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Released Games => FiNCK => Topic started by: Nifflas on May 17, 2010, 17:09:53

Title: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Nifflas on May 17, 2010, 17:09:53

Due to me changing a lot about how I work with Kreator and with game development, FiNCK will now be "free, kind of" which means that the main FiNCK world is free and only custom level support is an add-on that can be purchased. This is to maximize how much the game will spread since I'm no longer going to spend time and resources marketing what I do.

If you have developed a third party level for the beta testing competition, there's a separate thread in the beta testing area where I explain this more in detail, in case you don't want your level in the third party pack due to this change.

Anyway, before FiNCK is released in one week, I'm going to have an open testing phase. Ladies and gentlemen, I hereby present:

FiNCK as an installer (http://www.ni2.se/nifflas/content/FiNCK/FiNCK%20(pre-release%201).exe)
FiNCK as a portable build (http://www.ni2.se/nifflas/content/FiNCK/FiNCK%20(pre-release%201).zip)
...and The FiNCK level editor (http://www.ni2.se/nifflas/content/FiNCK/Editor%20(pre-release%201).zip) (you'll need the custom level support to be activated to test your levels though).

Feel free to try the game, but please don't tell every website about it quite yet. This is not the 1.0 version. The official release is in one week, and that's the version I want to give most attention to!

Edit by LPChip: Emphrased the last part. Its easy to miss in a swing of enthusiasm. C)

Edit by Nifflas: Thank you!

Edit by LPChip: You're welcome. :D

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 18, 2010, 02:19:44

Quote from: Nifflas on May 17, 2010, 17:09:53

Edit by LPChip: Emphrased the last part. Its easy to miss in a swing of enthusiasm. C)

I second this. :P Also, do FiNCK levels have a place to be released, or is a spot going to open on the forum when the game is released? Or do we have to wait until KnyttLevels is done? Or will LPChip kill me for even mentioning that? Or will he kill me for assuming he would kill me for mentioning that? Or...

Blargh. I should be talking about the actual game.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Nifflas on May 18, 2010, 02:28:13

There won't be a level database right away, but I'd appreciate if there could be a level section at the forums until a level database is up.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 18, 2010, 03:32:02

Spoiler: Mega Spoilers (click to show/hide)

Oh my god was that bomber dude at the end a boss? That was cool! Looks like I missed a lot of coins. Better go play it again.

Edit: That challenge with the 2* blue jumper. That was so awesome! When I finally thought of the answer I was all like, "Oh!"

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: deathtotheweird on May 18, 2010, 21:27:23

Hm, odd. How much will it be for custom level support?

Seeing the great things people made for Knytt Stories guarantees a purchase from me. I just hope others see it that way too.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Nifflas on May 18, 2010, 22:19:36

Probably around $4 or so.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: DeceasedCrab on May 19, 2010, 02:42:19

The physics when pushing against explodable bricks seem... bouncy. Generally brick walls don't knock people into pits.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: LB on May 19, 2010, 02:56:09

Nifflas, any tips for the bomb-dropping killer boss dude? I have tried over a hundred times (somone in my familay was bored so they watched me play and counted it) and I cannot do it! I got sooo close one time but then got blown up when I was in mid jump, nowhere near anything! I was just sitting there and I blew up. No, I didn't hit space bar.

Anyway, any tips? I have been stacking blocks at the far right but every time I am about to get the last block I need I die.


Also, in the tutorial, I managed to get all the way up-right and I sawe another area. No matter how I stacked the blocks I couldn't get over the top of the screen. What is that area over there?

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 19, 2010, 03:01:45

Spoiler: Boss (click to show/hide)

Keep track of the bombs that are about to hit zero. Make sure you give them wide birth. Wait for the boss to be on one side of the screen, then jump over him. You should only need all the brown boxes, so just toss them down before heading out. Also, don't touch the boss.

I didn't find it all that hard, so I'm afraid I can't give you many pointers.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: LimeLemon on May 19, 2010, 09:35:09

Quote from: Purple Pineapple on May 19, 2010, 03:01:45

Spoiler: Boss (click to show/hide)

Keep track of the bombs that are about to hit zero. Make sure you give them wide birth. Wait for the boss to be on one side of the screen, then jump over him. You should only need all the brown boxes, so just toss them down before heading out. Also, don't touch the boss.

