Samael ? James

Abraxas - Itsmehere

Old Man - James

                                                 Artists
Charity

BloxMaster

Mr. Monkey

                                                Musicians
EarthBound015
Nox Arcana

                                                 Tilesets
Skyflyer
Eric Colossal
EmeraldFire7
Johnny Chthonic
Nifflas
Elder
Paula
Fredrik Anderson
Jonolio
JC Grim
Squall
VDweller
Lingon
Effervescentstripes
B-Man
BloxMaster
Mr. Monkey

                                              Custom Objects Creators
BloxMaster
CPW
Bass

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If you have been forgotten, smack the hell outta me and let me know!  Everyone who was a part of this needs every bit of credit!  Without all of you, this wouldn't be possible!

Thanks for all your help!

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: KG on May 05, 2009, 05:10:37

Spoiler: Irrelevant now? (click to show/hide)

...what... what? What is going on.
I went to a crazy place with a Mike Terry background (I think it's the... void screen...?) and random people talking.
You can't jump to some places and I'm just not sure where to go in general.

I'm going to try reinstalling it.

On another note, I think there needs to be a way to skip the introduction.

Edit: ...nope, nothing changed. Looking in the editor, it looks like a lot of things are missing.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Emeraldfire7 on May 05, 2009, 05:17:29

I think the link is broken media fire says its been forwarded to media fires developement team, ive refreshed the page and closed then went back same thing  :sad: I wanna plaaayy  :sigh:

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Mr. Monkey on May 05, 2009, 06:20:08

EB, why did you release it without getting my bug report? D:

Releasing before all the bugs are fixed is bad, and, I might have been able to fix that Mike Terry bit. :(

Oh, by the way, it is possible to skip KSA's timed cutscenes by pressing Control-Q.  I don't know why that isn't documented :/

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Strange Darkness on May 05, 2009, 10:49:42

Invalid File. This error has been forwarded to MediaFire's development team.

how can i download its stoping me  :sad:

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: BloxMaster on May 05, 2009, 13:02:43

I have a theory. People weren't putting KSA into their KS folders like I thought they would. So without KS's Data folder, they didn't have the tilesets, so that made parts of the level bank. Copy KS's Data folder to KSA's folder.

Apparently Gorf was the only one to do this. :/

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Strange Darkness on May 05, 2009, 13:32:37

as i have read it seems there are problems with the uploading file and downloading the file so im just gonna have to wait  :S

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: BloxMaster on May 05, 2009, 15:26:24

I'll just clear this up: The download was deleted by EarthBound because he thought the level was messed up. He'll upload it again soon enough.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: 4a on May 05, 2009, 15:59:49

Quote from: BloxMaster on May 05, 2009, 13:02:43

I have a theory. People weren't putting KSA into their KS folders like I thought they would. So without KS's Data folder, they didn't have the tilesets, so that made parts of the level bank. Copy KS's Data folder to KSA's folder.

Apparently Gorf was the only one to do this. :/

You probably shouldn't assume people would do this. As I recall, the newer versions of KS were meant to be in their own respective folders with everything basically already set, so it makes sense to think this "KSA" would also be the same deal.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: BloxMaster on May 05, 2009, 16:09:46

I should have made that more clear, but now it is. I hope. :/

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: lamarblake on May 05, 2009, 17:02:41

In my best Ed McMahon voice: "You are correct Sir!" Copying and pasting the data folder did indeed solve that problem. I started playing again but have to go to work so I only made it through a few screens for a look and a listen and.......I deleted my earlier post so as not to spoil anything for those who haven't looked at this level yet. Most important thing I noticed with just a little game play was the music. Now that I loved. Will finish later....glad that data folder problem was solved Blox.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: victor12 on May 05, 2009, 20:03:19

Invalid File. This error has been forwarded to MediaFire's development team. grrr

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: farik on May 05, 2009, 20:29:21

has this been reuploaded yet? i really want to check it out

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on May 05, 2009, 20:47:36

Re uploaded!  Sorry about the inconvenience!  Now hopefully we can put all of this behind us, :P

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: 4a on May 05, 2009, 20:49:03

Quote from: EarthBound015 on May 05, 2009, 20:47:36

Re uploaded!  Sorry about the inconvenience!  Now hopefully we can put all of this behind us, :P

Like how Mike Terry put his past behind him when he moved to California. :D

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Kasran on May 05, 2009, 21:11:41

I demand a mirror download.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on May 05, 2009, 21:32:20

Sendspace is now an option!  Soon I will also upload to Megaupload.  :DD Enjoy!

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: farik on May 05, 2009, 22:05:07

well i haven't beat it yet, but here's my opinion. it's ambitious and i like the different tweaks used in ks advanced. but there's a lot of... i dont know, design choices that seem strange.
lots of specific examples:

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

  like the use of one very plain tileset through most of the level, random 'no climb' blocks, and the story is interesting and the acting is good, but the gameplay doesn't seem to compliment or tie into the story very much. then, the part where you get the umbrella, i never found where the code was, if there is one, so i just guessed until i got it. that was annoying. the part with the lava where you use the umbrella to float above it, just looks and plays weird, it wasn't a rewarding challenge i guess? and i found the keys and went though all the weird stuff, but didn't really 'get' any of it. i see that she's supposed to be crazy, but the level doesn't really reinforce whats happening on its own. its like the cutscenes were one thing and the level was another. but i went throught that area and all the tricks were cool, like the bouncing projectiles and all that. i thought it was the end, but then i popped back into the level. so i found some switches and flipped them, hit a red '!' mark and then couldn't figure out what to do. and since none of things i was doing really made sense with the story, i gave it up for now.

sorry its so long, but yall put so much time into it, i thought id give you a full explanation. anyway, thats just how it came off when i played it, maybe i was missing something? so ill sum it up like this: i like the special tricks, the cutscenes, and the ksadvanced :), but the level itself was pretty bare and confusing.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on May 05, 2009, 22:21:00

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Indeed, it was meant to feel bare.  The first area is more of a Saddness area, and when you are sad, bare is what you feel inside.  Not much is known now, that is true, but that is how it is supposed to be, if you know too much now, you wont need to play the future Chapters.  If you notice, the only things that are non climb are the pillar things that are only 1 tile wide, the only things that are sticky, are just the blocks.  I thought maybe the first few pillars in the beginning of the area might enforce this.  I didn't want to do what I did in Scarlet Tears and just announce what everything was, I wanted the player to get a feel for it, to know what to look for when playing throughout, to notice little tidbits.  The password, the old man gives you a hint, he tells you that one times one is indeed, one.  therefore, one times one is one, you would leave the first button on one, what comes after one?  Two, so two times two would be... so on and so forth.

