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Title: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on February 03, 2013, 15:04:36

After 15 months of on and off work and several subsequent patches over the years, I proudly present to all of you:

(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/034/8/8/cosmic_meltdown_title_screen_by_blahson256-d5topkz.png)

Featuring:

-A highly varied world to explore, from dry plains to deep forests, tall mountains, and so much more, drawn almost entirely by me!
-Non-standard music created by independent artists with their permission, as well as some public domain goodies!
-An in-depth, involving storyline which will possibly make you laugh and cry at moments, complete with branching conversation responses that you can make!
-A bushel of troll-faces!
-Loads of SECRETS, and I mean a TON!

Depending on the number of secrets you find, the difficulty will increase.  It starts at Hard, and as you progress in the secret zones, it gets harder until eventually reaching a few Lunatic challenges.

Download it here: Cosmic Meltdown 1.1.2_02 (https://www.mediafire.com/file/e02lbb9vte0851f/Fubaka_-_Cosmic_Meltdown_1.1.2_02.knytt.bin/file) (135 MB)

Thanks to everyone who helped me polish this level as much as possible over the years. I feel at this point the level is more yours than mine, so I hope you cherish it as such. As always, let me know if there are any remaining errors in the level, and I will fix them as soon as I can.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: ixMarcel on February 03, 2013, 18:41:16

This is one of best levels I've ever played  ;). Very big and epic adventure. Now, I can give You a  :hiddenstar:.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on February 03, 2013, 20:44:49

Quote from: ixMarcel on February 03, 2013, 18:41:16

This is one of best levels I've ever played  ;). Very big and epic adventure. Now, I can give You a  :hiddenstar:.

And I can give you a  :hiddenstar: for beta testing!

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Headgrinder on February 03, 2013, 21:31:07

OOO exciting!

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: SecretGlitch on February 04, 2013, 02:23:11

Pretty ambitious level, and the atmosphere is really great, though I wasn't too much a fan of some of the actual obstacles.

Found a wallswim:

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on February 04, 2013, 05:30:23

Quote from: SecretGlitch on February 04, 2013, 02:23:11

Pretty ambitious level, and the atmosphere is really great, though I wasn't too much a fan of some of the actual obstacles.

Found a wallswim:

Okay, I suppose if enough remaining mistakes like that are found, I'll release another version to correct them.  I do wish you'd be a little more specific about which obstacles you weren't much of a fan of.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Purple Ink on February 04, 2013, 12:46:15

Man am I glad this level is finally released! So much work into it and I really hope people enjoy and appreciate it. It's definitely worth hunting down secrets (if you're up for a challenge). There's a lot more to this level than you think on the first play-through.

Good luck everyone! You're going to need it. <_<

Quote from: SecretGlitch on February 04, 2013, 02:23:11

Found a wallswim:

Mind telling me how?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on February 04, 2013, 12:55:36

Quote from: Purple Ink on February 04, 2013, 12:46:15

Man am I glad this level is finally released! So much work into it and I really hope people enjoy and appreciate it. It's definitely worth hunting down secrets (if you're up for a challenge). There's a lot more to this level than you think on the first play-through.

Good luck everyone! You're going to need it. <_<

Quote from: SecretGlitch on February 04, 2013, 02:23:11

Found a wallswim:

Mind telling me how?

I know how.  He

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jumped into the pillar top from the top right of the other screen to the left.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Purple Ink on February 04, 2013, 12:57:45

Quote from: Fubaka on February 04, 2013, 12:55:36

I know how.  He

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jumped into the pillar top from the top right of the other screen to the left.

Hm, that's what I thought. Must not have done it right on my play-through(s).

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on February 04, 2013, 13:34:30

Okay, I have uploaded a new version.  The only real difference is that a few relatively small wallswims were fixed, so it isn't mandatory to download this new version if you have the old one still.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: SecretGlitch on February 04, 2013, 15:19:41

Quote from: Fubaka on February 04, 2013, 05:30:23

I do wish you'd be a little more specific about which obstacles you weren't much of a fan of.

It's the general use of the more random enemies that spit projectiles and the fact that often the obstacle is just overcoming single enemies at a time in a normal boring way. In a few areas I felt I died because of the randomness. Certainly some people have a higher tolerance than I to it.

Not to say that every obstacle wasn't of my taste, I especially liked the

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lasers in the ice area where you need to jump on their emitters to climb up, which made a simple obstacle seem threatening. I also liked a room in the forest where you had to taunt out the projectile from a ceiling spitter in between two trees, which was challenging to get right.

I saw a lot of potential in this level, and it certainly hooked me in for at least completing it, but I probably wouldn't have commented on the obstacles if there weren't some that I thought were really good. I can't say much negative on the other aspects of the level, as there were enough save points, looked and sounded great, and the story was interesting. I suppose maybe the text boxes that use one too many lines looked awkward but that's it.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Polana on February 04, 2013, 16:00:39

I reached the good ending . I must say that it was sometimes too hard for me, especially the screen where you get hologram and screen with all those white flowers nearly behind it. I liked graphics and story, especially how did people in the village interact with each other. Juni is usually lonely wolf, so this put more originality into your level.

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I must avouch I looked in the level folder and some of the alternative endings were pretty fun. I hope I will be able to reach them by fair means one day.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Purple Ink on February 05, 2013, 01:28:04

Quote from: Polana on February 04, 2013, 16:00:39

I must say that it was sometimes too hard for me

You have no idea. <_<

Anyway, some spoilers! I finally found the biggest secret of all and ....

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Seriously, don't read this. You'll spoil it.

Image

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(http://oi48.tinypic.com/az9h20.jpg)

Comment

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OH MY! Fubaka's voice is god! <3 I honestly thought it was one of those professional voice-over people usually announcing some new film or whatnot at first. This secret was well worth finding! Good luck to anyone who tries to find it. Despite saying all of that, I'm speechless.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: MasterF on February 05, 2013, 15:22:57

Completed it!Have a :hiddenstar: !It was an epic story,with good music,and I like the talking mechanics you put into it.Most challenges were good,and never way too frustrating,although there were some generic "dodgethisandthatANDthat!" moments,some relied on bullethell.I completed it with only the yellow key.I don't like how I found it by randomly climbing into an invisible wall,though.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on February 05, 2013, 15:51:19

Quote from: MasterF on February 05, 2013, 15:22:57

Completed it!Have a :hiddenstar: !It was an epic story,with good music,and I like the talking mechanics you put into it.Most challenges were good,and never way too frustrating,although there were some generic "dodgethisandthatANDthat!" moments,some relied on bullethell.I completed it with only the yellow key.I don't like how I found it by randomly climbing into an invisible wall,though.

Well, I'm sure you have many more secrets to hunt for.  Your journey through this level has just begun!

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Headgrinder on February 05, 2013, 23:20:20

Just scratching the surface of this level, and enjoying it a lot.  Been a while sense I've played such an epic level, and this one has not been too hard so far, which I'm grateful for.  My rule is if I die 20 times at the same spot, I turn on the cheat, which I hate doing, but I haven't had to do this yet, so kudos to you.  XD  Very enjoyable.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Purple Ink on February 08, 2013, 09:46:32

Finally played through to the hardest normal ending (requires all four keys) and cool I'm in the credits. 8D

Anyone planning on doing a review for this level, since Fubaka obviously can't review his own level?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: CWolvie on February 08, 2013, 15:52:16

I must admit I am very surprised about this level. Good work. ;)

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: pfrangip on February 09, 2013, 17:05:40

Great level. Only got the yellow key on my first run-thru. I've a good idea of where the other keys were at.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Headgrinder on February 11, 2013, 03:37:42

Nice level.  I got pretty mad however when I choose the wrong ending and it saved my choice.  I have little time for knytting and now I have to replay everything just to see the other choices.  >:(  Great level otherwise.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: pfrangip on February 11, 2013, 03:50:18

Gotta say again this is a great level. I like the story and all the hidden stuff. I do wish some of the challenges were more challenging and less reliant on random chance but whatever.