I didn't find it all that hard, so I'm afraid I can't give you many pointers.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Toss all boxes to the other side and you will only have to jump over him once.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: AA on May 19, 2010, 10:33:28

Spoiler: Question about coin collection completion (click to show/hide)

I missed a coin in the Tutorial - not the one you can only get from the Warp Zone - and now that I'm at the end, I can't find a way to get back to that area. Am I screwed?

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: DoomGoon on May 19, 2010, 10:35:29

Has anyone else gotten all 25 coins yet or am I one of the first?  Nifflas days are special and I tend to tear through the game as quick as I can... I was the first to find some of the weirder stuff in Saira, but besides the paths you take to get all the coins, haven't noticed any easter eggs.... yet.  I'd feel really dumb making a 100% guide or secrets post before the game is even officially out.   :oops:

Once again though, wonderful game!  The physics for the blocks did feel like they needed to be polished up a tiny bit... and this game was even shorter (and had much more backtracking to 100%) than Saira.  I know that it's a puzzle game but I would have loved to see some more action-oriented enemies and maybe a life system ala SMB2 for when the community makes their own levels.  However, I'm looking forward to screwing around with the game to see what I can do.  Thanks again for an awesome release.  :D

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: DoomGoon on May 19, 2010, 10:51:37

Quote from: AA on May 19, 2010, 10:33:28

Asking for help

If I remember correctly, you don't actually get any of the coins going straight through the tutorial.  The one you are missing is from a door in:

Spoiler: this place (click to show/hide)

Area 2.  From the warp door go into the blue door on the right.  In this room, go into the blue door at the bottom instead of bombing and going up with the birds.  It'll lead you to the non-warp coin of the tutorial. 

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: AA on May 19, 2010, 12:29:08

Thanks a lot for the quick reply C)

EDIT:

Quote

I was the first to find some of the weirder stuff in Saira, but besides the paths you take to get all the coins, haven't noticed any easter eggs....

Spoiler: As an easter egg, does this count? (click to show/hide)

There's a shortcut from Area 1 to 5. I guess it really isn't an easter egg, but it's quite well hidden.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 20, 2010, 02:42:39

Quote from: DoomGoon on May 19, 2010, 10:35:29

Has anyone else gotten all 25 coins yet or am I one of the first?

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

23. I can't get past the room with the blue box, 2 brown boxes, 2 birds, times slo-down, and blue bouncer. I know where the 24 coin gate is, though, so I've pretty much got 23¹/₃ coins. :P

Edit: 24

Edit: ²  Wow. Just wow.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

The 'secret' shortcut to level 4 from level 2? That's where the coin was? Every single time I passed that I though Naw. I don't need to use shortcuts. And then I get lazy and use it.. now I feel so stupid. X)

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Nifflas on May 20, 2010, 12:10:00

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Err, there should be no coins at any of the shortcuts. However, the shortcut from World 2 to World 4 actually gets you to the entrance room to the secret area, but you can get there directly from World 4 too.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: CheezyWEAPON on May 20, 2010, 19:55:16

hm, is lvl 1-5 (the area with the one bird, two ice blocks and trigger bomb) supposed to be this hard?

I know what I'm supposed to do, but the ice block doesn't stop in the middle of the platform. A lot of these puzzles require careful footwork, a bit of luck, and knowing how the blocks flow, and I can't quite get it to work. I had to edit the puzzle so the block had a stopper before it drops and hit the ground (but not so much that it made the puzzle too easy).

Also.. I wonder if there was a way to upscale the game screen. Like 2x. I have a high resolution monitor and its.. kinda hard to see. It'd be nice if it scaled evenly (thus the 2x). I don't mind big chunky pixels. I love em.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 21, 2010, 01:10:25

@CheezyWEAPON:

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Actually, you're supposed to trigger the bird and the box to collide after sending them both down different tunnels. At least that's the way I did it. Agreed, that puzzle is a bit luck-based, but it's only for a coin, after all.