 

I hope this may clear anything up, I know the first part doesn't explain much, but you would have to wait for more in the series for things to start adding up in the first Chapter in general.  Each new Chapter will reveal more of Aden's past in the post itself, revealing more of what could be happening.

:DD Thank you for your feed back m'friend!  Exactly what I am looking for.  I need as much feedback from all of you as I can get, so I can grow accustom to what you are looking at/for.  I can rearrange things in my plot line accordingly and hopefully fix what ails you all :D

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: JC Grim the 'crete reaper on May 05, 2009, 23:10:24

Wow, I've waited so ridiculously long for this, seems like June of last year if I remember correctly... To finally play it is so relaxing...  :)

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: drwright on May 05, 2009, 23:12:42

Hi, this is a very interesting level but I had no idea what was going on. I got to an area, without cheating, where there was a

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

red key and I could not get out

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: lamarblake on May 05, 2009, 23:23:21

I've played it twice now. I tend to agree with Farik's points on story line and game play not meshing but will wait, as you say Earthbound, for further chapters. I found some wall swims but wait for someone else that has a printscreen button that works. If no one does that I'll go back with the level editor and get coords.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I thought the music fit well indeed. The first part of the level starts out serene/ or sad as you say with complimentary music. That jarring stuff I was hearing before I copied the data file was in the secret area. By that time I was really into playing at it seemed to fit. I loved the layered snow where Aden seems to "plow" through it. Moving clouds were great. In the lava pits, which I liked by the way, could the clouds down there be pinkish instead? I think you meant the clouds to be fumes or smoke form the lava right? Although most of the cutscenes were longish that didn't bother me. It seems these days people want to zip right through stuff without soaking up nuances. Loved the cut scene with the wizard or cloaked guy that Aden descends to. Loved that "flashlight" effect. With that cut scene and several others my problem there is dialogue volume level. Many times the music over powers the dialogue and it's hard to hear it all. In the case of the wizard/cloaked guy isn't that where you get the clues for the umbrella codes? If I"m right that part of the dialogue is difficult to hear. Liked the newly designed save points. Many times folks put them in white areas or places where they're almost impossible to see. Like the kill spots when Aden falls to far with out climbing or floating down (once you get the umbrella). That's something that I always thought was needed as Juni could fall for a long time and land so safely. This is more realistic. There was at least one humorous moment and it got a big laugh outta me. When your'e in the secret area and find Juni hanging!  C)p

I disagree with your difficulty being set at very hard. I got through it with not too much trouble. Before the high jump there was one jump that was very hard. To me the level is between Normal and Hard.

All in all I really think this is very good level. Congrats to you and those who helped in putting it all together.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: JC Grim the 'crete reaper on May 05, 2009, 23:28:48

Quote from: drwright on May 05, 2009, 23:12:42

Hi, this is a very interesting level but I had no idea what was going on. I got to an area, without cheating, where there was a

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

red key and I could not get out

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

You'll have to manually kill yourself to get out (Ctrl+R), and look for the other key. That is what I did.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: KG on May 06, 2009, 00:30:52

Spoiler: Stuff. (click to show/hide)

Well, I still wish I could move faster, but whatever. Speaking of which, though, you should regain your ability to run if you go back to the first area (or you should block off entry to the first area altogether--I found a void/wall swim by going back).
The part with the umbrella password I did not like at all. When I first heard the hint, I thought you were supposed to somehow recreate the equation with the symbols. Only when you gave that extra hint a few posts ago did I kind of get what you meant, and even then I had to try again after doing it wrong--since I don't think of the first symbol being "1", but rather "0". To make things worse, that thing chases you around and it's just annoying in general.

All that aside, I liked the atmosphere of the level. I really don't think it needed to be as hard as it was, but it was nice.
I found the secret area legitimately and I found it particularly amusing--although navigating the secret secret was a bit bothersome.

Edit: Oh. Also, why did you have the voice-overs as ambiance files? Is that necessary in this new Knytt Stories thing?

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Joozey on May 06, 2009, 00:34:05

Very nicely made. I love the music, good acting, nice tilesets.
But the leveldesign is indeed sometimes a little poor, as mentioned by many above.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I'm stuck in the lava waterfall umbrella lake, what am I supposed to do other than fly into the lava? I can only doublejump once.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on May 06, 2009, 02:40:08

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

After the first double jump, you dont need a second, just move out of the lava's steam and fall a bit and go back into the steam while hold s, you will have more than enough height then.

Quote from: KG on May 06, 2009, 00:30:52

Spoiler: Stuff. (click to show/hide)

Well, I still wish I could move faster, but whatever. Speaking of which, though, you should regain your ability to run if you go back to the first area (or you should block off entry to the first area altogether--I found a void/wall swim by going back).
The part with the umbrella password I did not like at all. When I first heard the hint, I thought you were supposed to somehow recreate the equation with the symbols. Only when you gave that extra hint a few posts ago did I kind of get what you meant, and even then I had to try again after doing it wrong--since I don't think of the first symbol being "1", but rather "0". To make things worse, that thing chases you around and it's just annoying in general.

All that aside, I liked the atmosphere of the level. I really don't think it needed to be as hard as it was, but it was nice.
I found the secret area legitimately and I found it particularly amusing--although navigating the secret secret was a bit bothersome.

Edit: Oh. Also, why did you have the voice-overs as ambiance files? Is that necessary in this new Knytt Stories thing?

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

The only voice overs that were actually ambiance was the secret area ones.  I could have put them in with the music, but I wanted certain screens to have certain messages, therefore, I made them into ambiance.  The others are in their respective cutscene folder along with an INI to help aid them along.