Second time thru I realized I was completely wrong about where the other keys were and quit. Third time thru I got the

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eye and was surprised at how different of a game it was! But then I found a secret saying I should have two keys by now... except I have zero. Got fed up and looked at the editor and can STILL only find two keys total!

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: ixMarcel on February 11, 2013, 08:17:53

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Quote from: pfrangip on February 11, 2013, 03:50:18

Second time thru I realized I was completely wrong about where the other keys were and quit. Third time thru I got the eye and was surprised at how different of a game it was! But then I found a secret saying I should have two keys by now... except I have zero. Got fed up and looked at the editor and can STILL only find two keys total!

I had the same situation. These keys are hard to find...

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on February 11, 2013, 13:21:01

Quote from: pfrangip on February 11, 2013, 03:50:18

Gotta say again this is a great level. I like the story and all the hidden stuff. I do wish some of the challenges were more challenging and less reliant on random chance but whatever.

Second time thru I realized I was completely wrong about where the other keys were and quit. Third time thru I got the

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

eye and was surprised at how different of a game it was! But then I found a secret saying I should have two keys by now... except I have zero. Got fed up and looked at the editor and can STILL only find two keys total!

If you need help finding the keys, you can always ask me via PM.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: pfrangip on February 11, 2013, 18:13:56

Quote

If you need help finding the keys, you can always ask me via PM.

What, and admit that I'm inferior? Get nothing? Admit that I LOSE??? GOOD DAY SIR.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Purple Ink on February 17, 2013, 04:09:49

Are you guys getting the detector? It will help you track down those keys. Also, if you didn't play the tutorial at the beginning, you should. It gives some very subtle clues about how to find some certain secrets.

Quote from: Headgrinder on February 11, 2013, 03:37:42

Nice level.  I got pretty mad however when I choose the wrong ending and it saved my choice.  I have little time for knytting and now I have to replay everything just to see the other choices.  >:(  Great level otherwise.

I was a bit annoyed by this at first too. Then I realised the level is meant to be play-throughed multiple times from start to finish since it's pretty early on that the level changes based on secrets.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on February 18, 2013, 03:23:46

Update:  I have released another small update for the level, 1.0.2.  This new release adjusts a few save points, rearranges some tiles in the Silver Mountain Interior to curb wallswimming, and makes a few more minor changes.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Sleem on February 19, 2013, 13:36:35

I would like to point out that my playthrough of this level has been documented in the form of a Let's Play. Hopefully, this fact is not as insignificant as I suspect it might be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbM_IdJX9As

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: plural on February 21, 2013, 08:24:16

I played through the beta a while ago but I'm really interested in the way that there's dialogue options in spots now. I haven't played through this level fully yet but that was a really cool idea.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on February 21, 2013, 17:14:57

Update Again: I have released yet another update to the level, this one adding a few more screens near the beginning.  Let's just say the level won't kill you for making that foolish mistake anymore.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: egomassive on February 22, 2013, 02:19:17

You should really consider releasing update packages for those who already have an old version of the level. The simple way to do this is to remove the music and ambiance folders before compressing the level. 109 MB is a lot to download repeatedly.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on February 22, 2013, 02:22:34

Quote from: egomassive on February 22, 2013, 02:19:17

You should really consider releasing update packages for those who already have an old version of the level. The simple way to do this is to remove the music and ambiance folders before compressing the level. 109 MB is a lot to download repeatedly.

I suppose, though to be honest, for most people, downloading 109 MB isn't that big of a deal anymore.  It only takes my computer about 20 seconds to do it, and my connection is nothing special.  

However, if anyone needs me to do that, I'd be happy to send them an update package in the manner you describe.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Headgrinder on March 07, 2013, 12:27:42

This is a good story, and you handled everything quite well.  I did have to gave up trying to find all the endings: too hard and time consuming.  I also thought it would be longer, but it is more an epic story than epic length I think (compared to number of areas in The Machine for instance).

Is Basalt Woods tileset usable?  It so beautiful I'd really like to use it.  Below is my favorite screen by the way.  The way you used the darker waterfall to imply depth was brilliant.  I don't think I've seen that done before. 

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on March 07, 2013, 18:53:54

Quote from: Headgrinder on March 07, 2013, 12:27:42

This is a good story, and you handled everything quite well.  I did have to gave up trying to find all the endings: too hard and time consuming.  I also thought it would be longer, but it is more an epic story than epic length I think (compared to number of areas in The Machine for instance).

Is Basalt Woods tileset usable?  It so beautiful I'd really like to use it.  Below is my favorite screen by the way.  The way you used the darker waterfall to imply depth was brilliant.  I don't think I've seen that done before. 

To understand why it's epic length, you will need to hunt down one of the bigger game secrets.  To do this, you need to get all 4 keys and use them.  If you have to cheat to find this part of the game, then so be it.

Also, you may use any tileset in the level that doesn't say otherwise, and Basalt Woods is one of those you may use.  If you want to use the tilesets in there that mention being made specifically for Purple Ink, you will need to contact that user for permission.  I'm sure Purple Ink will let you do so if you ask.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Sleem on March 09, 2013, 23:03:13

I would like to announce the release of the first bonus video to my let's play of this level. Unlike my other videos, this one is an hour long, as I achieve a good ending. I still haven't managed to find any indication of the level being far longer than it appears. It seems assistance is required if I am ever to see it.

Anyway, here's the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZusNXLMxQfw

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Purple Ink on March 11, 2013, 13:00:52

Seems like a lot of people are missing out on the big secret! I hope Fubaka doesn't mind but here are some hints for anyone.

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Firstly, you need the eye. I won't say exactly where it is (unless you directly ask because you can't find it) but you'll find it with some good old fashion secret hunting. Once you have the eye, the alternate, more difficult path through the level will open. Along the way, you'll have to hunt down all four keys. Again, just make sure to check everywhere for secrets and you should be able to find them all. The detector really helps so make sure you grab that before you progress too far into the level. Once you have all four keys you can unlock the best normal ending and also get the big secret.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: KG on March 16, 2013, 02:54:06

Oh yeah so I looked at this level yesterday through the level composer, and this level is 1453 screens large, which I think makes it the largest finished level.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on March 16, 2013, 04:44:40

Quote from: KG on March 16, 2013, 02:54:06

Oh yeah so I looked at this level yesterday through the level composer, and this level is 1453 screens large, which I think makes it the largest finished level.

To top that off, most of those screens are unique, and I didn't even realize it!

Of course, KG here is going to one up me when his next level is released. :P

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on March 17, 2013, 04:38:13

I've got another update for you all, and this one makes quite a few minor changes to the game.  As such, it is jumping straight to 1.0.5.  I highly recommend you download this update, since it makes some considerable updates to the gameplay.

Changes:

• Changed and added some dialogs.
• Improved collision in Basalt Woods and other places.
• Modified some challenges and moved some save points around.
• Fixed some continuity mistakes.
• Fixed some shifts that didn't behave entirely well.
• Added a secret passageway in the Silver Mountain Summit, for players sick of the water channel on the harder path.

This might be the last update done to this level, unless some more glitches and problems crop up.  I'd say as it looks, the level is near flawless now.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: ConfusedWisdom on April 25, 2013, 22:29:28

I'm interested in playing this level, but the download link is broken.  Would someone be able to re-upload the level?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on April 26, 2013, 01:34:05

Quote from: ConfusedWisdom on April 25, 2013, 22:29:28

I'm interested in playing this level, but the download link is broken.  Would someone be able to re-upload the level?

I have fixed the link!  Download and enjoy!

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: ConfusedWisdom on April 26, 2013, 01:48:14

Quote from: Fubaka on April 26, 2013, 01:34:05

I have fixed the link!  Download and enjoy!

