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Released Games => The Great Work => Topic started by: Nifflas on January 25, 2013, 16:17:37

Title: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: Nifflas on January 25, 2013, 16:17:37

...but here (http://www.ni2.se/nifflas/content/The%20Great%20Work/The%20Great%20Work%20(beta).zip) is a pre-release Windows build of the game :D

Please let me know if you find something that doesn't work or if I spent something wrong :)

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: sergiocornaga on January 25, 2013, 17:55:26

Unfortunate bug encountered!

When running windowed mode, the visuals look a bit broken: http://i.imgur.com/G3gyHMM.jpg

When using fullscreen mode, the game also shoves everything in the top left corner, including the menu: http://i.imgur.com/PXaBqjZ.jpg

OS: Windows Vista (Service Pack 2) Video Card: GeForce GTX 280 Desktop Resolution: 1280x1024

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: BloxMaster on January 25, 2013, 18:03:11

Huh, everything's working just fine here in fullscreen! :O

Windows 8 64bit
1920x1080
ATI Radeon HD 6770

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: AaronKI on January 25, 2013, 18:15:16

I'm the guy with the fullscreen issue (Vista SP2, GeForce GTX 280 with fairly recent drivers, 1280x1024 resolution). I asked Sergio to post it for me since I didn't have an account at the time, but I wanted to ask.. is the game supposed to look like this or is it a bug?

http://i.imgur.com/3UxUaUa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/G3gyHMM.jpg

With the white circles on top of everything and the black floaty bits obscuring everything else. The text is running together and difficult to read in some spots, too.

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: BloxMaster on January 25, 2013, 18:16:40

Pretty much, no. It shouldn't look like that at all. I think it's your graphics card, although I can't be totally sure of that.

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: Nifflas on January 25, 2013, 18:18:11

This version uses the MMF2 runtime, while the final build on Monday will use Mathias' C++ exporter (the same thing that Knytt Underground uses). In case Knytt Underground runs on your computer, The Great Work will once it's released.

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: AaronKI on January 25, 2013, 18:22:30

Quote from: Nifflas on January 25, 2013, 18:18:11

This version uses the MMF2 runtime, while the final build on Monday will use Mathias' C++ exporter (the same thing that Knytt Underground uses). In case Knytt Underground runs on your computer, The Great Work will once it's released.

Ok, cool. Knytt Underground runs without any problems. Glad it doesn't sound like an issue for the final release!

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: BloxMaster on January 25, 2013, 18:25:30

I'm still not sure why it'd occur with your hardware and not mine. When the final version releases, it might be helpful to know if you have any similar issues. I can't find any screenshots, but with permission I could upload one just to show you what it looks like.

P.S. Welcome to the forums! ;)

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: SecretGlitch on January 25, 2013, 18:56:49

The letter Ú doesn't show up in the alphabet set for me, it just appears as a red question mark.

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: Beastboy on January 25, 2013, 19:06:03

I've been playing for the past 2 hours, and it's really cool so far. The game looks and runs fine for me, and I only found 2 small bugs.

The first bug is that you can equip and unequip every item in your inventory, whether it does something or not. This could be intentional, but I don't see a reason why.
The other one is a minor error in the name "Una". Instead of a U it displays a Questionmark. I'm running a German Windows, maybe that got something to do with it.
(http://puu.sh/1St7o)
(The small part of the desktop on the right only appears on the screenshot, I'm running the game in fullscreen mode)

Aside from that everything is fine so far. The only complaint I'd have is that I find the controls very sloppy with the running shoes on.  I don't know if that's just a problem for me but I keep having to equip and unequip them when I need to use them, because if I leave them on I just run into everything.
It would be nice to have a hotkey to use or not to use it. Like you have with the booster. Or just make it appear higher up in the inventory, next to the booster, so it's easier to equip and unequip it.

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: Polana on January 25, 2013, 19:14:33

Works fine to me (win 7, resolution 1366 x 768). Did not try fullscreen yet.

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: egomassive on January 25, 2013, 21:31:51

I have some issues.

Spoiler: contains screen shots and puzzle spoilers (click to show/hide)

The specs on my old laptop:

• XP Service Pack 3
• Intel Pentium M 1.7GHz
• 248MB RAM
• Intel 915GM/GMS,910GML
• 1280x800x32
• Does not support OpenGL

Whenever I first encounter water after loading I get a couple frames of flickering lines. (See first 2 images.) It happens after starting the game and after dying. It's probable due to the low system specs, and it only lasts a moment. It only occurs in fullscreen mode. It does not happen if the initial screen contains water.
(http://egomassive.com/temp/tgw01.png)
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(http://egomassive.com/temp/tgw02.png)

I'd have to play through again from the start to know for certain. But, I'm fairly sure you can get stuck if you fall into the pit I've circled while carrying the Weight.
(http://egomassive.com/temp/tgw03.png)

There's a physics anomaly on this screen (See final image.) If you have any rightward momentum when emerging from the water, you will suddenly accelerate to the right. You can land as far as the npc without the use of equipment. With the Shoe you can be flung over the house! The arrow I've drawn is an approximate flight path.
(http://egomassive.com/temp/tgw04.png)

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: Nifflas on January 26, 2013, 00:03:13

egomassive:

1: Disabling the water effect in the menu will fix the water problem. It's probably GPU related as it doesn't happen for most testers.