I always think of the first being one, the same went in Scarlet Tears, the first one didn't need to be hit, because it was one.  That and the word first makes me automatically think of one XD .

Also, I fixed that, I will upload the new one and all that good stuff probably sometime tomorrow, but for now, I must get to bed!

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: farik on May 06, 2009, 05:40:02

i getcha now, how it's a

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

metaphor for sadness right?

i appreciate the explanation :)

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 06, 2009, 07:16:58

The intro's still going. <_<

Not working
Oh. I had to copy over the data folder for it to work. Heh. Now I get it.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Strange Darkness on May 06, 2009, 09:14:45

Yes things are now fixed  :D time to download  C)p

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Kasran on May 06, 2009, 13:15:34

Alriiiiiight.
I'm gonna download this and get back to you.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: MilkMan on May 06, 2009, 14:30:04

cool but not very scary :/ i got to say that i got bored of walking (!!!) around and not knowing where to go :oops:

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: lamarblake on May 06, 2009, 16:18:45

Quote from: MilkMan on May 06, 2009, 14:30:04

cool but not very scary :/ i got to say that i got bored of walking (!!!) around and not knowing where to go :oops:

Not knowing where to go is the point sometimes. You have to figure it out without being shown the way.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: 4a on May 06, 2009, 16:35:13

Quote from: lamarblake on May 06, 2009, 16:18:45

Quote from: MilkMan on May 06, 2009, 14:30:04

cool but not very scary :/ i got to say that i got bored of walking (!!!) around and not knowing where to go :oops:

Not knowing where to go is the point sometimes. You have to figure it out without being shown the way.

I also didn't find it very scary and boring walking around. It took me quite a few minutes to figure out where to go after getting the umbrella.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

It'd have been nice if the old person said where to go with it. <_<
Also, like KG said, the thing chasing you when you're doing the code is pretty annoying.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on May 06, 2009, 21:19:27

Quote from: MilkMan on May 06, 2009, 14:30:04

cool but not very scary :/ i got to say that i got bored of walking (!!!) around and not knowing where to go :oops:

This is the first Chapter :D .  Think of this more like a book, or even a movie.  Most things dont just start out with everything right there for you.  I wouldn't want to open a book and have everything laid out for me in Chapter One, I expect it to be kind of slow going. 

But I can understand if you expected more out of it in general, just be assured that the next Chapter will be much longer.  In fact, I have already made 100 screens and am not even close to finishing the level design itself.  Everything I've made up until now has been EXTREMELY linear, this is my first go at a level where you have to find out where to go.  So, I will learn more as I go! :D

It took me almost two weeks to finish Nifflas' "The Machine", now, I can beat it no problem, 'cause I know where to go.  If everything was told to you in The Machine, it wouldn't of been as fun.  Just explore, so what if you're walking, you don't have to be in a rush all the time.  :D

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: B-Man on May 06, 2009, 23:43:10

Pretty good for a first chapter. I enjoyed it overall. :)

Spoiler: Deeper review (click to show/hide)

First off, the things I didn't like so much.

The biggest bummer for me was losing the run power up once I got onto the mountain. That area was rather large and based on exploration, and I would have enjoyed the level a million times more if I could just run through it to find the keys. I actually ended up using the cheat to warp across screens I had already traveled across. Another thing I didn't like so much was the no climbing walls. I read earlier on this topic that you meant the one-tile-thick columns to be unclimbable, but that wasn't so easy to understand right away. I think that if you had added another type of visual cue (such as making the columns a slightly different color, or making visible ice on the sides), it would have been easier to understand what was climbable and what wasn't. The umbrella room code was also annoying to figure out, since I had to recall a hint I had heard twenty minutes earlier in a cutscene, all while an enemy was chasing me. Some additional hints right before the puzzle would have been a welcome addition, along with the removal of the enemy. Finally, the cutscenes were all awesome, and I enjoyed hearing voice acting from the forum members, but I would have enjoyed it if they were just a little bit shorter. The scenes ran a little long for my tastes, but that's just a personal preference.

Now that that's all out of the way, let's talk about the awesome stuff!

Playing the game in KS Advanced felt great, especially with the self-moving cutscenes and red flash of death. The dark tunnel with light around Juni and the one way jump platforms were also cool, and the secret area showcasing different KSA features was delightfully trippy. The voice acting was all interesting to hear (although a few characters were kinda quiet), and the story looks like it's going to be great. My favorite thing by far, though, was the music. It fit in very well and sounded beautiful. :)

Looking forwards to Chapter 2! :D

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Morendo on May 07, 2009, 00:44:10

Heyyyyy can I get some help?

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I need the code to get the umbrella

I don't wish to poke around in the editor and I was being ignorant earlier.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on May 07, 2009, 01:54:45

Updated.  I have fixed a few things, I will figure out a way to subtly give a hint to the umbrella password thingy, but give me some time, I got some other stuffs to do also :P .

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 07, 2009, 02:37:20

I just wanna say one thing about a level like this. A great KS mod comes along with such wonderful features. And this level takes every one of those and presents them in the most annoying way possible. Death from long falls, cutscenes going on without control, etc.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on May 07, 2009, 02:50:23

Quote from: Purple Pineapple on May 07, 2009, 02:37:20

I just wanna say one thing about a level like this. A great KS mod comes along with such wonderful features. And this level takes every one of those and presents them in the most annoying way possible. Death from long falls, cutscenes going on without control, etc.

Actually, you can skip the cutscenes, which is mentioned in the FAQ in Blox's post.  That was very detailed feedback, thanks for that :D .   <_<

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: special_d on May 07, 2009, 05:11:44

Man. Just barely gotten around to getting double jump without dying and I still got killed. This is certainly a challenge.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Strange Darkness on May 07, 2009, 10:03:15

Well as i see it someone has to complain bout something dont they? (im not saying everyone but as i read i see a few)
i actually quite liked the intro (more like loved it , the atmoshere and everything was very good) and i started playing and it was a nice way to start chapter one  C)p
(sure i can say some bad things but they are mainly bad because im not used to it [long death fall thing] )
(also i havent finished the level, ill give you a detailed report when i do XD)

i look foward on how Doden Vantar will continue and progress

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Klämrisk on May 07, 2009, 21:57:34

Downloaded.