Still seems to be down.  I also tried logging into DA to see if it made a difference. (It didn't.  :()

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on April 26, 2013, 06:05:43

Quote from: ConfusedWisdom on April 26, 2013, 01:48:14

Quote from: Fubaka on April 26, 2013, 01:34:05

I have fixed the link!  Download and enjoy!

Still seems to be down.  I also tried logging into DA to see if it made a difference. (It didn't.  :()

That's very odd.  It was working for me earlier.  Hopefully I don't have to give up on this option.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: ConfusedWisdom on April 27, 2013, 06:51:38

Making sure it's not on my end, I tried three different browsers.  No luck with anything so far.

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(http://i.imgur.com/JbDtWzP.jpg)

Perhaps try Mega/Mediafire or something of the like? 

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on April 27, 2013, 14:27:05

Alright.  For the moment, it seems to be working again.  If it stops working by the time you try it again, I will try a different space provider.

Update:  DeviantArt has failed me for the last time.  I have changed the link to a Mediafire link.  It should work now.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Numberplay on June 02, 2013, 04:49:29

I fail at finding secrets. Only found the yellow key and the detector...

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I'm sure I would avoid Juni's death if I found more.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Pumpkinbot on July 24, 2013, 23:09:21

*looks at all the other comments*
Oh my.
Well this is gonna be embarassing...

The level -was- good, and the story is what kept me playing, but...the enemies are way too random to be able to get through on skill. It's entirely luck-based on many of the screens. :/

That's not to say I didn't enjoy it, I really did. I really liked the story, but  the randomness of the enemies made some screens completely luck-based.

I give this level a B/5. *nod*

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on July 25, 2013, 00:51:31

Quote from: Pumpkinbot on July 24, 2013, 23:09:21

*looks at all the other comments*
Oh my.
Well this is gonna be embarassing...

The level -was- good, and the story is what kept me playing, but...the enemies are way too random to be able to get through on skill. It's entirely luck-based on many of the screens. :/

That's not to say I didn't enjoy it, I really did. I really liked the story, but  the randomness of the enemies made some screens completely luck-based.

I give this level a B/5. *nod*

If you haven't found all the secrets, I highly suggest you do.  If you only played through the normal ending, you've really only completed 35% of the game.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Pumpkinbot on July 25, 2013, 06:44:42

Quote from: Fubaka on July 25, 2013, 00:51:31

Quote from: Pumpkinbot on July 24, 2013, 23:09:21

*looks at all the other comments*
Oh my.
Well this is gonna be embarassing...

The level -was- good, and the story is what kept me playing, but...the enemies are way too random to be able to get through on skill. It's entirely luck-based on many of the screens. :/

That's not to say I didn't enjoy it, I really did. I really liked the story, but  the randomness of the enemies made some screens completely luck-based.

I give this level a B/5. *nod*

If you haven't found all the secrets, I highly suggest you do.  If you only played through the normal ending, you've really only completed 35% of the game.

Well, it says the difficulty gets harder with each secret you collect, and I was raging at a few choice screens after my first secret. >.< It's a very good level, that's for sure! The story is great, the tilesets are all very stylized, and having to make a level of this sheer size is admirable! I thought of making something like this myself, once~

I just could -not- imagine how hard it is with all the secrets. xP Bit too tough for me, that's my only complaint, heh.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on July 25, 2013, 18:20:14

Well, take it at your own pace, and if you absolutely have to cheat, then so be it.  Better you see the whole game.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: KitamuraP on April 22, 2014, 07:57:07

Great level indeed! I spent all night on this without sleep, however I got stuck here since I get several abrupt teleports after telling the second mayor about the count down, and the teleports got me to middle of nowhere surrounded by endless white water, but I can see other people finish the level no problem?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on April 22, 2014, 15:26:19

Quote from: KitamuraP on April 22, 2014, 07:57:07

Great level indeed! I spent all night on this without sleep, however I got stuck here since I get several abrupt teleports after telling the second mayor about the count down, and the teleports got me to middle of nowhere surrounded by endless white water, but I can see other people finish the level no problem?

The umbrella helps here.  Look for places where it'll get you further.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Chrysophylax on July 31, 2014, 23:36:15

Fubaka, I'm confused. I got the red key, bringing my item total up to everything but the hologram and blue key. Where do I go next?


Edit: The passable wall to get back to the rest of the level wasn't working for me, possibly because I didn't have the red key at that point. I reached the ending, but I still didn't have the blue key. Is there some way (possibly involving God Mode) to go back to the appropriate area and get it? When ought I to have collected it?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on August 01, 2014, 02:33:40

Quote from: Chrysophylax on July 31, 2014, 23:36:15

Fubaka, I'm confused. I got the red key, bringing my item total up to everything but the hologram and blue key. Where do I go next?


Edit: The passable wall to get back to the rest of the level wasn't working for me, possibly because I didn't have the red key at that point. I reached the ending, but I still didn't have the blue key. Is there some way (possibly involving God Mode) to go back to the appropriate area and get it? When ought I to have collected it?

Without cheating, you cannot get the key without starting over.

The key is located

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

in the Basalt Woods, inside one of the trees.  You have to have taken the harder path to find it.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: the Jack on August 02, 2014, 22:40:59

Phew.

Well, this level (or as much as I've seen of it) is lovely, the story is engaging, the use of shifts to extend signs / dialogue -- and provide branching dialogue trees!! -- is brilliant (and must have been exhaustingly time-consuming), and the secrets are fun to find. :hiddenstar: for you!

Unfortunately, I got just far enough in to feel hooked on and immersed in the level ...before I ran hard up against a section too difficult for my LoCP-level skillz.  :sad:

Spoiler: Specifically, (click to show/hide)

I found the pre-game Secret Area (& I appreciated how unmistakably the secret areas were identified, hee), and got both the detector powerup and the ghost eye. I followed the instructions in the room where I got the ghost eye, and that was how I got stuck.

I have to agree with Pumpkinbot about the randomness of many of the enemies, and how much fun it isn't to have to have perfect reflexes and luck, especially when there are multiple screens like that between savepoints.

Ordinarily, with a level I've been enjoying this much until there's an abrupt spike in the difficulty curve, I'll just go into the editor and tweak the problem room or rooms so I can go back to playing properly. Since you specifically asked players to stay out of the editor, though, I've respected that. So, I have a few questions:

1) Should I give up on further backtracking re: the ghost eye (I'm presuming there's a powerup or some other reward on the far side of all those baddies) and just proceed into the mayor's house?

2) Can I get through the mayor's house without the backtracking, once I have the ghost eye?

3) Should I maybe start over (::cringe::) and avoid the ghost eye powerup?

4) Should I possibly give up on playing this level at all, unless (or until) you release a kinder, gentler version for players like me?

and

5) Are any of the animated custom objects and/or tilesets for public use? Because so many of them are so great! I'm particularly interested in using at least parts of the Wasteland sets, the Terminal Fields sets, and the Overgrown Fields set, which would work great in a level I'm working on...

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: egomassive on August 02, 2014, 23:44:58

@ The Jack: The easiest way to complete an adventure is to not pick up the eye. You'll only see a small fraction of the game's content, but frankly you've got to be a really good player to see it all.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on August 03, 2014, 01:28:30

Response to The Jack:

1: Obtaining the Eye puts you officially on the Harder Path.  If you want an easier game, do not collect it.  Of course, as Ego stated, most of the game's content can only be accessed through the harder path.

2: Once you have the eye, the Mayor's House is blocked off.  As it states, you must "Return to the caves".

3: (see 1)

4: I currently do not plan on releasing a peaceful version of this level.  My advice to you would be to hone your skills in KS by playing other levels.  Then, come back and see how this level feels again.