Quote from: Nifflas on May 20, 2010, 12:10:00

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

but you can get there directly from World 4 too.

Ohhhh.. *facepalm*

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Nifflas on May 21, 2010, 12:52:32

Yeah, basically you throw the bird into the top tunnel, then wait a little bit and throw the ice block into the bottom one. There's no aspect of getting the ice block to stop involved. I was considering to change that puzzle, but then some people said they really liked it so I decided to just let it be that way.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 22, 2010, 01:35:31

Coulda made the tunnels a bit shorter. But I suppose that would defeat the point of having the under-tunnel.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: truestep on May 22, 2010, 09:18:13

The game is not so atmospheric and artistic like previous knytts, saira, wadf. And big pixels - graphic is not smooth. Previous games were beautiful, and this one is just regular game without charm like before, nothing special. It doesn't rejoice the eyes (As for me).

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: AClockworkLemon on May 22, 2010, 10:03:45

I must say i kinda liked the new graphic style. Instead of being based on environment, the game is based on gameplay, so i can see why the graphics have been toned down a little.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: PONTO on May 22, 2010, 11:51:58

Quote from: truestep on May 22, 2010, 09:18:13

The game is not so atmospheric and artistic like previous knytts, saira, wadf. And big pixels - graphic is not smooth. Previous games were beautiful, and this one is just regular game without charm like before, nothing special. It doesn't rejoice the eyes (As for me).

When I first played it (even before the graphic overhaul the game went by), at first I felt a bit disappointed too, but the next day for some reason I found it incredibly beautiful. Perhaps it was the calm yet sad music from Area 1 which reminded me of the Hidden secret in WaDF, I don't know. Now FiNCK is one of my favorites, among Nifflas' games. Better than Knytt, if you ask me, and almost on par with #mas2 and WaDF.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: smeagle on May 22, 2010, 12:16:49

 :D really fun!

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Nifflas on May 22, 2010, 12:24:43

Quote from: truestep on May 22, 2010, 09:18:13

The game is not so atmospheric and artistic like previous knytts, saira, wadf. And big pixels - graphic is not smooth. Previous games were beautiful, and this one is just regular game without charm like before, nothing special. It doesn't rejoice the eyes (As for me).

This is already explained at the website. I can't keep the atmospheric stuff up all the time, I need a break from that too and create something that doesn't really mean anything, just because it's fun to create. It's impossible to keep up creating atmospheric games if I'm never allowed to even once take a break from it. Just doing something different once in a while is important to see things from a new perspective. I could never have created Night Sky if all I did was games about balls, and I could never have created Saira if every previous game was based on photographs.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: back seat astronaut on May 22, 2010, 22:09:52

From the beginning the way I saw the style of this game was the Nifflas seemed to be "returning to his roots" by making more quirky and unpolished type of indie game.  The inspirations of Super Mario Bros. 2 and Lyle in Cube Sector also hinted at this.  LiCS is also a game that uses simple graphics on purpose.  For those of us who grew up playing NES (I'm around the same age as Nifflas) we remember how fun (but also atmospheric in their own way) games could be even with very simple graphics. 

Also, one thing I like about making levels for FiNCK is that I can try to focus on making them fun to play in a way that's similar to old NES games, whereas with Knytt Stories it's so hard to create beautiful atmospheres that I'm too perfectionist and never finish anything.  With FiNCK there's less pressure to make everything beautiful and its frees you up to focus on the level design itself.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: LB on May 23, 2010, 02:59:50

OK so I finally beat this game and I have been going back to get all the coins I missed.

Spoiler: only click this if you are trying to speed run (click to show/hide)

I found a secret place in area 1 that lets you get all the way from there to the final boss in just two rooms. Take the bird that makes you fly high forever to the far right side of the screen in the very first room, and try and get under the right side with it. Fly over there and go through the door. The from there I will leave you to figure it out ;)

Some of the coins and secret dorrs seem impossible to get to!

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Like the one with the orange tile platforms that lead to the door, but are blocking the key. How are you even supposed to do that!?