Started playing.

 :shocked:

Realised it's awesomeness and will finish playing when I got some spare time on my hands.

With other words, Great job sir James!

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: lilmanjs16 on May 08, 2009, 00:49:55

I can say that this level is presented very nicely and has a great theme. I can't wait for the other chapters.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 08, 2009, 01:28:16

I take it back. This level is awesmoe. Except I'm stuck.

Was I supposed to go down the tunnels before this point?

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on May 08, 2009, 02:09:28

You need the umbrella, you must go back up and then to the right to get to the umbrella puzzle.

Spoiler: Puzzle Solution (click to show/hide)

People say it is annoying to do this, so, I'll just give every one the password.  The first one you don't touch, the second one you hit four times, the third one you hit nine times, the last one just jump on until it opens the gate.

I am glad everyone is liking it!  I will try to work on the bad points in CH 2, so I dont annoy too many people XD .  There is no walking in CH 2 just to let you all know :P .  I wont promise that there wont be anymore walking throughout DV, but I can assure you that there will indeed be more running in the next installments.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 08, 2009, 02:18:09

Quote from: EarthBound015 on May 08, 2009, 02:09:28

Spoiler: Puzzle Solution (click to show/hide)

People say it is annoying to do this, so, I'll just give every one the password.  The first one you don't touch, the second one you hit four times, the third one you hit nine times, the last one just jump on until it opens the gate.

Are you saying you originally had to guess the code?!
If so, I can take that in Afar. But not a four digit code.

EDIT: Also, shouldn't the red lava drops be deadly?
And also, I got the umbrella before the blue key :D

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on May 08, 2009, 03:20:46

Doesn't matter if you get the blue key after you get the umbrella, it all works out in the end :P .  Maybe the red drips are just run off from all the fumes rising to the top of the ceiling :D

No, you didn't have to guess per say, there was a hint in the old man cutscene, but I was told you'd have to really think half-witted to understand it...

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 08, 2009, 04:22:02

Oh dear. Went looking for the purple key, fell into (what I assume is) a void, and ended up in (what I assume is) a secret area.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Teper on May 08, 2009, 06:32:16

Sorry, this level didn't hooked me. I first thought the introduction was terribly long, (also perhaps having written subtitles would be a good idea :)). then I got to this void where I fall and then die directly. This game probably have many qualities but I didn't had any patience tonight.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Mr. Monkey on May 08, 2009, 06:35:34

@Purple Pineapple:
1) I reported that series of bugs, but they were ignored due to pressing to release and not being in the normal playthrough :/
2) There are no keys in the beginning area, anyway :P

@Teper:
1) There used to be subtitles, but they were taking too long to coordinate with the audio
2) Make sure KSA is in the same folder as KS

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 08, 2009, 06:53:04

Quote from: Mr. Monkey on May 08, 2009, 06:35:34

@Purple Pineapple:
1) I reported that series of bugs, but they were ignored due to pressing to release and not being in the normal playthrough :/

Were they in a pm or something, 'cause I didn't see them. Or is there another thread?

Quote from: Mr. Monkey on May 08, 2009, 06:35:34

2) There are no keys in the beginning area, anyway :P

After making about five loops through the level, I was desperate.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Vinterrun on May 08, 2009, 12:01:57

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Puzzle Solution (click to show/hide)
People say it is annoying to do this, so, I'll just give every one the password.  The first one you don't touch, the second one you hit four times, the third one you hit nine times, the last one just jump on until it opens the gate.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Uhm maybe I`m just stupid but it doesn`t work. If I hit the third one nine times the switch is back at the very beginning. =/

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: BloxMaster on May 08, 2009, 12:07:03

Spoiler: The code (click to show/hide)

0,3,8,6
The numbers means the number of times you press the switch.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on May 08, 2009, 14:07:08

Quote from: Purple Pineapple on May 08, 2009, 04:22:02

Oh dear. Went looking for the purple key, fell into (what I assume is) a void, and ended up in (what I assume is) a secret area.

That should be fixed in the newer DL.  You will not be able to go back at all.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Vinterrun on May 08, 2009, 14:25:57

TY =D

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: utherdoul on May 08, 2009, 17:56:10

Well I kind of liked this, but not as much as I wanted to. Here's why:

I wasn't too keen on using a mod, but I tried it anyway and my biases were unjustified - Blox has done a great job, and it seems this is the first (only?) level to make use of the new features and does it quite well. There are decent cutom objects, such as the save points which make this seem a little more separate from the normal KS style... more arcadey. The music is much better than I expected after reading comments here, too. The overall level design (the mazey caves, etc) seem to work well - I didn't mind the long death-drop and being chased during the umbrella code parts (though I did peek in the editor for the code - if there was a hint, I totally missed it).

However, the overall atmosphere was pretty bland, mainly because of the limited and equally bland tilesets. It just didn't have any visual appeal for me at all, which is a shame, because it has so much potential with the snow and ice. It just didn't deliver. I appreciate that it is meant to be empty and a metaphor for sadness or whatever, but that doesn't mean it can't still be pretty!

Also, and I might get flamed for this, but the voice acting just didn't really work for me. I know this is probably the main feature of this level for most people, but I didn't feel it fitted in with the KS ethos - the acting itself is pretty good, especially considering its amateur voice acting (which is in some ways more difficult than 'normal' acting), but KS works better when the creatures / knytt aren't humanised too much.

Connected to this is the cutscene length. I know, I know, we can skip it if we bother reading the forum or KSA documentation (which most don't, it seems), but to get any semblance of plot, we have to trawl through these too-long scenes and listen to a storyline that just didn't grab me.

Now I might seem too negative here, but the fact is I did complete the level and I did enjoy it throughout (despite sighing pointedly during the cutscenes). So I eagerly await the next installment. I hope you take on my criticism and don't take offense.

Good luck with the next chapter!

