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Being Creative => Creativity Support => Topic started by: Hmpf on January 06, 2013, 19:43:45
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Is there something comparable to the KS editor (in its utter noob-friendly simplicity), that will allow me to put together simple soundscapes? I'm not really looking for a full music editor, but something rather more basic... ideally something that comes with a library of sounds/instrument sounds.
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Does it also have to be free or doesn't it matter?
If price doesn't matter, I'd aim for VSTi's like Native Instruments Absynth etc, as they can also run stand-alone.
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Depends on the price. Since I do not really want to get into making music as a new hobby, but rather am only looking for a tool to help me create some soundscapes for a KS level, and since I'm also not exactly wealthy, the money I'm willing to spend on this is limited. However, I'm willing to spend something - just not very much.
Overall, simplicity is the most important feature I'm looking for. Really, something comparable to the Knytt Stories level editor, only for music, would be ideal.
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I see.
Thats going to be hard to find. Anything that creates soundscapes this advance is advanced by itself. The more quality stuff is also pretty expensive.
I think you'll be better off with a microphone and a reverb plugin in a wave editor.
A wave editor would be Wavosaur which supports VST effects to be applied to the waveform, and a reverb plugin would be this: http://www.kvraudio.com/product/dx_reverb_light_by_anwida_soft or http://www.kvraudio.com/product/karmafx_reverb_by_karma_fx
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See, I'm not sure I'm actually looking for something very advanced. Actually, I'd like something reduced, rather than something advanced. Something that only has a couple of functions or so. I'm far better at making do with reduced functions than learning a complex new tool.
ETA: Basically, something like a children's version of a sound editor.
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Which is what I gave in my previous post. Its that or something complex, really.
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Which is what I gave in my previous post. Its that or something complex, really.
Okay... I had no idea what what you said in your previous post meant, sorry. I'll have to do some research to understand the terminology...
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Which is what I gave in my previous post. Its that or something complex, really.
Okay... I had no idea what what you said in your previous post meant, sorry. I'll have to do some research to understand the terminology...
Wavosaur is a program that can edit and record wave files, which is what you want to accomplish in the end. (wave file is the raw output (file) of sound.
You record something, and then you use one of the two plugins I linked you to and apply it to the sound to get these soundscapes.
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Oh, okay, so I need to be able to record stuff. That's... unfortunate.
I was really wishing for something a lot more like the KS level editor - something that doesn't require me to be able to make my own "raw materials" (like with the KS level editor, you don't have to be able to make your own graphics; you can build a level just using the pre-existing tilesets that come with the program.)
I don't really have anything I could record, nor any idea how to record stuff, nor the necessary tech.
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Then it'll cost a lot of money. Thats basically the issue.
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Ah. That sucks. :-( Thanks for trying to help, though.
I guess I need to find someone who will score my level.
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Here are some instructions for using free tools to crudely hack together soundscapes like the pros:
1. Make some melodies with Tonematrix (http://tonematrix.audiotool.com/) (you can record them using Audacity).
2. Trawl Freesound.org (http://freesound.org/) for source material with licenses that will allow modification for use in your level.
3. Plug stuff into paulstretch (http://hypermammut.sourceforge.net/paulstretch/), a great program for making droning ethereal ambiances. Fiddle with the sliders and see what happens.
4. Overlay and fade stuff together in Audacity (http://audacity.sourceforge.net/). Apply some effects if you want. Export to OGG.
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I'm a complete n00b at audio myself, but using Freesound.org, Audacity, and the Paulstretch built into Audacity I turned this (http://www.freesound.org/people/digifishmusic/sounds/84243/) into this (see attachment.) ETA: I only used 175 milliseconds of the original recording
I think I'm going to try out Wavosaur. I checked it out and it looks like it has more functionality than Audactiy.
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Wow, thanks for the mini-tutorial! :-) I'm gonna try that... Though by now some people have offered to help in my preview thread, as well... (gotta reply to them... but tomorrow, because Real Life shit has started happening again.)
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@sergiocornaga: Oh my. That's sort of addicting... (The Tonematrix thing, I mean.)
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And by that I mean I REALLY CAN'T STOP! :D
http://tonematrix.audiotool.com/_/0.i80.0.0.g00.0.0.g0l.0.0.0.g00.0.0.0.g00
http://tonematrix.audiotool.com/_/0.i90.20.40.g20.40.80.g4l.80.g0.80.gg0.100.g0.100.i00
http://tonematrix.audiotool.com/_/0.i90.20.40.g20.40.80.g4l.80.g0.1080.gg0.100.10g0.100.i00
http://tonematrix.audiotool.com/_/1000.0.900.600.401.802.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.800.800
http://tonematrix.audiotool.com/_/0.0.4.0.0.0.0.0.1000.0.1000.800.0.k00.0.k00
http://tonematrix.audiotool.com/_/0.0.0.104.0.0.0.10.0.800.400.200.4.8.40.0
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH HAVE. TO. STOP!!!