2: I thought about getting stuck there, and if you try it, you'll notice you won't get stuck :)

3: It has to do with the deceleration of the moving water, which is implemented in a slightly weird way that kind of works nicely except in that situation. It's a bit too annoying to change and it doesn't really break the game or anything right now.

Bestboy:

1: It's an easy thing to fix. Thanks for reporting.

2: Maybe I'll implement something to prevent you from equipping every item if I have time.

3: I suppose I could make a run button just like there is a boost button. Maybe if you hold A when you run, even though it conflicts a bit with the "grab" button.

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: Qqwy on January 26, 2013, 15:03:44

I have been playing for the past two and a half hours, and I believe I have almost finished the game.
There are still a few things I have to find out before I'll be able to create gold:

Spoiler: my gameplay progress (click to show/hide)

I still have to get Atrium nitrate or whatever its exact name is to Gallasteros, who will then hopefully give me the item I need to start a chain of item swaps to get lead.

I am guessing I need to make that stuff myself. Freiherre told me that the Bottle of Dew is needed for some recepie but I haven't found the tract for it (tract 5?).

Spoiler: Random observations and thoughts in a more or less chronological order. Contains spoilers and puzzle solutions. (click to show/hide)

When jumping down from fulcanelli's house for the first time at the start of the game, I managed to get on the right ledge. Because I went right then and not down, I got 'trapped' in the down portion of the Dew Mines before finding the Dew Mine map. This made the game really confusing at start. I restarted the game at this point because I thought that I did something that wasn't supposed to be done. I guess that's not really the case since you can get back up to Home, but only much later after you've done everything you can in the Dew Mines at that time.


I love what you did with the honey. When I found it at first I equipped it right away, mainly because I had thought that some creatures would otherwise not talk to me. It took me some time to figure out the hedgehog puzzle because only later I realized that the honey was the reason he dashed at me.

The music is amazing. The fact that the sun temple and moon temple have special songs that start playing, and that these songs have lyrics unlike anything I have heard in your game thus far, gave me goosebumps because of the contrast to the rest of the game.

At some point of looking at my inventory I saw that the Red Powder is cocaine-white(I don't know how else to say this). It was only then that I realized that all of the items were monochrome. I do wonder why the red powder is this white, and not a little more grey-ish. EDIT: After finishing the game I now realize why you made the monochrome choice =D.

About the weight puzzles: I found the bowling ball first. After I figured out that it limited your powers and made you walk underwater, I immediately tought that this would be the way to move against the currents. However, when carrying the bowling ball you won't be able to access the currents. When I gave it to Egidio, I was confused at first because I really tought that I would need it later. When I got the weight later, it all made sense again, but that was only much later in the game.

Which brings me to my next point. The level design is absolutely stunning. The way you are confined to visiting only certain areas while having certain power ups/power downs is done so extremely great. I realized that some parts of the level that I at first had thought were only there for aesthetic purposes made the game work in certain other aspects, for instance when you have the weights and you are going to have to walk underwater. I was and still am  stunned by the beauty of this.



About the inventory. At first I thought that the inventory was finite, and that you could only hold 15 items. I tried to manage my items by putting stuff in the Teleport Boxes, the furnace and the Home to ensure that I had space. Only much later I realized that when I grabbed more than 15 I would get another page of items.
I think I kind of liked the item management idea. Was it deliberate to not do this?

The only kind of issue I have in the game is that, unlike in Knytt Underground, there is no indication of where Nifflas is when he is in dark spaces or inside hidden tunnels. In some of them I really lost where Nifflas was. In the room below Champagne, I have spent a long time trying to swim trough the dark portion, because I thought that I had to find a way through there to get to his house, and wasn't sure if I made any progress because I couldn't see.

I ABSOLUTELY REALLY REALLY love kind of everything about this game.

Just saying 'thank you for making this' is a big understatement of the awesomeness it posesses.

~Qqwy

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: Widget on January 26, 2013, 15:24:46

Quote from: Qqwy on January 26, 2013, 15:03:44

Spoiler: my gameplay progress (click to show/hide)

I still have to get Atrium nitrate or whatever its exact name is to Gallasteros, who will then hopefully give me the item I need to start a chain of item swaps to get lead.

I am guessing I need to make that stuff myself. Freiherre told me that the Bottle of Dew is needed for some recepie but I haven't found the tract for it (tract 5?).