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on May 08, 2009, 18:07:13

I dont take offense :D .  You actually took time out to play the full level and give me a nice detailed report on the things you did and did not like, and that is appreciated.  I wanted to make it as un "pretty" as possible, I wanted you to look at it, and see nothing special, the area isn't supposed to be special in any way other than giving you a bland unappealing feeling.  Why?  Because sadness isn't an appealing thing, I am trying my best to get you to feel exactly what Aden is feeling as she progresses through each area.  I understand that isn't something I should WANT to do, making something unappealing, but it is something I must do for certain areas, :P . 

I like as much story as I can put in to anything.  If you've played Scarlet Tears, you may understand that more XD .  Sure, the game play is a big part of any game, but I really love when the story is the main part of it, when I cant wait to get to the next part just to hear the continuation of the plot. 

But as I've stated before, thank you very much for you detailed comments, and I hope to hear from you again when Chapter 2 comes out!

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: drwright on May 08, 2009, 18:29:10

Hi! Where is the purple key? I cannot continue and I cannot find it. Thank you!

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: 4a on May 08, 2009, 20:43:43

Quote from: utherdoul on May 08, 2009, 17:56:10

Also, and I might get flamed for this, but the voice acting just didn't really work for me. I know this is probably the main feature of this level for most people, but I didn't feel it fitted in with the KS ethos - the acting itself is pretty good, especially considering its amateur voice acting (which is in some ways more difficult than 'normal' acting), but KS works better when the creatures / knytt aren't humanised too much.

I didn't have the same issue with the humanization, although it did seem really... out of place... but one thing that particularly bothered me was that the voice acting seemed a little inconsistent at times. People seemed to sometimes be at differing volumes, to be specific. Also one guy kept clicking and that was so annoying. 9_9

On that note, I think there ought to be some way of knowing WHO is talking. I could get Aden, but who is everyone else? I don't recall anyone being referred to by name... and if you don't do that in the first chapter, why would you do it in any other chapter?

Quote from: EarthBound015 on May 08, 2009, 18:07:13

I like as much story as I can put in to anything.  If you've played Scarlet Tears, you may understand that more XD .  Sure, the game play is a big part of any game, but I really love when the story is the main part of it, when I cant wait to get to the next part just to hear the continuation of the plot. 

This confuses me. Where was the plot?
Most of the game was running around trying to figure out where to go and avoiding inconveniently-placed hazards.
There were three cutscenes I think. They were long, yes, but they didn't really explain all that much. I can understand trying to be all cryptic and junk, but too much of that makes the player lose interest rather than be held in suspense.

If you're going to focus on story, then I think this definitely shouldn't be a "very hard" level. What would've maybe added to the story rather than challenge would be some people to talk to. Yeah, why not use some text blocks? Or if you must have everyone TALK then you could use shifts or something with voices, I've seen that before.
Not saying it's bad, but yeah.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on May 08, 2009, 23:58:50

I know what you mean, but we all have different writing techniques :D  Why do you need to know who everyone is in the first chapter anyways?  Nothing is really going on yet, other than two people talking, Blake and Alexi, who were called by name :P .  You have no idea what is going on because Aden has no idea what is going on.  You've heard more than Aden, seeing as how she didn't hear Blake and Alexi talking to each other, but none of that really seems to make sense.  Why reveal the main plot in the first chapter when all is needed is an introduction to the series itself?  I have no idea how long this will run, I want to fit as much in the next chapters as I can, but that doesn't mean that each chapter will always be full of plot, there are other things that happen within a story, not everything is based off of one person, or even two.  I would add subtitles, but that, takes forever.  Every word would have to be timed and be exact at when each person is talking and done talking.  Also, I dont think it would matter the difficulty of a level, there are plenty of games out there that are hard and have a great story, so, you may have to be able to do some "advanced" stuff, but that in itself wouldn't take away from the story, it may, however, take away from SOME people's interest in the level series, but I am willing to do that if it indeed makes creating this whole thing much more fun for me.  Sure, I get a kick out of people liking the stuff I make, but that doesn't mean that I create anything for them, it is more for me, if I'm not having fun making it, why should I continue it?

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Miss Paula on May 09, 2009, 00:29:20

how about just releasing a transscript of what's being said per cutscene/chapter? so people who didn't get what was going on can at least go and read it back and try to make some sense out of it.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on May 09, 2009, 00:36:10

It is actually in the folder itself already :] .  It is named DVWP. 

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 09, 2009, 01:25:42

Quote from: drwright on May 08, 2009, 18:29:10

Hi! Where is the purple key? I cannot continue and I cannot find it. Thank you!

Ditto, AND... how do I get out of here?
Oh. That's how. Another void.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: MilkMan on May 09, 2009, 12:52:43

Spoiler: quote (click to show/hide)

Quote from: EarthBound015 on May 06, 2009, 21:19:27

Quote from: MilkMan on May 06, 2009, 14:30:04

cool but not very scary :/ i got to say that i got bored of walking (!!!) around and not knowing where to go :oops:

This is the first Chapter :D .  Think of this more like a book, or even a movie.  Most things dont just start out with everything right there for you.  I wouldn't want to open a book and have everything laid out for me in Chapter One, I expect it to be kind of slow going. 

But I can understand if you expected more out of it in general, just be assured that the next Chapter will be much longer.  In fact, I have already made 100 screens and am not even close to finishing the level design itself.  Everything I've made up until now has been EXTREMELY linear, this is my first go at a level where you have to find out where to go.  So, I will learn more as I go! :D

It took me almost two weeks to finish Nifflas' "The Machine", now, I can beat it no problem, 'cause I know where to go.  If everything was told to you in The Machine, it wouldn't of been as fun.  Just explore, so what if you're walking, you don't have to be in a rush all the time.  :D

the thing is, walking! XD i would have had more fun running. But i can see the work put into theis level and if you can bare the walking (i cant, i'll just blame it on that i have trouble concentrating) im sure the level is awesome! :) I promise i will try out the next chapter too! ;)

edit: why is this in a spoiler too? :/
[mod]because you wrote [spoiler] where you should have written [/spoiler]. ;)

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: special_d on May 10, 2009, 00:44:53

Seriously, how do you get the purple key?

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on May 10, 2009, 00:57:02

 give me a little time and I will upload a picture in a spoiler :D .

