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Title: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][KS+] The World is Changing v1.0.2
Post by: toenail on May 04, 2012, 16:25:03

Hi everyone,

Here is the latest "working" version : v1.0.2
I checked it completely this time to correct all possible errors. I add my own run of the game down bellow.
Sorry for the previous release.

As the title says, this is a large level. Even more so if you want to find all the endings.
So be prepared to spend some time on it (for me, knowing where to go, it took more than 3 hours).
My run:

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15 minutes - 1st dungeon
41 minutes - 2nd dungeon
25 minutes - 3rd dungeon
45 minutes - 4th dungeon
16 minutes - 5th dungeon
45 minutes - final ending + all golden creatures

This is over 3 hours and I knew exactly where I was going. Even so, I forgot one ending during this run which would add only a couple of minutes.

I can give you some hints if necessary.

This is my first level for Knytt Stories.
I have played lots of them but I decided to try creating my very own level when I saw the KS+ mod by Egomassive (http://nifflas.lpchip.nl/index.php?topic=4175.0)
It will only work with this mod.

Here is the new version of the level.
Direct Download (http://knyttlevels.com/levels/toenail%20-%20The%20world%20is%20changing%20v1.0.2.knytt.bin)

Following your comments, I updated some parts. Thank you for your feedback.


Changes

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1.0.2
-Changed the umbrella graphics for the ghost temple (thanks to the new KS+ version)
-Adapted the temple for the new umbrella (remember that custom umbrella do not protect you)
-Replaced the custom characters with the improved versions by Grayface
-Added the new Info+ screen
-Added a couple of simplifications
-Corrected a couple of errors (wall swim, text...)

1.0.1
-Making the level playable (which should have been obvious but was not the case on v1.0  :oops:)
-Added a couple of savepoints

1.0
-Added the final ending
-Added a new "dungeon" maze / exploration type

0.9.1
-changed the icons for artifacts and golden creatures
-added suggestions of improvements made by GrayFace

0.9
-added a complete new dungeon
-corrected the previous version error with the feathers in the temple

0.6
-simplification of some very hard screens
-added a couple of save points
-path to the key is now understandable
-added a couple of clues
-added enemies in the forest part
-added a teaser to the next dungeon
-corrected the love ending to take you back in the temple

Hints

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Feathers :

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a ghost gives you a hint 2 screens to the left of the entrance

Detector :

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on your way to the double jump, on the screen below, there is a path of wind. I wonder where that goes

Cats :

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remember this mod allow to hide the first message. Try looking at furniture the same way you found the first golden creature.
Also, cats can be outside the mension as well as inside.

Boxes :

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once you have found the edge of the world ending, you will be in exploration mode. You can now find a shop in the forest

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after bying the first boxes from the shop, one can be found in the mension and the other one in the cave village

To do

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-sleep
-correct bugs once spotted

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: Raicuparta on May 04, 2012, 16:52:57

Is there a chance you forgot to choose the correct starting powers? Right now, Juni starts with no powers at all, and it seems impossible to go to advance in any direction. Or maybe I missed something?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: toenail on May 04, 2012, 17:25:16

Quote from: Raicuparta on May 04, 2012, 16:52:57

Is there a chance you forgot to choose the correct starting powers? Right now, Juni starts with no powers at all, and it seems impossible to go to advance in any direction. Or maybe I missed something?

Yes you are supposed to start empty handed.
The jump to the right is tricky with no power up but difficult.
I was planning on simplifying it but I forgot.
I have updated the level.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: GrayFace on May 04, 2012, 18:20:01

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Where do I get the eye? Or something that lets me get the purple key in that secret room.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: lamarblake on May 04, 2012, 18:22:48

I got all the way to the right but could not get the training to work. I'm assuming that was supposed to be run pu?

Can't make the first long jump to the left without it.

*update*  got the training but it was a bit buggy.  All the way to the left now and no key yet right? Or am I missing something else?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: toenail on May 04, 2012, 19:09:39

This a first part is my first attempt at a level.
I'll have to smooth it over a bit.