Can't stop.
http://tonematrix.audiotool.com/_/1004.0.8.1000.0.200.40g.0.0.0.0.0.10.0.0.07
http://tonematrix.audiotool.com/_/1004.0.8.0.0.0.100g.0.0.0.0.0.10.1004.1002.1
http://tonematrix.audiotool.com/_/1004.0.8.0.0.0.100g.0.0.0.0.0.g10.1g04.1002.1
http://tonematrix.audiotool.com/_/1004.0.8.0.g0.0.108g.0.800.0.0.0.g10.1g04.1002.1
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.
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There are some really promising loops there. Possibly slowed down and combined with some kind of environmental samples (wind blowing, water dripping, leaves rustling..). Fiddling with the relative levels to de-emphasize the "tinniness" of some of the notes might help aswell; it does want to end up as a "background" element to the level, I would have thought.
Anyway, I'm rambling. Sorry ;)
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There are some really promising loops there. Possibly slowed down and combined with some kind of environmental samples (wind blowing, water dripping, leaves rustling..). Fiddling with the relative levels to de-emphasize the "tinniness" of some of the notes might help aswell; it does want to end up as a "background" element to the level, I would have thought.
Anyway, I'm rambling. Sorry ;)
No need to apologise! Yeah, these aren't really attempts at scoring my level yet; just me playing around, getting to know this toy/tool. But that's about the complexity level I was looking for... fool-proof, noob-friendly stuff! :D I'll have to look into recording and editing stuff...
In theory I could also record my guitar, I suppose (though I can barely play anything... but then, I'm not really looking for songs here, just... sounds. I'm sure I could make some useable sounds on the guitar. No idea how to record stuff, though. My guitar does have a pickup, but I don't have an amp...
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Apparently you can hook up an electric (or, presumably, electro-acoustic) guitar directly to your soundcard's mic. in and work from there. The article (http://www.musiconmypc.co.uk/art_record_guitar_on_pc.php) I looked at said it isn't likely to produce a quality recording but it might be worth a try just to play around with :)
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Apparently you can hook up an electric (or, presumably, electro-acoustic) guitar directly to your soundcard's mic. in and work from there. The article (http://www.musiconmypc.co.uk/art_record_guitar_on_pc.php) I looked at said it isn't likely to produce a quality recording but it might be worth a try just to play around with :)
Thanks. I'll keep this in mind - for later levels, probably... In fact, I should probably concentrate on finishing my level, and leave the music to someone else for now, as there are currently people willing to help. But I do want to learn to make my own music eventually.
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Oh god, I'm still playing around with that tonematrix thing. Arrrrrrrgh.
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Lets join in. :)
http://tonematrix.audiotool.com/_/888.800.920.800.8gg.800.800.a10.800.944.800.8a8.ggg.0.1110.0
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Nice. Very video-gamey!
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Audiotool does offer more than just tonematrix. In fact, you can use tonematrix inside audiotool too and add effects, which will be your next step no doubt.
To show what is possible, here's an example I made today: http://www.audiotool.com/track/mellow_vibe/
Its a really good song for a knytt stories level, and for that reason: anyone, feel free to use it. :)
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Wow. Looks like I do need to play around a bit with that, yes! Maybe not for Falling Water... but I have other level ideas...
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Audiotool does offer more than just tonematrix. In fact, you can use tonematrix inside audiotool too and add effects, which will be your next step no doubt.
To show what is possible, here's an example I made today: http://www.audiotool.com/track/mellow_vibe/
Its a really good song for a knytt stories level, and for that reason: anyone, feel free to use it. :)
That would be really good for a level that limits you to walking for a few minutes; something interesting to listen to while moving at a snail's pace and, though I'm not exactly blessed musically (so I could be very wrong), it sounds like it's in about the right time-signature to tie-in with the walk animation.
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Hmm, yeah I think that could work. Its a BPM of 50, and 50 frames per second for the walking animation could just be it (25x2).
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Wow. Looks like I do need to play around a bit with that, yes! Maybe not for Falling Water... but I have other level ideas...
I wanted to show you how I do it so you can learn from it. As a result this (http://nifflas.lpchip.nl/index.php?topic=5792.0) has been born. :) Enjoy.