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Title: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: real_TigerNDV on July 13, 2021, 03:04:37

Hey everyone, I'm back! After several weeks of hard work on my downtime, I present "My Friend Jerry" my most ambitious and epic map to date! Please let me know what you think and how you played this adventure!

Due to the scale and scope of this map there is more than likely several bugs, please let me know if you find any! Thanks for being an awesome community!

https://knyttlevels.com/levels/TigerNDV%20-%20My%20Friend%20Jerry.knytt.bin

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: Polana on July 13, 2021, 14:23:04

Cool level. I didn't notice any bugs, unless you count that trashbags where I already got coins are still glowing. I got to 5th ending, so I'll replay it eventually because I have no idea how to get to the first three endings.

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: real_TigerNDV on July 13, 2021, 18:53:44

Glad you enjoyed it, I had to allow the trash bags to work that way since I ran out of flags haha.

In terms of endings:
After trading an Umbrella, you have to meet the guy in Evlock Park (far East) and deny taking over his job at the Purple Shades club, this will lead you to endings 1, 2 and 3. (Ending 2 is my personal favorite)

For endings 4,5,6 they all occur at Lonwi Dam depending on where you go and what you have. If you enter the Tar Fields (Requires Master Keycode) then you'll have access to endings 5,6. If you enter past the blast doors you'll access ending 4.

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: Polana on July 14, 2021, 11:25:19

OK, I'll try it this way.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I liked how noirish the level felt with Juni doing both good and bad things and atmosphere of the doomed city. I thought more will come of the guy in the hat knowing about the kidnapped baby and that one of the endindgs will be Juni ending up in prison.

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: real_TigerNDV on July 15, 2021, 18:18:31

I had a bunch more ideas for endings and city events, the kidnapped child was one of those! But, as usual I started to run out of time and wanted to make sure I actually finished the map haha, I have so many unfinished maps on my drive that started to get too big.

I hope you enjoyed it, and I hope you try again for Ending 2 since it is by far the most epic in my opinion!

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: egomassive on July 16, 2021, 01:43:18

I'm enjoying the game. I've only done one play-through so far, but I wanted to mention that you can use coins for flag checks. I added that to KS+ sometime last year specifically for situations like this where the coins are hidden but have indicators.

Code: (example) [Select]

;This checks if you have coin 76, not if you have 76 coins.
[x1000y1009]
Flag(B)=Coin76
FlagWarpX(B)=1


Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: real_TigerNDV on July 16, 2021, 02:01:00

Thanks for giving the level a go! Which ending did you get?

On your note about coins, is this syntax hidden/unavailable from the editor UI and only possible via script?
Can I also Flag-on a coin via shift by editing the script in this way?

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: StraightFlame on July 16, 2021, 02:57:36

Wow. This sure was an experience.

Spoiler: Bugs i found (click to show/hide)

• If you enter some screens from above (e.g. x1013y993), you can reach the Sign objects near the top of said screens. This is most noticeable with x1015y993 which has an empty Sign B object there.
• If you buy the sewer key at Kimbits Donuts, the flag warps at x1011y989 and x1012y998 will work as if you got the key from the bully.
• At x1018y1019 and x1018y1020, you can go to the right and end up in ending 3 if you have the run, high jump, and umbrella powerups.
• x1007y1003 has its music set to 1.
• If you enter the Red Rooms before buying the run powerup, the player character's shoes will retroactively vanish from this plane of existence and someone else's jogging shoes will conveniently show up near the exit for you to steal.

I'd also bring up the wallswim stairs, but judging by the death objects there, you seem to be aware of those. Also, minor nitpick, but i was kinda disappointed when i tried to fight the older gentleman after improving my fighting skills, and ended up losing anyway.

Also,

Quote from: egomassive on July 16, 2021, 01:43:18

but I wanted to mention that you can use coins for flag checks. I added that to KS+ sometime last year specifically for situations like this where the coins are hidden but have indicators.

Does this mean we essentially have 100 more flags to work with now? If so, that's... insane.

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: real_TigerNDV on July 16, 2021, 03:14:23

Thanks for playing and all the great bug reports! Hope you enjoyed yourself, I'm also SUPER curious on that 100 flag potential... That seems insane(ly awesome), also what happens if the coins are spent?

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: egomassive on July 18, 2021, 06:14:48

I've now seen endings 4, 5, and 6.

About the coins:
Q: Does this mean we essentially have 100 more flags to work with now?
A: Yes

Q: Is this syntax hidden/unavailable from the editor UI and only possible via script?
A: You have to write it in. Since you choose conditions from a drop-down list there was no easy way to integrate this into the interface, aside from making that drop-down list really long.

Q: Can I also Flag-on a coin via shift by editing the script in this way?
A: No. However, you can use ShiftHide to activate a trigger which spawns a specific coin to the screen. Or, if the coin is given with a sign, then you can use SignTrig to spawn the coin. You can subtract from the total coins with ShiftCoin. You can also add to the total by using ShiftCoin with a negative value. Adding is an unintended behavior and may cause problems.