As for the Key, it is available but all the way back to the training.
I should make it more obvious. However, when I thought of the level at first, my idea was to force players to go spend time runing around to artificialy increase the playing time.
It should be better in the temple where I have added clues.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: GrayFace on May 05, 2012, 07:23:58

As I said, the key is unreachable due to spikes.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: toenail on May 05, 2012, 09:22:24

Quote from: GrayFace on May 05, 2012, 07:23:58

As I said, the key is unreachable due to spikes.

it is reachable. You can't see the path however

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: GrayFace on May 05, 2012, 18:21:18

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I've finished. I haven't found any feathers, the Love ending just threw me out of the ghost world.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: toenail on May 05, 2012, 18:55:56

Quote from: GrayFace on May 05, 2012, 18:21:18

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I've finished. I haven't found any feathers, the Love ending just threw me out of the ghost world.

Yeah, I saw this error this morning. I changed it to take you back in. However, I only have my phone to connect to internet so I will only be able to upload the new version once I am back at work.

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For the feathers, you should try looking using the detector. Have you found it?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: lamarblake on May 05, 2012, 19:03:55

Well, for your first level I say "congrats".  I personally didn't like it, well let me say I didn't like the sometimes lunatic if not very hard game play.  However I'm sure there are those out there who will love that kind of challenge.

Never did find the "hidden" path to the key. Saw the key but gave up trying to figure out how to get it due to time, work, life. So, just god moded Juni over there and took that bad puppy. Pretty much cheated my way through most of the level after giving each area several attempts. Like I said lunatic not my fave. Oh and I must say umbrellas and spikes are my least fave combo in KS. lol

Here's a good thumbs up for ya...you did seem to put in a lot of save points at critical times. That's always welcome.

Sry if I seem too negative. I do honestly believe you did a bang up job for your first level. That is impressive. Just not my type of game play.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: toenail on May 05, 2012, 20:28:42

Thank you for the feedback. i am glad you took the time to write it. I know the level difficulty is a bit strange. At first I was planning on making a very small level but insane. As you could see, it ended being not so small. I kept the idea of a hard level but I need to tone it down a bit. I have simplified the training a little and I will make the path to the Key more obvious.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: GrayFace on May 06, 2012, 01:23:40

It's not Lunatic, I think it's Very Hard with broken difficulty in some places. I'll go into more detail, but not now. These broken things give a lot of bad feelings about the level, but after they are fixed the level would become a really good one.

Quote from: lamarblake on May 05, 2012, 19:03:55

Here's a good thumbs up for ya...you did seem to put in a lot of save points at critical times. That's always welcome.

Lack of save points in certain points is one of big problems of the level. E.g. there's a save point in the town, then a couple empty screens to the left and then a screen with spikers in the ground. Who in his right mind would put surprise spikers in his level anyway? :D

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I haven't found the detector.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: toenail on May 07, 2012, 09:37:17

New version uploaded thanks to my job's internet connxion.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: K4m1k4z3 on May 07, 2012, 22:56:42

Just got double jump, but DAMN. Getting back is HARD.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: toenail on May 08, 2012, 14:02:20

Maybe I should add a check point on the way back.
Found any feather yet ?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: K4m1k4z3 on May 08, 2012, 18:42:36

I don't have detector yet, I'm at this spot:

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(http://www.upload.ee/image/2326814/Clipboard01.jpg)
The jump over the water above is pretty hard, but do-able. But I always get stuck on one of the screens to the right (with 4 blocks that have some spikes on them) I can land there, get through, but I can't seem to make the jump to the right where the next savepoint is. There's like 21 squares than need to be jumped and I can't do it. Also the raindrops are pretty random/annoying at this point in the level.

EDIT: Nevermind, I made the jump, but those random raindrops killed me on the next screen...

EDIT: Fuck yeah, made it.

Yeah, I got the above powers plus detector now, how do I collect the feathers? I'm kinda confused about that.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: drwright on May 09, 2012, 20:06:40

How do you get the training to get run PU? All he asks is if I ready for training?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: toenail on May 09, 2012, 21:16:29

@K4m1k4z3
For the feathers they are in rooms hidden all around the temple.
The detector should help you find them. Also, there is a ghost with a helping tip waiting for you somewhere near the start of the temple.