Edit: There ya go.  I think you can figure it out from there.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k240/earthbound015/thisway.png?t=1241910229)

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 10, 2009, 06:03:22

Funny. I can't find that part.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Klämrisk on May 10, 2009, 17:24:55

How is the umbrella challenge even possible?

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Not the one about the code, but the one afterwards with the lava.

Edit: Don't worry, I made it....

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Dynamite on May 11, 2009, 12:46:06

Any screenshots?

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: drwright on May 11, 2009, 17:45:37

Quote from: EarthBound015 on May 10, 2009, 00:57:02

give me a little time and I will upload a picture in a spoiler :D .

Edit: There ya go.  I think you can figure it out from there.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k240/earthbound015/thisway.png?t=1241910229)

No, there is an invisible wall and a looping screen there...
nvm, I was on the wrong screen, had to use the editor to find it...

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: StaticRomantic on May 11, 2009, 18:26:37

As far as voice acting goes, they really need to have Equalizers put on them. Some are way louder than others.
Still playing the rest of the level, will get back once I finish ;)

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: oebchen on May 11, 2009, 19:57:32

Quote from: JC Grim the 'crete reaper on May 05, 2009, 23:28:48

Quote from: drwright on May 05, 2009, 23:12:42

Hi, this is a very interesting level but I had no idea what was going on. I got to an area, without cheating, where there was a

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

red key and I could not get out

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

You'll have to manually kill yourself to get out (Ctrl+R), and look for the other key. That is what I did.

Apart from drwright, am I the only one who has this problem? :oops: I've played through the level several times now, paying special attention to secrets and to exploring each and every path I could find, but I just can't figure out where to go from there - it's almost as if a powerup was missing or something (I have the climb and the highjump powerup). Other than that, I liked the level (up to that point, that is) - the atmosphere comes along very strongly, which is mainly because of your great choice of music! :D I'd really like to continue with the level, if only I got a good (and maybe a little more concrete) hint... :oops:

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on May 11, 2009, 20:54:39

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

That, m'friend, is a secret down there, if you make it down and dont have all of the keys, then, you will have to kill yourself, which you would use Ctrl+R.  There are four keys, all hidden around, three of them are pretty easy to find, the last one is a bit hard, but I'm sure you'll find it with the help of the screen shot up the topic a bit.

Quote from: Dynamite on May 11, 2009, 12:46:06

Any screenshots?

Not in this topic, no.  There are some in the preview topic if you are interested. :P

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: oebchen on May 11, 2009, 21:04:38

Okay, I'll have to give it another try then... ;)

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 12, 2009, 00:29:10

Should've realised you had to go there. (Yes. I ust now found the screen from this (http://nifflas.ni2.se/forum/index.php?topic=762.msg7397#msg7397) post.)

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on May 12, 2009, 01:51:00

:D But doesn't it feel good to find it pretty much by yourself?  XD 

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Rixanu on May 12, 2009, 02:24:38

Spoiler: Long Review (click to show/hide)

Frankly, I'm a little disappointed. The first thing I noticed when I started the level was that the cutscenes were very long, and I could barely hear some of the voices, while some were a bit loud. The voice acting itself, however, was very good, especially compared to some other games I've played. Once I got into the gameplay, I loved the environment of the first area, and the music was excellent. It took a bit of exploration (which is good), but I found the wall climb and proceeded to the mountain. The first scene there was alright, I heard it well. The second one, however, had some issues. I couldn't hear the old man very well, so I missed the password hint. I ended up looking in the editor for the code. Now, to the environment. I liked the mountain at first, the clouds were a nice touch. And again, excellent music. However, running through the same place for so long, without run, no less, got incredibly tedious and boring. I believe you had said something about how the exploration factor in levels like "The Machine" adds more fun to the game. However, I think the thing that sets your level apart from that is that the environment is the same throughout. In "The Machine" there were several diverse areas that always added something extra to look at, to suck the player back in, and I think that's the key in successful exploration-based levels. However, I can understand that you're going for a feeling of sadness, and it's probably hard to mix "diverse" and "sad" into the same level. Don't get me wrong, the environment conveyed Aden's sadness very well, but it just got old fast for me. A little bit more nitpicking, bear with me. The one-column-no-climb thing bugged me to no end. Ice on the walls would look so much better. Finally, I can't quite remember where or how, but I ended up in the secret area randomly a couple of times, which confused me a lot. Once I figured it out, I enjoyed it. (poor Juni) This level does have some to be desired, but I'm looking forward to further installments.
Overall:7/10

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on May 12, 2009, 21:30:44

Sorry to hear the disappointment :\ .  This is the first time I've ever done mastering like this, I was hoping someone would have stepped up to help me with it, but I am indeed new to this and am learning as I go along :\ .  I'm hoping to have all the skills down and having CH 2 sound and feel a lot better better.  My testers have already said they like chapter two's level design more and all around look is more appealing, so hopefully you will all feel the same.  I've got quite a bit more level designing to do for CH 2, but hopefully, everything will play better, sound better, not be boring, or any of those things.  If you come across how you fell into the secret area, give me a screenie and I will indeed fix that :D .  Unfortunately, you will have to get used to some long cut scenes, especially the intros, but I will work on having at least more cut scene art in the next chapters to keep the boredom at bay :P .  Thank you for taking the time to let me know how you feel!  :D

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Bored2death on May 24, 2009, 08:15:52

Awesome level... Awesome effects... awesome... everything! Just out of curiosity, are we (other knytt level makers) allowed to use any of those things?

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 24, 2009, 08:21:55

Currently you aren't, but you could ask EarthBound. (Also, it's Kyntt stories level makers.)

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on May 25, 2009, 20:43:07

You can use KSA :D XD .  I'd rather the tilesets stayed in this level itself until the series is complete.  But there are tilesets used that are up for grabs, just dont use the ones that were made specifically for this :D

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Evil on May 31, 2009, 01:29:12

Ms. Paula sounded funny

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 31, 2009, 04:17:58

So did... who was that? Blox?

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: 4a on June 03, 2009, 19:47:00

In that one place I think that might've been BloxMaster and Mr. Monkey or something.
Miss Paula did sound ...not like how I expected. But then that probably applies to all the actors--especially KG! Creepy! :O

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Evil on June 03, 2009, 21:28:45

It's weird to hear someone that has so much power suffering (`)w(`)

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Dandelion on June 04, 2009, 03:48:45

Quote from: EarthBound015 on May 25, 2009, 20:43:07

I'd rather the tilesets stayed in this level itself until the series is complete.