5: Yes.  You can use any of the tilesets in the level, except the ones that say you can't on them.  Also, the only CO that I would discourage you from using would be the one that is pictured in my avatar.  Unless you have a really cool idea with that particular CO, please do not use it.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Chrysophylax on August 03, 2014, 11:17:32

With regard to the hard version of the level, most of it relies on skill and persistence rather than insane reaction times. There are a couple of screens, however, that require fantastic reaction speeds and a possibly fast computer to be beaten. These can, however, be easily beaten by using cheat mode (ask Youtube), since this allows you to become invulnerable and to teleport to anywhere you can click on.

You are definitely better off opening a second file and beating the normal version first. I assure you that it is satisfactory in both challenge and plot.


If you do try to get the best ending, it is very important that you get all the keys; I only got three in my first attempt at the hard path and had to try again. For that reason, here are progressively more precise hints to where the keys can be found.

Spoiler: First hints (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Purple (click to show/hide)

The purple key can be found before leaving the first set of caves. It is available on both paths.

Spoiler: Blue (click to show/hide)

The blue key is in Basalt Woods.

Spoiler: Yellow (click to show/hide)

The yellow key is in the complex where Juni finds out what "Cosmic Meltdown" means. It might be available on both paths.

Spoiler: Red (click to show/hide)

The red key is in the interior of Silver Mountain.

Spoiler: Stronger hints (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Purple (click to show/hide)

The purple key is in the tower where you find the run power-up.

Spoiler: Blue (click to show/hide)

The blue key is inside one of the trees in Basalt Woods. Getting into the secret area is fairly forgiving, as it's lightly guarded and there's a savepoint very close by.

Spoiler: Yellow (click to show/hide)

Finding the yellow key requires poking around a lot in the computer room.

Spoiler: Red (click to show/hide)

The red key is incredibly hard to get without cheating. Poke around once you've beaten the umbrella-and-lasers Room of Despair.

Spoiler: Solutions (click to show/hide)

Spoiler: Purple (click to show/hide)

The purple key is accessed through screen x999y994, which is a mirror of x996y994, the screen with the run power-up. To acquire it, leave the room with the run power-up, SAVE, press the button, SAVE again, and return to the left. If you see a purple monster spitting homing balls, you're on the right screen. The entrance to the secret area is in the left wall; this secret area is the easiest, but remember to SAVE when you reach the key's platform. Ideally, you should be holding down when you cross the platform; I got killed as I picked up the key and didn't have a chance to save.

Spoiler: Blue (click to show/hide)

The blue key is accessed through screen x992y983, a small room with a spraying flying creature and a plant, immeidately after a room with an purple spider. SAVE, then drop into the square with the plant and run to the right €(the plant can't shoot very far up the tunnel). Reaching the savepoint in the room with the key is straightofrward. After you've SAVED, drop down into the tunnel and move to the right-hand end. Lure the left-most blue thingy into firing, then run past all the others and slide down the left wall of the area with the key. Shelter in the hole, then move up, wiat for the robots to stop and get to the key. Remember to SAVE immediately.

Spoiler: Yellow (click to show/hide)

The yellow key is accessed through screen x989y994, the top left corner of the room with the computer. The secret area is long (seven screens) and brutal, involving some very tight jumps (including a triangle jump) and two sections with grey spiked fliers and timer buttons (which you will probably want to cheat to get past). Open your umbrella as soon as you reach the screen after the purple spider and SAVE after you get the key. Fortunately you can warp out.

Spoiler: Red (click to show/hide)

The red key is accessed through screen x1034y960, which is x1038y960 with the lasers off. I'm not sure, but I think you are forced to go to the right screen to progress on the hard path. The red key is protected by what I consider to be the level's hardest screens, namely x1032/6y960 and x1034/8y960, both of which require such fast actions that I can't beat them fairly. [Edit: you need the high jump to get the key.] The entrance is low down on the right wall. The secret area is vertical and involves a climb wall under attack by red and green spiked homing enemies. Personally I think it is rather easier than the third secret area. Climb the left side of the column. At the top of the last screen with no enemies, jump left (entering the next screen) and back to the right, luring the red enemies far enough left for you to be able to pass them. On the next screen, wait at the bottom for a moment, drawing the red foes down too low to catch you when you climb up and jump around the right-most green enemy. The lasers on the next two screens can't hit you if you are clinging to the column; wait a little at the bottom of each screen and they aren't too hard to beat. The last screen again requires only a very brief wait for a path to clear, followed by a rapid escape. Remember to SAVE (twice) at the top. Getting down is non-trivial but can be managed with the umbrella by abusing the horizontally looping nature of the screens involved. SAVE again when you reach the bottom.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on August 03, 2014, 16:58:54

Quote from: Chrysophylax on August 03, 2014, 11:17:32

There are a couple of screens, however, that require fantastic reaction speeds and a possibly fast computer to be beaten.

Fast computer?  I've actually played and beaten this level on an old Windows 98 before. :P

Frame rate can be an issue sometimes, but if you have good timing, that won't matter most of the time when playing KS.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Chrysophylax on August 03, 2014, 20:44:42

I get input lag from changing screens a lot and it frequently kills me. I also sometimes get input lag from rapid opening and closing of the umbrella, and sometimes the game can't handle too many inputs at once (S+right+up, for example, can fail to lead to climbing on impact.)

I also maintain that hovering through a two-block-high gap covering more than half a screen while avoiding six vertical lasers goes WAY beyond lunatic.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Chrysophylax on August 03, 2014, 21:05:48

I just got to the four-keys ending! ...Wait, there's more?!

Fubaka, I have two questions. Firstly, what's the coordinate region for the post-game content? Secondly, why does the pillars section of x1032y960 seem harder than than the corresponding section of x1036y960?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on August 04, 2014, 00:30:07

Quote from: Chrysophylax on August 03, 2014, 20:44:42

I also maintain that hovering through a two-block-high gap covering more than half a screen while avoiding six vertical lasers goes WAY beyond lunatic.

Try playing Dark Sea 2 (http://nifflas.lpchip.nl/index.php?topic=5355.0), or any of SecretGlitch's other levels, then tell me what Lunatic is. :P

Quote from: Chrysophylax on August 03, 2014, 21:05:48

I just got to the four-keys ending! ...Wait, there's more?!

Fubaka, I have two questions. Firstly, what's the coordinate region for the post-game content? Secondly, why does the pillars section of x1032y960 seem harder than than the corresponding section of x1036y960?

Oh yes, there's more!

To find the coordinates for that, I would ask that you consult the World.ini file, so I don't have to post them here.  In fact, if you have any questions about the secret content from here, please PM it to me.

Well, considering that those two screens are exactly identical in obstacle content, sans the lasers in the first one, the difficulty probably only lies in the angle that you are tackling it from.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: the Jack on August 04, 2014, 12:27:47

Quote from: Chrysophylax on August 03, 2014, 20:44:42

I get input lag from changing screens a lot and it frequently kills me. I also sometimes get input lag from rapid opening and closing of the umbrella, and sometimes the game can't handle too many inputs at once (S+right+up, for example, can fail to lead to climbing on impact).

Hm. I sometimes get problem-causing input lag when changing screens in the middle of any kind of fast-twitch move. For me, at least, the issue is related to my use of KS+ and its single-pass render setting. In every case thus far, temporarily disabling the single-pass render setting gets rid of the screen-change lag for me...

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Chrysophylax on August 04, 2014, 22:02:20

Quote from: the Jack on August 04, 2014, 12:27:47

Hm. I sometimes get problem-causing input lag when changing screens in the middle of any kind of fast-twitch move. For me, at least, the issue is related to my use of KS+ and its single-pass render setting. In every case thus far, temporarily disabling the single-pass render setting gets rid of the screen-change lag for me...

Quote from: the Jack on August 04, 2014, 12:27:47

In every case thus far, temporarily disabling the single-pass render setting gets rid of the screen-change lag for me...

Quote from: the Jack on August 04, 2014, 12:27:47

gets rid of the screen-change lag for me...

MARRY ME!