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Tract 3 is the one for Ammonium Nitrate. Bottle of Dew + Sunlight

I haven't had any major issues at all, and no minor issues that haven't already been covered. It's an absolutely fantastic game; really entertaining.
I did find the running shoes difficult to handle, like Beastboy, but it didn't bother me to only equip them when they were needed (or when I felt like a bit of larking about) :^^:

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: Qqwy on January 26, 2013, 16:39:52

Quote from: Widget on January 26, 2013, 15:24:46

Quote from: Qqwy on January 26, 2013, 15:03:44

Spoiler: my gameplay progress (click to show/hide)

I still have to get Atrium nitrate or whatever its exact name is to Gallasteros, who will then hopefully give me the item I need to start a chain of item swaps to get lead.

I am guessing I need to make that stuff myself. Freiherre told me that the Bottle of Dew is needed for some recepie but I haven't found the tract for it (tract 5?).

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Tract 3 is the one for Ammonium Nitrate. Bottle of Dew + Sunlight

I haven't had any major issues at all, and no minor issues that haven't already been covered. It's an absolutely fantastic game; really entertaining.
I did find the running shoes difficult to handle, like Beastboy, but it didn't bother me to only equip them when they were needed (or when I felt like a bit of larking about) :^^:

Thanks for your help. I did not get that clue.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I thought that Tract 3 was only there to show me how to collect Dew in the Bottle. What Freiherre told me about Tract 3 further establishes this fact. I never would have guessed to go to the Sun Altar and use the bottle there...

Must be me and my crazy thinking tough.

I have now finished the game. Wow. I will certainly make a level for this once we can.

~Qqwy

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: Widget on January 26, 2013, 17:08:58

Quote from: Qqwy on January 26, 2013, 16:39:52

Thanks for your help. I did not get that clue.

~Qqwy

Don't beat yourself up about it, I took ages to realise where I had to take that thing to react it  ;)

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: Polana on January 26, 2013, 17:26:32

Does anyone know how to deliver arsenic ?
thanks

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: Widget on January 26, 2013, 17:48:31

Quote from: Polana on January 26, 2013, 17:26:32

Does anyone know how to deliver arsenic ?
thanks

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

You need to place it into one of the teleporters in the Moon Cave^? so that you can take it out in the Sun Cave beyond the monster spawns. You have to get to the teleporter by swimming against the current, so you'll need the Booster.

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: Polana on January 26, 2013, 19:21:18

Thank you. I've b eaten this game. No bugs.

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: Headgrinder on January 27, 2013, 19:28:39

This is really beautiful, and I love the power ups and physics.  I'm very curious however why there is the "a" press for normal wall climbing.  I get it for when you have only one glove, and for the ceiling climb (though even that would be better without the "a" hold [ahem, as is most of life, chuckle]), but it REALLY messes me up for normal wall climbs and jumps.  I almost always have to do my triangle jumps two or three times to get them right because I can't seem to get use to the "a" button for standard KS style climbing.  Would it have just been too odd to suddenly switch the "a" hold off once you have two gloves?

I'm close to finishing, but

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I cannot seem to get into Champagne's place!  I have the booster and flippers equipped, as well as runners though I don't know how that would help, but I always slip past the entrance too quickly to get in.  Is there another weight I have to get somewhere???

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: Nifflas on January 27, 2013, 19:59:30

I made some tests with this earlier, but unfortunately it's very inconvenient to skip the A button when roof climbing is supported.

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: Beastboy on January 27, 2013, 20:18:10

Quote from: Headgrinder on January 27, 2013, 19:28:39

I'm close to finishing, but

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I cannot seem to get into Champagne's place!  I have the booster and flippers equipped, as well as runners though I don't know how that would help, but I always slip past the entrance too quickly to get in.  Is there another weight I have to get somewhere???

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

You have to hold down the S key to use the booster.

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: Headgrinder on January 27, 2013, 22:03:29

Quote from: Beastboy on January 27, 2013, 20:18:10

Quote from: Headgrinder on January 27, 2013, 19:28:39

I'm close to finishing, but

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I cannot seem to get into Champagne's place!  I have the booster and flippers equipped, as well as runners though I don't know how that would help, but I always slip past the entrance too quickly to get in.  Is there another weight I have to get somewhere???

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

You have to hold down the S key to use the booster.

Oh geeze... ha!

Quote from: Nifflas on January 27, 2013, 19:59:30

I made some tests with this earlier, but unfortunately it's very inconvenient to skip the A button when roof climbing is supported.

Toggle on/off?

Title: Re: Shh! Don't tell anyone!
Post by: Nifflas on January 27, 2013, 22:08:02

Even toggle is unfortunately too annoying (some visual indicator would be needed), this is what turned out to work best for The Great Work.