@drwright
The trainer should have mentioned something about finding a dangerous creature stolen by one of the villagers. If you have played egomassive's level found with his mod, you should remember that:
-the block to enter the training requiers a golden creature
-messages can be hidden. Try pressing down in front of furnitures...

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: K4m1k4z3 on May 10, 2012, 23:23:57

Oh, I know where the feathers are and I think I have visited all the rooms, but it just says "This is one of the 7 feathers..." and I can't find an exit from the temple.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: toenail on May 11, 2012, 01:03:51

Quote from: K4m1k4z3 on May 10, 2012, 23:23:57

Oh, I know where the feathers are and I think I have visited all the rooms, but it just says "This is one of the 7 feathers..." and I can't find an exit from the temple.

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well, if you have some feathers, try going back to the entrance where your body lies.
If nothing happens, maybe you did not try all the ways from the equal sign.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: K4m1k4z3 on May 12, 2012, 14:19:46

Well, I'm giving up for now...

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(http://www.upload.ee/image/2337993/Clipboard01.jpg)

I always die at this screen, there's an invisible wall on the right that kills me. I have visited all 7 rooms with feathers (with detector), but I have no idea how to actually COLLECT the feathers. In each room only a message "THis is one of the 7 legendary feathers" appears and that's all. It's a shame, really, as I enjoyed the level very much.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Medium][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: toenail on May 12, 2012, 17:02:50

Quote from: K4m1k4z3 on May 12, 2012, 14:19:46

Well, I'm giving up for now...

 :shocked:
Oh no, this is terrible..
I had a problem with my PC and I had to restore the level.
I tested it and it was working. I think I mixed up the .bin file with the crashed one.

I uploaded a new version. It should correct the problem. You will have to go to all the feathers again however.
But there is more. I recommend you start all over again. At least, just before the temple. Remember the begining is easier than before.
I am realy upset about that. I really am sorry about this mistake.

Also, the new version contains the next dungeon.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: lamarblake on May 12, 2012, 17:42:51

Ok. downloaded the new version. It says I need to upgrade to a new version of KS. I have the latest. I installed in KS Ex and get the same message. What's up with that?

My ks version is 1.2.1 and as far as I know there is only one version of KS Ex.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: K4m1k4z3 on May 12, 2012, 17:50:07

Seems that you need the KS Ego Mod: http://nifflas.lpchip.nl/index.php?topic=4175.0

Oh noes, now I'm missing backgrounds and all...

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(http://www.upload.ee/image/2338640/Clipboard01.jpg)

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: lamarblake on May 12, 2012, 18:07:26

Thanks K4m1k4z3. Missed that one. I'm not here that much anymore. Off to play....

and I'm back...ditto on the missing background.  hmph.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: toenail on May 12, 2012, 18:13:03

Quote from: lamarblake on May 12, 2012, 18:07:26

Thanks K4m1k4z3. Missed that one. I'm not here that much anymore. Off to play....

well you should not rush. Apparently, the level is sort of broken.
I will look into it but I will probably not be able to upload it until monday.

@K4m1k4z3. Thanks for the heads up

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: toenail on May 12, 2012, 18:49:05

Quote from: K4m1k4z3 on May 12, 2012, 17:50:07

Seems that you need the KS Ego Mod: http://nifflas.lpchip.nl/index.php?topic=4175.0

Oh noes, now I'm missing backgrounds and all...

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

(http://www.upload.ee/image/2338640/Clipboard01.jpg)

I tried it quickly but I do not see the background problem.
I do not have time tonight to look further into it.
Here is a picture of the same screen with the bin I assed in the first post.
Still only got my phone to Access internet so sorry for the picture quality.
http://db.tt/ks6V55n0

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: lamarblake on May 12, 2012, 19:21:14

Looking at your pic Toenail, I see what's missing in what I downloaded is the background image. ..which is mountains I think.