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 23, 2010, 06:49:07

Quote from: LB on May 23, 2010, 02:59:50

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Like the one with the orange tile platforms that lead to the door, but are blocking the key. How are you even supposed to do that!?

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Grab the bomb, don't touch the buttons. Set down the bomb on a lower level and release the orange blocks. Jump and throw the key onto the upper platform, then use the bomb to double jump up there yourself.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: grimwit on May 23, 2010, 16:36:09

Alright, I just finished the game and I gotta say, wow.  There's allot here in just the free release.  The game play is simple enough to pick up, but the variety of object and creatures lends itself to endless combination of puzzle.  Bravo.

In other words, I can tell it's specifically geared toward custom content.  Very awesome.

I will wait until the final release before I get the level creator.  Man.  Very cool stuff, Niff.  Very Cool.

<_<  The only thing missing was the potion that makes magic doors.

Oh, and turnips.  Couldn't find turnips.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 23, 2010, 18:15:25

Spoiler: MEGASPOILER (click to show/hide)

I seem to be unable to summon an ice block with the new clothes. (Possibly flashlight as well, but I didn't try)

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Nifflas on May 23, 2010, 19:31:39

Ah, true, there are some objects that can't be summoned, such as ice blocks or a few enemy types. Perhaps I should have added those, I could actually do it tomorrow before the release if I'm quick. I'll add it on the to-do list.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: back seat astronaut on May 23, 2010, 20:04:24

Quote from: grimwit on May 23, 2010, 16:36:09

<_<  The only thing missing was the potion that makes magic doors.

In the level I made during beta testing there is a sort of homage to the "mirror world" that those doors go to in Super Mario Bros. 2.  I did it on purpose to reference SMB2 which is also one of my favorite classic games.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: LB on May 23, 2010, 20:31:50

OK, I have found more coins and secrets (yay) but I am at a complete loss of how to get that one coin in the desert area at the top left. And I can't find any other coins than that one! This is driving me mental; if somone doesn't hint me with what I need to do I might go insane. :crazy:

But so far this game is excellent, not only in look and gameplay but the extreame diry cleverness of the abundant puzzles. This is some very nice work that I am sure will sell easily! Congrats on another greate game, Nifflas!

I have found some bugs that I cannot recall at this time but I will post them as I can. ;)

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: PONTO on May 23, 2010, 20:46:42

Heh! Putting that coin in that place was a suggestion of mine! :D

Spoiler: Hint (click to show/hide)

Isn't there anything you can use as a block?

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 23, 2010, 20:51:06

Quote from: LB on May 23, 2010, 20:31:50

OK, I have found more coins and secrets (yay) but I am at a complete loss of how to get that one coin in the desert area at the top left. And I can't find any other coins than that one! This is driving me mental; if somone doesn't hint me with what I need to do I might go insane. :crazy:

Spoiler: Extremely vague hint (click to show/hide)

The cookie jar is out of reach

Spoiler: bigger hint (click to show/hide)

Can you find something to stand on?

Spoiler: explicit solution (click to show/hide)

Jump over the three cactus balls and get two of the brown trapezoidish enemies in the pit on the left. Set on of them down, running to the right. Quickly pick up the other one. The first will walk into the cacti, knock them over, then come back. This should give you enough time to stand on his head, still holding the other guy. While the walking one is still on the higher level and not in the pit, jump off his head and use the other one that you are carrying to double jump up to the lower ledge. From there you can get the coin.

Edit: :( Someone always beats me to it.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Pie_Sniper on May 23, 2010, 22:15:27

FiNCK is extremely fun! Although it definitely had me raging some a lot of the time. I wish it was longer, but I guess that's what the editor is for. :)

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: LB on May 23, 2010, 22:19:52

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

In area 4 (took the shorcut from area 2 to see if that could help, but it didn't) there is a locked door and no key. What is the point of this?

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 23, 2010, 22:23:09

Quote from: LB on May 23, 2010, 22:19:52

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

In area 4 (took the shorcut from area 2 to see if that could help, but it didn't) there is a locked door and no key. What is the point of this?