Q: What happens if the coins are spent?
A: Coin flag checks only check if the a specific coin has been collected. It doesn't care what the total is. There are 6 pieces of data that are tracked for coins. Four of them are numbers that track the collection of individual coins. In the save file they are seen as large decimal numbers, but internally they are treated as 25 bit storage bins. That's 100 bits for 100 coins. The other 2 values track your current coin total and how many have been spent.

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: pfrangip on July 19, 2021, 02:01:11

Wow, this level has a LOT going on! No endings yet, but I am enjoying playing around.

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: real_TigerNDV on July 19, 2021, 05:01:22

Glad to hear you're enjoying it so far, sometimes saying no to something that seems obvious can lead to a whole new chain of events! Excited to hear what ending you ultimately find!

Thanks Ego for all the notes, good to know!

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: SC on July 19, 2021, 05:33:08

So... I actually kinda like this level! I can tell you put a bunch of effort into it, and it shows. Although I've only got one ending so far, but before I (eventually) post my final thoughts on the level, I want to ask you a question: are there any music/tileset credits for the level anywhere? I didn't see any in the level folder or in the OP...

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: real_TigerNDV on July 19, 2021, 20:04:40

In terms of credits, all the Music is all free-use music I got from EpidemicSound via my partnership program.
The tilesets are mostly my own, with a mix of some pre-existing tiles that have been used in other levels, is this something I should be including in my levels? I figure most of the credits are self-contained in the tileset files themselves.

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: Purple Ink on July 22, 2021, 00:44:01

I really like this level. Haven't gotten all the endings yet but, man, this level is fun! I really like the art and music too. I've found a couple things like wallswims and such but not so much that it ruined the experience.

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: pfrangip on July 25, 2021, 16:16:37

You may be interested to know that Don Doli streamed this level a few nights ago on his twitch. He typically uploads these to youtube after the twitch stream, and you can also see live commentary by some other members of the KS community who watched him live here.  (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1096060642)

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: real_TigerNDV on July 29, 2021, 05:40:57

That sounds like fun, glad people seem to be enjoying the level despite it's bugs and flaws! I'll have to take a look asap!

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: PigeonVoyageur on August 09, 2021, 09:34:30

Interesting and unique take on an open world adventure as far as my experience on KS levels goes.

I'm a bit surprised to have managed to get ending 6 in one go given some of the choices.

But I guess because of the punky universe we are in, it should not come too much as a surprise.

Fun that you can rampage through trash again as if you would think that

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

someone would be dumb enough to leave more coins in after cleaning through.

Also since I'm a goody two shoes kind of person, I don't think I will try to go for other endings, because the child kidnapping was already special enough lol.

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: Polana on August 15, 2021, 12:49:29

So I got to the other endings... some of them were interesting.

Also, since there is no topic for Above the clouds, I would like to say here, that I really like the tilesets in it, the gameplay with only one savepoint not so much.

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: Purple Ink on August 16, 2021, 04:36:16

I have reviewed this level a bit more in-depth. Check here (https://nifflas.lp1.nl/index.php?topic=7284.msg75528#msg75528)

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: real_TigerNDV on August 18, 2021, 17:28:17

Purple Ink! Thank you for taking the time to write a full review, that's amazing, I'm glad you enjoyed the level!

@Polana Glad to hear you managed to find all the endings, that can be quite the effort! In terms of "Above the Clouds" I do not plan to start another thread for it, but I'm glad to liked the tilesets, I had a lot of fun making them too! The gameplay is definitely very untraditional, but I wanted to try something new in terms of level design, probably not something I'd do again!

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: GrayFace on October 15, 2021, 20:54:31

Something's wrong with flags or something.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I've chosen to deliver the package and did deliver it, but now I'm getting the "reject the package" offer from the enemy of that drug dealer. Also, I lost the pet in a fight and accepted help from a Sus Guy, but then he offered help once again (I didn't do his quest yet).

Also, the title of this thread (and others too) needs fixing - it has to include [KS+].

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: GrayFace on October 16, 2021, 14:23:39

I'm loving Above the Clouds. Would you mind me creating a topic for it? I'm stuck though.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I've gotten to heaven. Didn't find anything there, except the gates where celestial soul is required. I've filled my head with ancient knowledge by collecting golden creatures. Now I've no idea what to do. Ship also requires something I don't have.

Edit: Found out by checking the level:

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

After getting the knowledge, you need to talk to the guy to the left of camp.

Title: Re: My Friend Jerry [Easy/Puzzle/Misc] - TigerNDV
Post by: real_TigerNDV on October 20, 2021, 23:36:37

Go for it! I never got around to making a thread for it, but if you want to kick one off on my behalf I'd love that.