Possibly the problem is with uploading via your phone? Idk fer sure as I'm not that adept at stuff like this.

I'm sure you'll figure it out! :)

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: GrayFace on May 12, 2012, 22:43:53

Here's the version from 07 May, I played through it and had no problems: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qjvkus1m51g5nul/toenail%20-%20The%20world%20is%20changing.knytt.bin?dl=1 (I've packed my folder, so it doesn't miss any graphics)
No restart is needed I believe.

Ok, here is a detailed description:

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I did a new run in the new version, cheated in a few already-done places. I found all feathers, 2 of them with hints. I missed one golden creature, although I had no problems finding all goldens on the 1st run. I liked collecting powerups, feathers and cats, basically everything except the problematic screens.
It's pretty strange how cats are shown as red artifacts as well as feathers, while golden creatures are shown as cats. I know ego's mod allows customizing this at least on powers bar.
I haven't noticed changes in difficulty, except in x978y1012, which was easy already. It's good that no challenge has been nerfed :) I did notice a few new save points.
A save point is needed on the way from x977y1006 to x974y1005, because x974y1005 takes a few tries to learn and screens before it take a long time. Another segment where I needed a save point the first time I went through the level is on the way back from x1005y1000 to x1003y1001, but a better fix is to remove the spiker in x1003y1001.
The golden creature at the house should be collectable from the beginning and the trainer should begin the training without asking for it. I do think walking to trainer and back is totally wrong, especially the facts that it requires doing exactly the same thing twice and walking all the way, and it doesn't add to the story in any positive way. Reusing these screens later on is good.
Going back with double jump is indeed a very hard part, but for me it was fine.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing
Post by: toenail on May 12, 2012, 23:22:57

Quote from: GrayFace on May 12, 2012, 22:43:53

Here's the version from 07 May, I played through it and had no problems: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/44735333/ks/toenail%20-%20The%20world%20is%20changing.knytt.bin (I've packed my folder, so it doesn't miss any graphics)
No restart is needed I believe

Well, when you say detailed description, you don't do it half way.
This is realy great! I will look into it.
As I said earlier, at first, I wanted to create a small but hard level. Runing around was part of the gameplay. But now that the level is big, I agree that the first part is anoying. I will look into it.
Regarding the difficulty, you are correct. I mainly added savepoints. I will check the ones you are suggesting.
As for the custom objects, feathers and cats are collectables. I did not see the point of using a single custom icon for them. The golden creatures are standard to ego's mod.

As for the missing golden creature

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cheating time : there is a screen, not visited while playing which helps me track which custom object I used. It does not say where each creature is but at least you know which one you are missing. It is somewhere alone under the village.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing v0.9.1
Post by: toenail on May 14, 2012, 10:41:08

Well, I can't find the problem with the background.
I have downloaded Knytt Stories 1.2.1 again + KS Ego's mod 5c.
I have installed my level from the download link I provided in the first post.
I did not experience any strange behaviour.
I did not use any custom background which makes it strange in the first place.

I compressed the level once more using the latest build of Egomassive's level editor.
I also added the couple of improvements suggested by GrayFace.


Has anybody else got the background issue ?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing v0.9.1
Post by: egomassive on May 14, 2012, 18:27:27

I suspect the missing backgrounds were due to the map.bin being corrupted, but I'm confused by the white background in K4m1k4z3's screen shot.I'm pretty sure that if you are experiencing the problem seen in the quote below, then you did not merge the Knytt Stories folder found in my mod download with the original Knytt Stories folder. My mod does not come with all the necessary data.

Quote from: K4m1k4z3 on May 12, 2012, 17:50:07

... Oh noes, now I'm missing backgrounds and all...