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Flashlight?

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: LB on May 23, 2010, 22:35:02

Oh, I haven't gotten all the coins yet so I don't have any of those mystical powerup thingies to make me even more late to class. XD

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: yohji on May 23, 2010, 22:46:58

OK, I feel kind of stupid, but I can't get past the second desert area (Area 4-2, I guess), the one with the two bomb-spewing machines and a small critter. I can break the central walls easily, but the bombs explode way too fast to get one of them to the wall that blocks the exit... maybe I should've taken that clock device earlier? But I jettisoned it during a jump to get to said area, that jump was impossible otherwise :(

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 23, 2010, 22:56:13

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Take the spawner, not the bombs.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: yohji on May 23, 2010, 22:58:53

Quote from: Purple Pineapple on May 23, 2010, 22:56:13

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Take the spawner, not the bombs.

Ergh... I would never think of that :crazy: Thanks :)

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: LB on May 24, 2010, 01:49:07

OK, just one coin to go until I have 24/25, and I am at a complete loss of how to get the coin I need.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

The room with the double-sized blue bouncer thing and the red bird. You know it I am sure. I have tried several different ways many different times, and I am hoping somone can hint me on what the best route is. Right now I was trying to let go of the bird through the smaller hole then grab it again, but it is proving VERY difficult. I almost had it once, but I had too much down velocity and I fell off the stage. with my bird.

Thanks to everyone for being a great help so far! If I didn't have help this game would be too hard to play and thus boring, but you have helped me find an interest in this very challenging game. :)

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 24, 2010, 02:11:26

Quote from: LB on May 24, 2010, 01:49:07

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

The room with the double-sized blue bouncer thing and the red bird. You know it I am sure. I have tried several different ways many different times, and I am hoping somone can hint me on what the best route is. Right now I was trying to let go of the bird through the smaller hole then grab it again, but it is proving VERY difficult. I almost had it once, but I had too much down velocity and I fell off the stage. with my bird.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Place the 2*blue over the small hole. Throw the red bird down to the lower level and pick it up again. Fly over to the hole. You will be unable to pass through because of the blue guy. When he jumps, it should push you down the correct amount to grab the coin.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: LB on May 24, 2010, 02:16:41

Oh wow that was simple! Thankyou sooo much! :nuts:

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 24, 2010, 02:27:58

No problem. Took me awhile to figure out.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: LB on May 24, 2010, 02:51:38

Well, thanks for everyone's help. I got all the coins and beat the game, and I have to say that Nifflas has a good idea here:

Quote from: Nifflas on May 23, 2010, 19:31:39

Ah, true, there are some objects that can't be summoned, such as ice blocks or a few enemy types. Perhaps I should have added those, I could actually do it tomorrow before the release if I'm quick. I'll add it on the to-do list.

Including every default object for the random summoning would be great. :D

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 24, 2010, 03:38:32

Quote from: LB on May 24, 2010, 02:51:38

Including every default object for the random summoning would be great. :D

Like the boss. :nuts:

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Firecat on May 24, 2010, 05:17:27

I kind of like the game. Quite easy to end, but frustanting to complete. Some levels have puzzle that are a lot harder to execute that to think about.Like,for example, i know what to do in the cave sector of the area 5 (the one with a red bird, a ''brown trapezoidish enemy" ,a jumper, a key, and a trigger bomb.) but its frustatingly hard.

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 24, 2010, 05:46:38

Quote from: Firecat on May 24, 2010, 05:17:27

the one with a red bird, a ''brown trapezoidish enemy" ,a jumper, a key, and a trigger bomb.

That level was so hard! Every single time I would miss one small thing and I was all like, "No! I forgot to not kill the trapezoid." :P

Title: Re: Download pre-release version 1 here
Post by: Pie_Sniper on May 24, 2010, 06:27:54

That's a clever solution to that room, Purple Pineapple.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I just flew over the spikes with the red bird, threw it down on the spikeless ledge, jumped on top of it and hit A as the bird and I fell. It took a number of tries; I wish I had thought of your method! :P