Since you abandoned chapter 2 to take care of your baby, does that mean the tilesets are public now, or do you want to keep them?

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: LightningEagle on June 10, 2009, 00:17:38

Hmm.. I'm stuck here *see attachment*

I can't seem to make that jump succeed. And to the left it is surely impossible. :(

Am I stuck or do I suck... at jumping?

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Purple Pineapple on June 10, 2009, 01:53:55

That's pixel perfect jumping. You'll get it on your 100^th try.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: LightningEagle on June 10, 2009, 10:43:00

Quote from: Purple Pineapple on June 10, 2009, 01:53:55

That's pixel perfect jumping. You'll get it on your 100^th try.

Well.. only 50 to go then..  :/

EDIT: hmm... apparently I had already tried ~95 times.  :O
Anyhow, thanks  :)

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: LightningEagle on June 10, 2009, 11:32:45

Sorry for double posting

Is this intentionally?  :shocked:

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Purple Pineapple on June 11, 2009, 01:25:19

Yes. But it is annoying. (I'm assuming you're in the secret)

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: LightningEagle on June 11, 2009, 10:10:17

Quote from: Purple Pineapple on June 11, 2009, 01:25:19

Yes. But it is annoying. (I'm assuming you're in the secret)

I'm not sure it's a secret.
It's the map located 1 above and 1 to the right of the map containing the purple key. :/

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on June 11, 2009, 19:19:11

XD That is a bug, and I'm sure Mr. Monkey will be around and say something like, "You know, if you had just waited and let me finish my testing, that would have been caught." :P And I'll say, "You're right, I'm stubborn and wanted to finally get this thing released, but in doing so, I've screwed up a lot :P "

I dont think I'll ever released a fixed version, but we'll see, there might be other bugs, so if they pile up, I'll go ahead and fix 'em :D

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: LightningEagle on June 11, 2009, 22:06:14

Make a list. Each time you reach bug number 25.. release a fix. :O
I'm sure it wouldn't be too often.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: TechnoGeek on June 12, 2009, 02:50:45

Quote from: LightningEagle on June 10, 2009, 11:32:45

Sorry for double posting

Is this intentionally?  :shocked:

another thing that's interesting about that is that it loops forever in all directions XD

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on June 12, 2009, 04:25:10

And that would be because I replaced Tileset 0 with that XD

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Bored2death on June 12, 2009, 06:00:07

 :whoa: You guys are cruel... looping forever in all directions... I hated that!!! How could anyone be so cruel??????

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Lucifuga on June 13, 2009, 19:15:07

I find it amazing that some people can come up with such deep stories to such a simple game. This is just mind-blowing.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Purple Pineapple on June 13, 2009, 19:36:46

Technically, this game isn't all that simple, and KSA advanced adds even more.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Lucifuga on June 13, 2009, 20:02:42

I'm stuck at the beginning...I feel stupid.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I just made it across the sticky platforms(you can't walk on them) and down to the left where Red Key was. From there I can go down, but I need Yellow and Green Key to proceed further. I can't climb the wall back up because it's unclimbable. I tried restarting at last save but I can't jump back across the sticky platforms.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Purple Pineapple on June 13, 2009, 21:31:49

Do you have double jump?

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on June 13, 2009, 22:15:34

Quote from: Lucifuga on June 13, 2009, 20:02:42

I'm stuck at the beginning...I feel stupid.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I just made it across the sticky platforms(you can't walk on them) and down to the left where Red Key was. From there I can go down, but I need Yellow and Green Key to proceed further. I can't climb the wall back up because it's unclimbable. I tried restarting at last save but I can't jump back across the sticky platforms.

You've got to jump to the right, don't go down to the red key just yet.  You'll have to jump on the small white balls that look a tad like snow flakes to get across.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Purple Pineapple on June 14, 2009, 02:16:16

Oh, the hell ravine place.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Lucifuga on June 15, 2009, 16:08:59

Can not figure this part out...

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2784/how.png)

Edit: Oh wait..Nevermind...

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Shawnachu on June 15, 2009, 16:53:22

I'm gonna feel stupid...

But where's the umbrella?

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Purple Pineapple on June 15, 2009, 17:53:44

Across this (http://nifflas.ni2.se/forum/index.php?topic=762.msg10533#msg10533) jump, in the room to the right.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Mr. Monkey on June 16, 2009, 09:14:08

I prefer taking a certain underground passage, rather than attempting that jump, myself. ;)

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Purple Pineapple on June 16, 2009, 19:26:01

Oh.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Is it the passage where you have to do all the fancy stuff with the switches?

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Mr. Monkey on June 16, 2009, 23:30:51

Yes

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Dynamite on June 18, 2009, 11:59:43

Yet another project I wish I always involved with...
Looks good!  :D
*downloading*

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Comhon on July 02, 2009, 17:35:31

I really enjoyed this level. It is ...hmm... different and 'little' spooky.
This level is very good demonstration of KS Advacend.

Graphic:
The graphic side is very interesting. I enjoyed the land in winter. The KS Advacend abilites are very good. I liked all of them. The clouds and snow is very good used, too.

Music:
What I can say? Pretty good. All music was fit to the graphic.

Playability:
It was VERY nice. I enjoyed the KSA abilites here too.

Why am I writing in past time?
Because I am REALLY looking foward to next part of this level.
Keep working!
Theese Knytt Stories levels will be AMAZING and AWESOME! 

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: TechnoGeek on July 17, 2009, 18:10:34

Quote from: Comhon on July 02, 2009, 17:35:31

Why am I writing in past time?
Because I am REALLY looking foward to next part of this level.
Keep working!
Theese Knytt Stories levels will be AMAZING and AWESOME! 