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

(http://www.upload.ee/image/2338640/Clipboard01.jpg)

@ toenail: I wouldn't be using my editor mod for compressing yet. It's a long way from being finished. The game mod can be edited and compressed with standard editors. Just make sure the EditorSettings.temp points to the correct executable.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing v0.9.1
Post by: K4m1k4z3 on May 14, 2012, 22:20:07

Oh snap, you were right, I didn't merge it.  C)

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing v0.9.1
Post by: K4m1k4z3 on May 16, 2012, 21:15:38

So, I've fixed the problems and I must say... Wow, this level is super sick.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing v0.9.1
Post by: toenail on May 19, 2012, 15:01:50

Quote from: K4m1k4z3 on May 16, 2012, 21:15:38

So, I've fixed the problems and I must say... Wow, this level is super sick.

I am not sure if this is suppose to be a good thing or a bad thing.

I have uploaded the last version of the level in the first post...

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing v1.0
Post by: lamarblake on May 19, 2012, 19:23:19

ok. installed the newest version. after leaving the first house Juni falls down and lands in between two other of the houses you can enter.  A place where she wouldn't or shouldn't be able to go.

I'm giving up on this one.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing v1.0
Post by: toenail on May 20, 2012, 14:35:29

Quote from: lamarblake on May 19, 2012, 19:23:19

ok. installed the newest version. after leaving the first house Juni falls down and lands in between two other of the houses you can enter.  A place where she wouldn't or shouldn't be able to go.

I'm giving up on this one.

I am really ashamed of releasing a level that has a bug on the first screen.  THis is really awfull.
I corrected it and did a complete run from scratch again to check the level (which I did not do for the previous release, shame on me  :moody:).

I hope you still want to play my level.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing v1.0.1
Post by: lamarblake on May 20, 2012, 14:55:01

Ok that last update fixing the falling bit but I'm still getting the missing backgrounds.

Screenies show what's going on. Any suggestions? Re download Ego Mod? Sorry to be such a bother but I would like to play your level. :)

*Update* May have just discovered my problem. Finally read the "Readme". (yeah, yeah, I know....) I do believe I did not merge the knytt stories folders. oops. off to try........

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing v1.0.1
Post by: toenail on May 20, 2012, 15:19:10

Quote from: lamarblake on May 20, 2012, 14:55:01

Ok that last update fixing the falling bit but I'm still getting the missing backgrounds.

Glad you found that. At least, not all the problems come from me which is a relief.  ;)

I have internet for a couple of hours. Don't hesitate to report any other issue you may encounter (hopefully, I checked everything this time).

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing v1.0.1
Post by: egomassive on May 21, 2012, 01:24:37

Hmm... I wonder how many people have the problem Lamarblake and K4m1k4z3 had. Maybe I should build a warning into the game mod that informs you if you make this mistake. I'm glad you used my mod to make a level Toenail. Several issues have been found thanks to you.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing v1.0.1
Post by: lamarblake on May 21, 2012, 06:26:07

well, I merged the mod today but guess what....yep, still have the missing backgrounds. hmmm Very likely user error on my part but too late tonight. am sweepy.....snore.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing v1.0.1
Post by: seattalite on June 26, 2012, 20:30:48

First of all, thank you for taking the time to make a new level based on the egomassive mod - I'm looking for all knytt stories levels I can find that use that particular mod - but I do have a serious criticism. I JUST started playing the game and while it's your option to start the game with no power-ups - it is proving to be nothing less than a serious design flaw based on the way you constructed the game (topography + adversaries, etc). It is beyond frustrating trying to get past the 3rd or 4th screen only being able to walk with no high/double jump. To the point where I basically decided it was not worth it and (for now) quit. I don't mind hard challenges but give us power-ups FIRST and put the more difficult challenges later in the game (WITH save points!!)


just my opinion.

thanks again. (I'll give it another shot later)

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing v1.0.1
Post by: seattalite on June 26, 2012, 22:24:16

Oh no! Wait a minute - you mean I have to walk/get through all the way to the sitting dude by the yellow box/gate and THEN I have to go all the way back to the village (to collect an animal) and come back - WITHOUT power-ups?!!?!?!?