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Chrysophylax on August 04, 2014, 22:10:13

Quote from: Fubaka on August 04, 2014, 00:30:07

Try playing Dark Sea 2 (http://nifflas.lpchip.nl/index.php?topic=5355.0), or any of SecretGlitch's other levels, then tell me what Lunatic is. :P

I beat Dark Sea for the second time a couple of days ago. No real problems. I'm a fair distance through Dark Sea II and Industrial Trap, and have done everything fairly except a couple of the more ludicrous timing challenges. I've beaten Candy Town, Advanced and Amidst the Clouds (which was problematic, but the other two are cakewalks). I am miserably stuck in Going Left, having encountered screens that seem impossible to beat by any means other than teleportation, even though I've examined them in the level editor. For a fairly long time I didn't play anything below Very Hard because they were no fun, and I'm much better now than I was then.

I reiterate: that room is simply not beatable unless you can act much, much faster than I can. I'll try it again with single-pass rendering off and see what I think then.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: egomassive on August 04, 2014, 22:50:26

Quote from: Chrysophylax on August 04, 2014, 22:10:13

I reiterate: that room is simply not beatable unless you can act much, much faster than I can. I'll try it again with single-pass rendering off and see what I think then.

I think I had to use the official KS 1.2.1 release to beat one of the challenges in this level. The performance difference with the single-pass rendering turned off is minute, but there is a difference.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Chrysophylax on August 04, 2014, 23:20:31

Quote from: Fubaka on August 04, 2014, 00:30:07

Well, considering that those two screens are exactly identical in obstacle content, sans the lasers in the first one, the difficulty probably only lies in the angle that you are tackling it from.

I attempted the pillars section of the ghostly version in both directions and had to cheat my way past, but I beat the lasers version on my first try. Either the shots are spreading wider, which seems unlikely, or I just got lucky, I guess.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Deformed Knee on November 22, 2014, 11:51:51

A pretty nice level

The bad ending was funny  X-P

When I got to the end of the level I fell into the normal ending by mistake, even though I had the yellow key. Then when I went back I found the game auto-saved at the ending, so I can't know if I missed something special... Very annoying... >(

In any case the level felt a bit linear, and I'm not sure I'd want to go back through everything trying to find a hidden secret...

Good aspects of the level were good atmosphere and a good story, and also the challenges were quite fun and not too hard. The difficulty was more like "hard" than "very hard". Although the level was quite fun, the story and the challenges didn't feel very original. It's all stuff we've kind of seen before.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on November 22, 2014, 17:18:16

Quote from: Deformed Knee on November 22, 2014, 11:51:51

A pretty nice level

The bad ending was funny  X-P

When I got to the end of the level I fell into the normal ending by mistake, even though I had the yellow key. Then when I went back I found the game auto-saved at the ending, so I can't know if I missed something special... Very annoying... >(

In any case the level felt a bit linear, and I'm not sure I'd want to go back through everything trying to find a hidden secret...

Good aspects of the level were good atmosphere and a good story, and also the challenges were quite fun and not too hard. The difficulty was more like "hard" than "very hard". Although the level was quite fun, the story and the challenges didn't feel very original. It's all stuff we've kind of seen before.

I suspect that if you are talking about the two choices you get at the end, one door is just open, and the other requires both the yellow and purple keys.  As far as I remember, there is no door in the normal run that only requires a yellow key.

Keep playing.  You may feel differently once you've found more secrets.  As I said to everyone else, the normal playthrough is only about 35% of the game's total content.

Throughout this thread is littered most of the hints for secret finding if you can't/don't want to find them yourself.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Mitorun on January 02, 2015, 12:56:07

I love finding secrets. Took the detector, purple key, eyes, hologram ... oops, I read that it is necessary at this point to have two keys. Start playing again, I find a blue key, I come to the same place ... oops, I only have one blue key! Remember where he lay purple key, pass the game again and the place can not see the secret passage. Hmm. Now find tips on the forum and will continue to pass.

Found wallswim (in the screenshot), when he got the eye and returns through cave need to talk to the little man - and when you rise up, leaving the wall.

P.S. Basalt Woods sumptuous.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on January 02, 2015, 18:33:20

Quote from: Mitorun on January 02, 2015, 12:56:07

I love finding secrets. Took the detector, purple key, eyes, hologram ... oops, I read that it is necessary at this point to have two keys. Start playing again, I find a blue key, I come to the same place ... oops, I only have one blue key! Remember where he lay purple key, pass the game again and the place can not see the secret passage. Hmm. Now find tips on the forum and will continue to pass.

Found wallswim (in the screenshot), when he got the eye and returns through cave need to talk to the little man - and when you rise up, leaving the wall.

P.S. Basalt Woods sumptuous.

Glad you're liking it so far!

If you are still having trouble finding the keys, don't hesitate to PM me and I'll give you a hint.

Also, just so you are aware, Juni is a woman, and so is the girl in the caves. :P

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Comhon on February 02, 2015, 15:36:05

For a very long time I haven't played Knytt Stories. Today I decided to give it a try again.
Firstly I wanted just to play A Strange Dream to remind myself old times. But I changed my mind and I picked this one.

I was sursprised. Everything I loved about Knytt Stories came back.

Beautiful story, wonderful artwork and nice music. The level design is just perfect.
It has a touching atmosphere, giving me feeling I have known from Nifflas's levels.

Great work. Thanks for your time you spend creating this level. Giving a  :hiddenstar:.

I really liked the challenges there. There were so many new ideas.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I liked the room with hologram, climbing on the trees in forest, and the stairway of green flowers at the end.
The challenges also have to be solved not only by your skills, but you have to think how to use powerups conveniently.

I definitelly will play it again to find secrets.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on February 02, 2015, 18:14:00

Quote from: Comhon on February 02, 2015, 15:36:05

For a very long time I haven't played Knytt Stories. Today I decided to give it a try again.
Firstly I wanted just to play A Strange Dream to remind myself old times. But I changed my mind and I picked this one.

I was sursprised. Everything I loved about Knytt Stories came back.

Beautiful story, wonderful artwork and nice music. The level design is just perfect.
It has a touching atmosphere, giving me feeling I have known from Nifflas's levels.

Great work. Thanks for your time you spend creating this level. Giving a  :hiddenstar:.

I really liked the challenges there. There were so many new ideas.

I definitelly will play it again to find secrets.

Thank you, and please do.  There is a great deal more to be discovered.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: scwizard on July 21, 2015, 04:07:25

What I can say about this level, which I can't really say about any other thus far, is that i was NOT able to play through it in one sitting.

First attempt. Got the bad ending.

Second attempt. Got a ways though the "very hard" path before I gave up and cheated on the tail end of things. Also I only got two keys.

Next up is the a legitimate four keys run. No cheats final destination. Then...

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

The real challenge will begin...

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: scwizard on July 21, 2015, 04:14:15

Actually I don't have anything to do tonight. Lets do this. Here's my timeline.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

9:15 Started game.
9:16 Entered cave.
9:18 Got climb and saved.
9:19 Got run and saved.
9:20 Exited cave.
9:20 Got secret detector and saved.
9:22 Got eye.
9:23 Entered caves.
9:28 Got purple key.
9:31 Entered spooky caves.
9:35 Talked to quest ghost.
9:41 Got to here, even though there wasn't a secret :(
(http://i.imgur.com/UbJWwir.png)
9:46 Got the blue key.
9:51 Got hologram.
9:53 Entered underground base.
9:56 Entered sunny forest.
9:57 Got double jump.
10:00 Entered underground base again.
10:02 Got umbrella.
10:08 Reached machine.
10:20 Got the yellow key.
10:26 Entered raining village.
10:27 Entered silver mountains.
10:29 Entered mountain caves.
10:32 Taunted by high jump.
10:34 Reached laser corridor (where I gave up last time)
11:04 I cheated a save point here, and it still took me half an hour and over 100 tries.
(http://i.imgur.com/dBhAdNG.png)
11:06 And the second save point to the button was 2 minutes -.- I might have gotten lucky though.
11:13 Got highjump.
11:15 Got red key. Wtf so easy compared to the laser corridor.
11:23 Beat the game???
11:32 Got umbrella

And that's enough for today.

Part of me wants to restart and try and tackle the laser corridor without cheating. But I don't think I will.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Miyako on July 22, 2015, 01:53:34

Playing this map on stream right now. ~ twitch.tv/ayu

Bugs/Wall Swims in spoilers.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

(http://puu.sh/j7Wm4/0ab9f912e1.png)

When entered running east then quickly turning west will cause a wall swim.

(http://puu.sh/j7Wvu/195899a16d.png)

Edit: Actually all the tiny houses have this problem.

This house you can wall swim if you turn around after entering it running west... which drops me to the second screen shot which im pretty sure is a sequence break.

(http://puu.sh/j7WJd/a1c31dcea8.png)
(http://puu.sh/j7WYY/d127d65581.png)
(http://puu.sh/j7WRu/bb05339f7f.png)

Exiting this houe and jumping while holding over causes a wall swim which lets you sequence break.
(http://puu.sh/j7Xeo/2225d5d09a.png)

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: scwizard on July 22, 2015, 03:37:45

Major spoilers:

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

The code for "summer" I figured out through cheating, it is: 143123.

It turns out the "beginning" of the yellow flowers refers to the save point, and the "end" refers to the yellow key. It would have been a good puzzle if there weren't yellow flowers in a bunch of other random points on the level. Also whether the code referred to groups of flowers or screens is also a lot of nonsense.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on July 24, 2015, 08:21:29

Well, I'm glad you are liking it so far.

Probably too late to correct the wallswims you mention at this point.

Keep it up!

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: sergiocornaga on July 24, 2015, 17:25:06

Quote from: Fubaka on July 24, 2015, 08:21:29

Probably too late to correct the wallswims you mention at this point.

It's never too late!

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on July 24, 2015, 23:08:16

Quote from: sergiocornaga on July 24, 2015, 17:25:06

Quote from: Fubaka on July 24, 2015, 08:21:29

Probably too late to correct the wallswims you mention at this point.

It's never too late!

Hmm, maybe...

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on July 25, 2015, 00:05:50

New update: Cosmic Meltdown 1.0.6

Changelog:

*Fixed possible wallswims involving the small houses.
*Brushed its teeth.
*Nerfed Greninja

Get it if you can't stand wallswims.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Miyako on July 25, 2015, 21:43:51

Quote from: Fubaka on July 25, 2015, 00:05:50

New update: Cosmic Meltdown 1.0.6

Changelog:

*Fixed possible wallswims involving the small houses.
*Brushed its teeth.
*Nerfed Greninja

Get it if you can't stand wallswims.

I broke the map and cant continue.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Took the boat. Couldnt find out what to do so I went back. Now the boat is gone.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on July 25, 2015, 21:51:40

Quote from: Miyako on July 25, 2015, 21:43:51

I broke the map and cant continue.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Took the boat. Couldnt find out what to do so I went back. Now the boat is gone.

Huh? What boat? Are we still talking about my level here?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Miyako on July 25, 2015, 21:56:09

Woops I posted that in the wrong thread. I beat your level. :p It was awesome. I got a bad ending though because of lack of findings..

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on February 08, 2016, 05:03:28

It's been a while, but, playing through this again, I found an embarrassingly obvious wallswim early in the level. From there, I decided to make some other changes:

• Changed dialogue, so that continue and end markers are simpler. Also cleaned up dialogue in places so it all neatly fits in the boxes.
• Added a mercy warp in the Silver Mountains, in case you missed something.
• Added new music in some areas
• changed some credits

We are now at version 1.0.7! Download it on the main post.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Ultigonio on February 08, 2016, 05:52:30

Well, that's well-timed!  I was just now getting back into the level to see if I could find some secrets.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Ultigonio on February 08, 2016, 07:07:49

Ha-ha!  You just patched it and I found a bug! :crazy:

There's a switch you can press at the start of the Silver Mountain area, the one that starts a brief quip from the mayor - if you're too far to the right (and left, probably, I didn't try that out) when you press it, you'll get quantized into the wrong spot, and you won't be able to scroll through the mayor's text!

There are also a handful of walls that should be no-climb and aren't, but they're in totally inconsequential places.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on February 08, 2016, 17:45:30

Quote from: Ultigonio on February 08, 2016, 07:07:49

Ha-ha!  You just patched it and I found a bug! :crazy:

There's a switch you can press at the start of the Silver Mountain area, the one that starts a brief quip from the mayor - if you're too far to the right (and left, probably, I didn't try that out) when you press it, you'll get quantized into the wrong spot, and you won't be able to scroll through the mayor's text!

There are also a handful of walls that should be no-climb and aren't, but they're in totally inconsequential places.

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/e/e9/Nelson_Ha-Ha.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121205194057)

Curse you Nelson, I mean, Ultigonio!

Okay, new patch time, 1.0.8:

• Fixed the stuff that Ultigonio said.
• Fixed a potential trapping save point in the Basalt Woods.
• Added a new secret area, though I'm almost positive it's impossible to reach legitimately. Try to prove me wrong!

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: CWolvie on February 13, 2016, 20:13:35

Thanks for changes, Fubaka. Cosmic Meltdown will always have a special place in my heart. <3

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Purple Ink on March 06, 2016, 20:31:09

Quote from: Fubaka on February 08, 2016, 17:45:30

• Added a new secret area, though I'm almost positive it's impossible to reach legitimately. Try to prove me wrong!

I take that as a challenge. Maybe when I feel like playing this again. I think I'm still burnt out on this level from all the play-testing I did.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Hopeseekeer on June 11, 2018, 18:24:43

Hello, I am Hopeseeker.
Excuse me for grave-digging an old (but extremely well made) Level: Cosmic Meltdown.
I would have a problem with this level.
I end the level by finding all the four keys, then was teleported to the light green-ish extra area.

In this area all your items get removed except Run powerup, Climbing Powerup, Holo Powerup.

I get the Umbrella, I get the Yellow Key, then I get the hint where counting the Yellow flowers is supposed to be the first part of the secret. I think I have done so but I have found no use for this (yet).

I go to the area in the upper right where you can use the yellow key, however, the laser lock is already open.

The piston puzzle is already open. And when I use the key I get to talk with Fubaka but he just tells me I need to bring the key to the end of the level.

The piston puzzle is supposed to be closed and not already solved.
Fubaka is supposed to appear and not be there already.
Fubaka is supposed to say something more intelligent than just "ok, now get the key to the end of the level", and to speak a series of sentences ending with the > mark.
I can find no use for the yellow flowers count.
I can find no other secret in this area despite haveing looked very well everywhere.
This feels... broken somehow.
Please help. I don't mind being spoiled, I give up and actually I think there is a problem with the level. I am playing version 1.0.8 and I have only cheated to get the red key.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on June 11, 2018, 21:04:19

Greetings, Hopeseekeer. I'll try to troubleshoot the problem here, but I need a little bit more info from you first.

*Are you using standard Knytt Stories to play the level? If not, which mod are you using?
*How did you cheat to get the red key? (I.e. did you use the in-game warp, did you skip ahead using the editor, etc.)

Once you've answered these, I might have a better idea of what happened.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Hopeseekeer on June 12, 2018, 08:38:24

Hello Fubaka, after "stalking" on the forum for a long time it feels weird/ kind of a honour to speak to you. :O

I got the red key by pressing Control + Shift + C and then spacebar + right click to avoid threats.

I am using Knytt Stories Plus 1.3.4

Thanks for the help, hopefully we can solve this. I wouldn't want to go to the next area before finishing this one but I don't get what it's supposed to happen here.

By the way if the piston puzzle was not open already, if the solution is in the yellow flowers, then the two things would "connect", and so it would make sense. I would have one way in mind one could figure out to use the number. Otherwise I would have no idea on how to solve it.

I cannot be 100% sure if the secret is even related to the piston puzzle obviously.

Maybe I'll start and go through the whole level again and see if the problem is still there. Maybe I just screwed up something. What I'm really worried about is if the level is ok for other people, I don't want other people to arrive there and find the piston puzzle open. If I screwed up something I guess that's ok. (the curiosity remains)

>>>edit: not even OOBs and cheats have worked, no way to get to the avatar screen and him saying intelligent things, my savegame was just too screwed up. So I have gone through the level again (with OOBs because it took a long time to do this legitimately and it was just a test) and the piston puzzle is closed, working. Yay

So indeed I had somehow screwed up something, and the level is OK. Let's not try to figure out what problem it was, our time is more precious.

Now.... how the hell am I supposed to open this laser gate LOL please at least give me a strong hint or am I supposed to just bruteforce this? The flower count doesn't seem to help.
Thank you

Gave a star for the obviously well executed level and explained a bit better what happened.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on June 12, 2018, 16:57:26

So I think I discovered what the problem might be. Whether or not the piston gate is open in the flower area depends on whether Flag 0 is set or not. Nothing is supposed to set it prior to your arrival there, but I discovered an old leftover shift that set it in the main level that wasn't supposed to be in use anymore. I deleted the flag trigger here, so hopefully that will solve the problem. I will do some additional testing and maybe clean a couple of things up for a 1.0.9 release some time soon.

As for how to legitimately get past the piston puzzle, you seem to have spelt out all of the in-game hints. The yellow flowers in question refer only to the ones in the caves, not on the surface (in 1.0.9, I will have the yellow flowers on the surface changed into red flowers). So what you need to do is follow the line of yellow flowers from the beginning of the underground section to the location of the yellow key. Take note of how many are on each screen. That should be enough for you to solve the puzzle.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Hopeseekeer on June 12, 2018, 23:42:31

Oh I see! Yeah maybe I have triggered this flag you are talking about. No idea how else this could have happened. Thank you! In any case I am now back on track (after an ashaming number of cheats and OOBs to reach the flower area from a fresh save) and I haven't triggered anything, the gate is properly closed.

So, the flowers in the very very early part of the level do not count.
I am laughing so hard now, because I thought I was very intelligent, having counted -every- yellow flower, yes, even the one on that unreachable area on the left!!! XD So if they are not 31, ok, I will try to open it with the other number  :D You can just bruteforce the puzzle, but doing it understanding what you are doing is obviously more fun!

On a side note, if you are releasing a 1.0.9, maybe you can consider

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having your avatar say you have indeed "found the secret of the flowers that was hidden in the area" before saying what he says. This lets you "close the argument" and go to the next area without thinking "But was that the actual secret?" The people who have bruteforced through the piston puzzle could also erroneously think the number of flowers is for later, and will search for the place to input the number never finding it because there isn't one.

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Great idea to remove/recolour the flowers that do not have to do with the solution. Again I counted from the very beginning because I felt it was something weird and so I took note of the number of flowers. That island on the left was the 100% confirmation that I was on the right path. Due to the fact it was not working, I thought the puzzle was even meaner and that there were more yellow flowers -before- the flower area that I did not count! Lol.
To avoid the piston puzzle bruteforcing, maybe you can add a simple hard/very hard puzzle between the save spot and the piston puzzle itself. Otherwise it will be really, really easy to just bruteforce through.

Thanks again for the amazing level. I might disturb you again with some later secrets but maybe I'll just pm you instead of disturbing newer posts :oops:

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For example I still could not find the duckhead bad ending despite having spied it in the world file, and this is really something you cannot find yourself without hints in such a big level

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on June 13, 2018, 05:28:21

I will not be giving out hints for the Bad Endings, as those are supposed to be the real easter eggs. You'll just have to comb around in the Editor if you can't find it legit.

As for this new update, I am currently planning on changing up some of the challenges as well. I made this level 5 years ago, and some of the elements within could use some streamlining. I almost felt like making a new area entirely, but maybe I should save it for a new level instead. Look out for the update within the next few days.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on June 29, 2018, 08:25:59

A new update has been released for Cosmic Meltdown! Here is a breakdown of the changes:

Cosmic Meltdown 1.0.9:

• Streamlined a bunch of challenges (mainly in the first areas).
• Added a few new rooms.
• Changed a couple graphics around in a secret place to lessen confusion.
• Pulled out a potentially sequence-breaking flag that did nothing.
• Fixed a potential area where Juni can get stuck at the very very very end of the level.
• Made a contentionably impossible jump actually impossible (for now).
• Nerfed Bayonetta.

The download link is on the original post. Have fun!

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Miragent on July 04, 2018, 15:09:16

Thank you very much for furtherly tweaking this classic.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: GrayFace on April 20, 2020, 17:10:04

Turns out I didn't find the eye in my 2 previous playthroughs. So, only now I've finished the level (not without using the editor) and feel like "necroposting". This amazing level goes straight into my top-10 best levels, or would if I actually kept such a list :)

One mystery remains for me:

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Where do I find the code for blue key in the dark-green area with crystals? I used the editor to see it.
edit: (found through a PM response from Fubaka) it was in the previous area, where you do a lot of talking, and also half of it becomes inaccessible at some point.

I've attached screenshots of wall-swims at x907y705 and x1031y953. Turns out these red crystals can be climbed from the side.
Also, if you go down from x920y708 (by first gliding from the left with umbrella), you end up in a void screen.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on April 26, 2020, 18:11:25

Thanks Grayface for spotting these holes in my level. I have given you a star and have also released an updated version of the level to fix those issues mentioned here and others mentioned in private conversation.

Now presenting: Cosmic Meltdown 1.1.0

Changelist:

• Fixed wallswims and void accesses at places mentioned by Grayface
• Modified music track in the Lunatic Portion of the Space Cave Temple to loop
• Redid the final part of the Lunatic area of the Space Cave Temple (there are now four Lunatic rooms, with the last two being quite tricky indeed)
• Removed Herobrine

As before, the download link is located in the original post. Have fun!

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: pfrangip on April 26, 2020, 18:23:36

Definitely going to add this to my Quarantine playlist. I never did get that secret ending!

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: GrayFace on April 27, 2020, 15:49:38

Quote from: Fubaka on April 26, 2020, 18:11:25

Removed Herobrine

Herobrine? Where was he?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: sergiocornaga on April 28, 2020, 04:02:35

Quote from: GrayFace on April 27, 2020, 15:49:38

Quote from: Fubaka on April 26, 2020, 18:11:25

Removed Herobrine

Herobrine? Where was he?

He gets around.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on February 28, 2022, 02:30:44

Greetings. It's been a while, but I have a new version of this level for you.

Cosmic Meltdown - Version 1.1.1
Changelog:

• Adjusted dialogue chains to give the player a bit more freedom of movement and prevent softlocks.
• Modified several challenges and areas with the express purpose of reducing annoyance factor. (including adding several extra save points).
• Tweaked a few graphics.
• Strengthened barriers to prevent the player from sequence breaking during certain dialogue scenes.
• Removed lots of wallswims and a few void screen access points.
• Added additional protections to prevent the player being able to jump past the "tripwires" to make The Creator appear in the bonus area.
• Fixed the issue where Juni would "keep" the hologram powerup after trading it for the umbrella until she died or a cutscene played.
• Added four new songs to the level, which play in areas which previously used songs already used in other parts of the level. The new songs used in the main part of the level have also been added to the Sound Test room.
• Changed and added a few bits of dialogue.
• Added a new secret area where the player can pick up the purple key on the "normal" path if they missed it earlier.
• Due to patching the old glitch-using route of getting on the hard path from the normal one and accessing the secret Key room, a legitimate way to get to the room was added, but it's hard to find. Good luck, speedrunners.
• A bunch of other small fixes.

You can access the new version via the original post in this thread, which has been updated.

Please let me know (preferably on Discord) if there are any more issues with the level. I want to leave Cosmic Meltdown flawless by the time this world ends.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on March 13, 2022, 02:13:38

So, after watching someone play the level live, I discovered a few more issues which I have now fixed. This is not a huge update, but it does improve some things, particularly in the bonus area. Here is the changelog:

Cosmic Meltdown - Version 1.1.2_01
Changelog:

• Added more save points in the Overgrown Labyrinth and Space Caves.
• Changed a few challenges, particularly in the bonus area.
• Added some more signs and sign dialogue.
• Ironed out some spots where wallswims could be performed in the Space Caves.
• Added a few more ghost blocks in the Space Caves to help better funnel the player toward other objectives.
• Fixed a potential Void screen access in the Overgrown Labyrinth.
• Fixed some spots where walls in contact with waterfalls could still be climbed.
• Added an extra response option for one of the Creator conversations.
• Added a spark of hope in the Space Caves.
• A few other small fixes.

You can access the new version via the original post in this thread, which has been updated.

As before, let me know if there are issues with this version, either old or new.

EDIT: Another void screen was discovered at the very very end of the level, so made a quick hotfix to address it.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: cman on March 13, 2022, 22:09:17

Hi. Bug report with spoilers:

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I have faced some issues after meeting with the mayor and telling her about the machine and the end of the world.

While walking, at some points the whole layout changes suddenly, which I understand is totally on purpose since the world is melting away. However when this happens and I go back to previous screens I am able to climb some invisible walls and reach the void that I am pretty sure should not happen.

It happened in version 1.1.1 and now I downloaded 1.1.2_01, started the same save and the same happens.
You can see the issue in this video: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sixhcppra6mq8ak/2022-03-13%2021-54-48.mp4?dl=0

Loving the level so far!

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on March 13, 2022, 22:26:36

Quote from: cman on March 13, 2022, 22:09:17

Hi. I have faced some issues after meeting with the mayor and telling her about the machine and the end of the world.

While walking, at some points the whole layout changes suddenly, which I understand is totally on purpose since the world is melting away. However when this happens and I go back to previous screens I am able to climb some invisible walls and reach the void that I am pretty sure should not happen.

It happened in version 1.1.1 and now I downloaded 1.1.2_01, started the same save and the same happens.
You can see the issue in this video: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sixhcppra6mq8ak/2022-03-13%2021-54-48.mp4?dl=0

Loving the level so far!

Ah, I see what the problem is. I'd installed a wall there to prevent the player slipping past a shift tripwire, but I hadn't taken into account the idea that the player could approach that particular trigger from the other side. I'll have that fixed and a new version uploaded shortly. Thanks for pointing that out.

EDIT: The fixed version is out now, and has replaced the old one. Version 1.1.2_02. You can find it on the first post.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: cman on March 16, 2022, 00:24:24

Happy to contribute. It is all fixed now thanks!, I also realized that I was trying to go back when it wasn't needed.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on March 16, 2022, 09:02:31

Quote from: cman on March 16, 2022, 00:24:24

Happy to contribute. It is all fixed now thanks!, I also realized that I was trying to go back when it wasn't needed.

Well it's not your fault for trying to go back. It's my fault as a designer for failing to properly account for such a situation. I realized when going back to fix the issue that I had set a trigger there way back when to specifically cause something to happen if you tried to go back, but when I was making my fixes for 1.1.1, I mistakenly believed that you'd be approaching from the left, like with the other ones. :P

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: cman on March 19, 2022, 00:12:35

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I finished the level 2 times and I am unable to see a way of getting the red key! I see some areas that I can't access yet and surely will be able to access with some power ups, but no way to backtrack to them once I have those power ups... the yellow key was easier to find! please a little clue...

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on March 19, 2022, 05:16:23

Quote from: cman on March 19, 2022, 00:12:35

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I finished the level 2 times and I am unable to see a way of getting the red key! I see some areas that I can't access yet and surely will be able to access with some power ups, but no way to backtrack to them once I have those power ups... the yellow key was easier to find! please a little clue...

Well, before we get to talking about the red key, did you ever find the Eye powerup?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: cman on March 19, 2022, 14:21:25

Actually not, only the enemy detector power-up!

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on March 19, 2022, 15:16:20

Quote from: cman on March 19, 2022, 14:21:25

Actually not, only the enemy detector power-up!

I see. Well, you'll need to find the eye powerup early in the level if you want any hope of finding the red or blue keys. Try starting a new game and searching for it before you speak to the mayor of Juni's village.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: cman on March 20, 2022, 01:59:41

Thanks! that clue was all I needed to find it. It really feels like a whole different level once you get the eye.

I did quite a bit of progress. Usually I stay away of hard or lunatic levels... I am not so good when things get challenging. However I this time I took the challenge! question:

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is this possible without the long jump? I try to save the double jump so I can use that extra impulse here, but I still don't manage to reach the air current that is right on the top screen https://www.dropbox.com/s/fl53o1e874jdpgd/Knytt%20Stories%20Plus%201.3.8%201080%202022-03-20%2001.53.52.png?dl=0

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on March 20, 2022, 15:23:23

Quote from: cman on March 20, 2022, 01:59:41

Thanks! that clue was all I needed to find it. It really feels like a whole different level once you get the eye.

I did quite a bit of progress. Usually I stay away of hard or lunatic levels... I am not so good when things get challenging. However I this time I took the challenge! question:

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is this possible without the long jump? I try to save the double jump so I can use that extra impulse here, but I still don't manage to reach the air current that is right on the top screen https://www.dropbox.com/s/fl53o1e874jdpgd/Knytt%20Stories%20Plus%201.3.8%201080%202022-03-20%2001.53.52.png?dl=0

Yeah, that part is possible, just a bit harder without High Jump. You do need to save the double jump to give you that extra bit of oomph, but you also need to make good use of the current to gain the extra height you need. It may help to remember that holding down the S key with the umbrella out causes currents to lift you with more force.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: cman on March 20, 2022, 21:44:17

Well thank you for the tips. I managed to do the jump thanks to holding S. Great level! I had fun trying and trying to advance as it got more and more difficult. At the end I had to give up here:

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/nygp2dksmg8zjhd/Knytt%20Stories%20Plus%201.3.8%201080%202022-03-20%2021.35.30.png?dl=0

I evaluated it and tried several times and I am convinced this is as as far as I can go, but I am still happy with what I managed!

I also couldn't manage to do the next jump here to get to the secret area:

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/jlooniuibvl9lao/Knytt%20Stories%20Plus%201.3.8%201080%202022-03-20%2020.54.04.png?dl=0

Title: Re: [Challenge/Scenic/Epic Length] Cosmic Meltdown {3 Difficulties}
Post by: Fubaka on March 20, 2022, 22:13:28

Quote from: cman on March 20, 2022, 21:44:17

Well thank you for the tips. I managed to do the jump thanks to holding S. Great level! I had fun trying and trying to advance as it got more and more difficult. At the end I had to give up here:

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nygp2dksmg8zjhd/Knytt%20Stories%20Plus%201.3.8%201080%202022-03-20%2021.35.30.png?dl=0

I evaluated it and tried several times and I am convinced this is as as far as I can go, but I am still happy with what I managed!

I also couldn't manage to do the next jump here to get to the secret area:

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jlooniuibvl9lao/Knytt%20Stories%20Plus%201.3.8%201080%202022-03-20%2020.54.04.png?dl=0

I'm glad you had a good time with it. I'm not too surprised that the screen you mentioned is where you got stuck. I think that is commonly cited as the hardest screen (that isn't secret, at any rate). Maybe one day you can come back and give it another go, so don't throw away your save file.

Also, regarding the second screen, I would recommend coming back to that on the normal path so you can use the high jump. That'll make it easier to get in there.