Actually, i think EarthBound has already ended work on this series :sad: but it was a good level

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: AhhCobras on July 25, 2009, 00:34:48

Quote from: TechnoGeek on July 17, 2009, 18:10:34

Actually, i think EarthBound has already ended work on this series :sad: but it was a good level

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! I just got it, it looks/sounds so amazing! The girl, Aiden?, is kind of off-putting in the cutscenes though. Doesn't really fit the rest of the art, but everything else so far looks awesome.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: theiza27 on July 27, 2009, 08:45:27

ok how do u install this onto ksa? i have ksa working... and i extracted DV into my ks file where i keep everything else... is there a special install i have to do? i can't see a .knytt or .bin file to drag onto the install screen... wut am i missing?

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Bored2death on July 27, 2009, 08:51:02

Quote from: theiza27 on July 27, 2009, 08:45:27

ok how do u install this onto ksa? i have ksa working... and i extracted DV into my ks file where i keep everything else... is there a special install i have to do? i can't see a .knytt or .bin file to drag onto the install screen... wut am i missing?

Does it work if you use the "browse" feature? I've never used the click and drop method, but I've always gotten the levels properly installed...

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: theiza27 on July 27, 2009, 09:10:38

i tried browse... but the only thing i can think to use in the DV file is map.bin... which then tells me its a corrupted file... nothing extracted from the zip and listed along with my other levels... so i'm just completely lost ::sigh::

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Bored2death on July 27, 2009, 09:30:00

Oh yeah! I remember now! Just drag the folder into your worlds folder! He didn't compress it as a knytt bin.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: kaizoman666 on July 29, 2009, 14:32:24

Heres something I noticed: In the blue mountains area (with the moving cloud sky), in one of the caves theres a switch puzzle thing. After pulling the first switch, leave the screen and come back. You'll end up in a void screen (Mike Terry screen). And also, I'm lost at the point after the crazy Mike Terry drug trip.

And for that matter, how do I use the rainbow save points? They don't seem to work for me.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Xlavicted on July 29, 2009, 17:03:36

Gah, how do I put it in my kyntt stories file and then play it

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: kaizoman666 on July 29, 2009, 17:45:59

Unzip the folder, open ONLY the first folder, copy the 2nd folder inside, and place it in the Knytt Stories "Worlds" folder. Then you should find it (only works in KSA).

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Xlavicted on July 29, 2009, 20:18:08

Thanks.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Bored2death on August 21, 2009, 04:48:10

What stuff are we allowed to use from this level? I like the custom objects and ambiance...

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: mcbpete on September 02, 2009, 16:23:36

Quote from: kaizoman666 on July 29, 2009, 14:32:24

And for that matter, how do I use the rainbow save points? They don't seem to work for me.

Have you got Knytt Stories Advanced installed ?

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: MrJabber on September 03, 2009, 01:09:05

... I am stuck... am I? ^^;

http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/030909010715_Errr....jpg

Help please. =D

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Purple Pineapple on September 03, 2009, 01:11:31

I think the answer you're looking for is right here. (http://nifflas.ni2.se/forum/index.php?topic=762.msg10533#msg10533)

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: MrJabber on September 03, 2009, 01:17:04

Wow thank you. =)

I played Xeia before this and didn't thought, they would put edge jumps like that into it. ^^;

Well I ll try it again... and again... aaaaaand again and so on...

Edit: Omg I did it on the fourth try... I hate it when the game makes a fool out of me like that. <___<

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: ErSorro on September 13, 2009, 03:00:37

The area after the keys is simply CAOTIC!!!

I'll wait for Chapter Two. Congratulations! 8)

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Purple Pineapple on September 13, 2009, 03:41:25

Spoilers! Spoilers! Spoilers!

Chapter two was abandoned. You can get it here. (http://nifflas.ni2.se/forum/index.php?topic=62.0)

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: ErSorro on September 14, 2009, 01:33:11

 :O

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: GrayFace on October 23, 2010, 12:01:35

Where do I get the codes for x1016y986?

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on October 29, 2010, 01:49:00

The code is as follows:

0,3,8,6

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: GrayFace on October 30, 2010, 17:59:59

Yes, I looked it up in the editor. I'm just wondering how can it be obtained in the level?

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on October 31, 2010, 20:14:43

A very subtle hint was in the cut scene with the Old  Man.  Its just that it was way too subtle and awful.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: SingingSurger on November 15, 2010, 02:02:26

I can't find out how to install it onto KS.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: GrayFace on November 15, 2010, 02:25:53

It's for KSA: http://nifflas.ni2.se/forum/index.php?topic=761.msg7008

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on November 18, 2010, 23:54:00

Maybe I'll change in up so it can be used in regular KS as well.  We'll see.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: SingingSurger on November 20, 2010, 21:06:27

I know it's for KSA. I have KSA.
I don't know how to install a FOLDER into KSA.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: sergiocornaga on November 21, 2010, 12:48:01

Just drop the folder inside the 'Worlds' folder.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Sergentpain on January 06, 2011, 21:37:39

I got very eager to try this level when I read the description only to find out that none of the links for it worked.
Would anyone be so kind as to upload the world file?
I'd greatly appreciate that!

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on January 08, 2011, 02:40:26

Re-uploaded with the inclusion of KSA as well.  Enjoy, m'friend.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: Paranoid on January 20, 2011, 02:13:37

Only problem I had with the topic is ...
ehrm ...
It has no ... screenies. *pleasedontslapme* :sad:
Anyways, I wanna try it out. :D

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on January 21, 2011, 06:56:48

Yeah, I understand.  I doubt I'll be posting any, though.  I think I used to just direct people to the "Development Showcase: topic for screenies.  I don't even know.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: seattalite on June 29, 2012, 07:25:43

How in the HECK do you skip the waaaaaay overly long intro and cutscenes!?!?

and if there isn't a way - they need to introduce one in the next release!

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: seattalite on June 29, 2012, 07:33:55

ok - i got it in the faq. ctrl-q. thanks.

Title: Re: [Challenge - Very Hard] - Doden Vantar: Chapter One: A Harsh Winter's Night
Post by: EarthBound015 on July 11, 2012, 19:53:23

Unfortunately, m'friend, there wont be another release happening.  You can play the slightly unfinished but finished "Lament".

http://nifflas.lpchip.nl/index.php?topic=1111.0 (http://nifflas.lpchip.nl/index.php?topic=1111.0)