Seriously bad - atrocious even game design. sorry.

but you should really follow nifflas' design principles when constructing a level and this ain't it.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing v1.0.1
Post by: toenail on June 27, 2012, 09:39:16

Hi,

Thank you for your review. You are, I am afraid, completely right regarding this, as well as not the first to mention it.
As I explained, when I started this level, I was trying to do a small one which would be articficialy made bigger by making player go back to the town.
It is a bad level design.
Around that time, I started having a lot of spare time so the level grew much bigger than expected.
Following a similar comment, I changed the begining to remove this obligation to walk back to the village, as long as you do some exploration before going to the training.
If you visit the houses before walking right, you can get the golden creature.

I am still working on the level but I now have much less time on my hand.
I will completely change this first part so players are not giving up with frustration. I am not sure when it will happen though.

I hope you try and get past the first dungeon to see the rest as well.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][Ego Mod] The World is Changing v1.0.1
Post by: seattalite on June 28, 2012, 23:56:17

Quote from: toenail on June 27, 2012, 09:39:16

Hi,

Thank you for your review. You are, I am afraid, completely right regarding this, as well as not the first to mention it.
As I explained, when I started this level, I was trying to do a small one which would be articficialy made bigger by making player go back to the town.
It is a bad level design.
Around that time, I started having a lot of spare time so the level grew much bigger than expected.
Following a similar comment, I changed the begining to remove this obligation to walk back to the village, as long as you do some exploration before going to the training.
If you visit the houses before walking right, you can get the golden creature.

I am still working on the level but I now have much less time on my hand.
I will completely change this first part so players are not giving up with frustration. I am not sure when it will happen though.

I hope you try and get past the first dungeon to see the rest as well.

thank you. and I didn't mean to come across as so angry or harsh. I was just frustrated after just playing the game. lol. sorry about that. I appreciate the effort of making the game though. I love KS. and I really like the egomass mod and haven't seen to many people take the effort of using it in their design.  so thanks again.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][KS+] The World is Changing v1.0.2
Post by: toenail on February 12, 2013, 23:09:50

Just in time for the Epic KS Level Competition (http://nifflas.lpchip.nl/index.php?topic=5308.0), I did a small update of the level to add the new custom umbrella offered with the latest version of KS+.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][KS+] The World is Changing v1.0.2
Post by: Fubaka on February 13, 2013, 14:39:28

I agree with seattalite.  This level starts off way too hard, and it turns me off from wanting to play the rest of it.

It's okay to start Juni off with no powers. (I did so in my own level), but it needs to be made clear that if you have no powerups, the challenges (if there are any) should be more mild, unless it's the point of the entire level to go slowly.

Thing is though, that people typically do not like having to go slowly for very long, and pin-point accuracy on jumps is harder to attain when you can't run.

If you do not want to make this part easier, then reclassify your difficulty to 'Very Hard' at the least.  It definitely does not fit the bill of plain ol' Hard, at least going by how Nifflas handled the difficulty ratings.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][KS+] The World is Changing v1.0.2
Post by: pfrangip on February 16, 2013, 18:07:16

Just stopped playing this level. I got through the undead temple, got all the feathers (and two creatures), got to the bridge where I need 5 gold coins. I went back to the undead temple to see if I missed somthing, and it "killed" me and made me a ghost again, with no powers. I'm not going through that again so I guess I'm stopping.

The good: Great first level! Your puzzles are good, and extremely difficult... I would put them on the upper end of "VERY HARD." It's clear you put a lot of work into this, and other than the one game-ending bug, I didn't see too many bugs throughout (no voids, no wall-floats).   

The bad: What everyone else has said, especially regarding the World of the Living. You need more save points... I think one every two screens is standard, especially if it involves a lot of running back and forth AND you don't get new power-ups to help out each time. It's extremely difficult, and sometimes it feels like its not my fault, but just waiting for random monsters/drips/whatever to just go my way. It wasn't really intuitive on what to do after getting all the feathers, I had to come to the forum to find the answer of going back to Juni.

Also, there seems to be a bug, perhaps with KS+, where going in between screens with the umbrella open, when there are a lot of "air-currents" on screen that there is a .25 second "lag" to load the screen. This normally doesn't seem like much, but a lot of the wind levels involve navigating between screens as one fluid entity, and a quarter second will throw off opening/closing the umbrella when you need to. This isn't your fault, but it does make the wind-room umbrella levels more frustrating. In the future, if using KS+, you should make sure that each screen represents one challenge, and going between screens doesn't require coordination.

Level design is a little bland. There were some levels in the Underworld that had no borders that would just kill you and there several where I wasn't sure which direction to go. Additionally, it the temple could use a little more depth... a little more flair to make it feel more like a setting, a temple and less like a random mario challenge world.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][KS+] The World is Changing v1.0.2
Post by: Chrysophylax on February 26, 2013, 15:59:55

There seems to be a problem with the path to the temple double jump - specifically, if you save on the path back then you are stuck forever, since the return journey is only possible with the double jump. Fortunately you can cheat.

I must agree with the previous reviews. I suggest playing through it and asking yourself whether you are having fun. A major problem is your underuse of save points. These should be placed so as to minimise the penalty for dying - having no save points for three rooms of challenges is adding difficulty, but having no save points for five rooms of filler beforehand is a way to make the player not want to play.


Edit: Hooray! The temple resets itself! I left, came back later and got trapped! Who wants another trip through that hellhole? Hint - not me! It would also be great if there was some slight hint about where the cats might be.

The level is definitely Very Hard with broken areas and bits of beyond-Lunatic difficulty. I've not encountered anything I can't do without cheating, but I have encountered a number of places where pixel-perfect jumping is required to cross a gap. In general, you should aim to make the player feel like they could win if they just tried a little harder, not to make the player feel that they need to get lucky or have absurd reaction times. Beating a challenge should be about skill, not about brute force.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][KS+] The World is Changing v1.0.2
Post by: Sleem on March 01, 2013, 13:29:47

I would like to point out that my playthrough of this level has been documented in the form of a Let's Play. Hopefully, this fact is not as insignificant as I suspect it might be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnQhajl-2N0

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][KS+] The World is Changing v1.0.2
Post by: pfrangip on March 01, 2013, 14:27:25

Quote from: Sleem on March 01, 2013, 13:29:47

I would like to point out that my playthrough of this level has been documented in the form of a Let's Play. Hopefully, this fact is not as insignificant as I suspect it might be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnQhajl-2N0

The real question is: how far did you get?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][KS+] The World is Changing v1.0.2
Post by: Sleem on March 01, 2013, 15:12:56

Quote from: pfrangip on March 01, 2013, 14:27:25

Quote from: Sleem on March 01, 2013, 13:29:47

I would like to point out that my playthrough of this level has been documented in the form of a Let's Play. Hopefully, this fact is not as insignificant as I suspect it might be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnQhajl-2N0

The real question is: how far did you get?

Oh, I'm not done yet. There will be more.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][KS+] The World is Changing v1.0.2
Post by: toenail on March 08, 2013, 10:15:09

Sorry for not answering the questions. I have unfortunately no time at the moment for KS.
I'll take your feedback into account and correct the errors pointed out as soon as possible.
Thank you for your feedbacks.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][KS+] The World is Changing v1.0.2
Post by: misterJNR on May 17, 2013, 00:59:20

hey toenail,

just wanted to let you know that i've discovered 4 Endings yet (without any kind of cheating) and till now everything worked pretty well. It sure is by far the hardest KS game that I've played but its very diversified and i like it. Maybe you could think of not using that many randomly shooting monsters because they can be very annoying. But the extreme timing/coordination-challenges and the mysteries are very nice (btw. i'm using a gamepad with xPadder  ;) )
I'm a bit stuck at the moment (currently trying to find more coins or the hologram-thing), but not about to give up yet.
sry for the bad english (I'm german..) and thank you for this epically long knytt story!

JNR

P.S. Hello Everyone, this is my first post; knytt is great!; cheers!

Title: Re: [Challenge/Misc][Large][Hard][KS+] The World is Changing v1.0.2
Post by: juhj on September 07, 2013, 18:32:53

I can't find the fifth and sixth cat.

EDIT: But I must say that it's very nice so far. Gives a :hiddenstar: