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Title: [Challenge/Puzzle][Medium][Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on April 18, 2010, 01:19:34

The Legend of the White Elephant

Type: Challenge/Puzzle
Size: Medium
Difficulty: Hard (starts easy and gets progressively more difficult)


Story:

Many centuries ago, eight gods forged a pact with the Knytts: their village would be under the gods' protection and shielded from any danger... as long as the sacred beast, the White Elephant, was allowed to live peacefully in the village. But then, one fateful day, the elephant disappeared and the Knytts feared the wrath of the eight gods would bring doom to their beloved village. To save the Knytt Village from the impending catastrophe, Juni has to rescue the White Elephant from the hands of the evil villain "Cubata-Thrower"... a dark sorcerer who plans to use the magical energy of the sacred beast to make himself even more powerful. To do so, Juni will have to explore the land, recover ancient magical artifacts and overcome many traps, until she finally reachs her destination.


Screenshots: (taken from the preview thread)

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/359/wepreview2.png)


(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6964/wepreview7.png)


(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8103/wepreview8.png)


(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/6120/wepreview5.png)


(http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9092/wepreview6.png)

Notes:

* This level assumes you've played, at least, the Knytt Stories tutorial. If for some bizarre reason, you've not played it yet... well, what are you waiting for? :P

* All the in-game text was originally in Spanish, so I had to translate it into English before the public release. If the dialogue seems confusing and/or sounds really stupid (when it shouldn't, that is), come back to this thread and bitch about my poor writing X)  If you report a mistake or suggest a correct replacement for any text line that sounds strange, I'll give you my thanks and a virtual cookie.


Hints: (this contains spoilers for the puzzles -- read it if you're stuck)

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

* The "action key" (Down) is used often in the puzzles. If you get stuck at a screen and don't know how to proceed, try pressing Down at a fishy spot (there will be usually a subtle hint).

* If you find a certain section of the game to be a trial-and-error fest, you are probably missing a power-up. Backtrack a few screens and search thoroughly.

* The last challenge requires good use of a certain power-up. If you're having trouble at that screen, do not resort to "brute force" and re-think your strategy carefully.

* To access the secret area, you'll need to: a) Find the secret entrance; and b) Find the four colored keys to unlock it. You can do it just after getting the last power-up, but you can also finish the game normally and reload the last save (the game's automatically saved after the last challenge, so you can backtrack and search for the secret area or any missing keys).

Author commentary: (pretty boring, click on spoiler tag to read)

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Finally... my first public release :D  It's been more than 4 months since I started working on this level, which I originally intended to be just a simple joke level for my close friends. As I was learning more about the KS level editor, I started to improve the design little by little and add platforming challenges and puzzles... and then I decided to spend more time on it and make a full adventure to share with the entire KS community. This is my way of repaying the KS level authors for all the good moments I had playing their great adventures :)

I'm not gonna lie to you and hype this level saying it's an innovative masterpiece or some stupid thing like that. This is my first attempt at designing a KS adventure, and it shows. Many of you may find this level too simplistic and visually mediocre, as I'm not used to making custom tilesets/objects and complex backgrounds. Still, I tried my hardest at making a decent-looking adventure that could be enjoyed by both novice and seasoned players. I included some challenges and puzzles that I've not seen in other KS levels. If you decide to give this level a try, I'm fairly convinced you'll have a nice time playing it (although it's pretty short... you can finish it in 1-2 hours even if you're playing it for the first time).

The story, despite seeming a little too serious, is not (the bad guy's name is a big hint  XD ). You'll find stupid jokes and absurd references here and there. The truth is, many of the events of this game are actually a parody of some funny episodes of mine and my friend's real life. However, the game is completely playable as is and you don't need to be aware of anything special to be able to enjoy it (but if any of you wants to know more for some bizarre reason... well, I suppose I could explain a bit  :P2 )

One more thing: version 0.9 is a beta release. Although it's practically finished, there are still missing details such as the final illustrations (I had to use rough drafts except for the only 3 scenes that are already colored). Seeing that my sister (the artist) won't come back home until July, I decided to not delay the release anymore and upload this beta. When the drawings are finished and I have time to revise the english translation, I'll release a second, final version. Of course, I'd be happy to hear your opinion and any suggestions you want to make. I'll take any feedback into account for the final version (and for other future possible projects).

Having said that... here's the download link for this level. I hope you enjoy it as much as I enjoyed making it :)

Download link:

Version 1.0 (http://knyttlevels.com/levels/Vegetal%20Gibber%20-%20The%20White%20Elephant.knytt.bin)

Spoiler: Older versions (click to show/hide)

Version 0.9.1 (http://knyttlevels.com/levels/Vegetal%20Gibber%20-%20The%20White%20Elephant%20v0.9.1.knytt.bin)
Spanish version 0.9.1 (http://knyttlevels.com/levels/Vegetal%20Gibber%20-%20El%20Elefante%20Blanco%20v0.9.1.knytt.bin)

Walkthrough: See the attached text file. WARNING: Contains cringeworthy jokes and poor English.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Purple Pineapple on April 18, 2010, 01:59:14

Yay! Playing now.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: ElMirador on April 18, 2010, 13:25:48

I'm stucked in Maze of Owl...
Still trying.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on April 18, 2010, 13:38:39

Hint for the maze:

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

The sign at the entrance warns you to not enter the maze without "directions" or a "compass". If you have neither one, check the eastern section of the forest. It may look like a pointless screen, but there's something that should strike you as odd...

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Purple Pineapple on April 18, 2010, 17:34:10

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I suppose the 'compass' would refer to umbrella?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on April 18, 2010, 18:24:42

Hint for Purple Pineapple:

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Nope... you do need to use the umbrella at a certain screen that you can reach via the maze, but the "compass" refers to another power-up. However, that has nothing to do with said screen... it's actually a different puzzle.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Purple Pineapple on April 18, 2010, 23:45:59

Quote from: Vegetal Gibber on April 18, 2010, 18:24:42

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Nope... you do need to use the umbrella at a certain screen that you can reach via the maze, but the "compass" refers to another power-up.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I've already reached the umbrella(wind) screen. I was just wondering because I hadn't seen any need for another power-up yet.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on April 19, 2010, 00:31:22

It doesn't matter at that point, but it would be a good idea to remember that detail. Try coming back to the maze later to re-explore it and see what happens.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Mr. Monkey on April 19, 2010, 05:01:04

why is there lisp in the GD's lair o__________________________________________________o

(maybe this will be explained later)

Spoiler: alsos (click to show/hide)

Also I activated the magical updraft mechanism then tried to go right and I got a void. (EDIT: this was, of course, before I got the detector - the mechanism switch seems to have disappeared and with it the void, now)

EDIT: Also also, I pretty much cheesed (is that a word?) all the spikes with my hologram (is it normal to have the hologram by then or was I just lucky in finding it first?).

• The ordering of challenges in the pagoda leads me to believe I did things properly.

EDIT: Oh man I was in the pagoda and I fell into shiftland, and in an attempt to recover, I tried jumping left, and got a wallswim.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: ElMirador on April 19, 2010, 07:22:41

Thanks Vegetal Gibber!
I know the directions now~ X)

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on April 19, 2010, 12:41:15

The LISP code is just a nerdy reference to a team project I did at the university (computer engineering). Basically, instead of writing a lot of separate loops and auxiliary functions to process an array, I just put a beast of a loop nested into the "make-array" sentence... and when my friend was revising the code, he started to panic and freaked out saying things like "OMG OMG loop from hell!!". I decided to put these code lines in the game just for kicks X)

Spoiler: (for Mr. Monkey) (click to show/hide)

1) Thanks for the info :)  I'll fix this right away.

2) Yes, it's normal, the hologram is the last power-up you get. I made this level having both novice and expert players in mind. If you know the hologram disables the spikes, well, good for you. If not... though luck :P  Also, you probably have crossed the spikes before, when you didn't know what to do and lacked the eyeball thingy. But maybe you're right, that part would be too easy if you do it that way. I should replace some of these spikes with a similar trap, like a custom "fixed spike" and a "hurt" invisible object (being a desert, I can't just put happy death juice there :P )

3) Man, I sure screwed up a lot  :oops:  I'll check that, thanks for the report.

Oh, and thanks again for allowing me to edit your tileset :)

ElMirador: you're welcome :)

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on April 21, 2010, 21:58:01

I don't think I should make another thread for this, so I'll just update this one: I uploaded a new beta version of the level (0.9.1) and a Spanish version of the game. Both have fixes for the errors reported by Mr. Monkey (thanks a bunch!). If you want to update from a previous version, simply re-install and choose to overwrite the previous directory. Savegames should carry over to the new version.

http://knyttlevels.com/levels/Vegetal%20Gibber%20-%20The%20White%20Elephant%20v0.9.1.knytt.bin (http://knyttlevels.com/levels/Vegetal%20Gibber%20-%20The%20White%20Elephant%20v0.9.1.knytt.bin)

This is going to be my last update on this level until the final version is ready. Unless somebody reports game-breaking bugs and/or really embarrasing mistakes, I'm not gonna upload a new version of this level until we can finish coloring the illustrations and any other incomplete details.

The first post has been edited to add the new download links.

Spoiler: (for users who have played this level) (click to show/hide)

Has anyone managed to find the keys and the secret area? Just curious.

Oh, and thanks for playing my level :)

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: grimwit on April 21, 2010, 23:43:03

...
...


This

Level

Drives

Me

CRAZY!!!!

GAH!

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I beat up the weird dude at the end, and found ALL the keys, but I can't find the end of the game!  So you know what I did?  I cheated!  Yeah!  That's right!  I opened it up with the level editor and cheated!  ARGH!

But that's not the worse of it.  Am I insane?  I could only find the secret ending.

O_O

O_O

O_O

...sorry, I think I lost some brain cells playing this.  Good chalenge, um...until the end there.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on April 22, 2010, 00:00:24

Well... with a secret ending like that, I don't blame you if you feel like you've lost brain cells  X)

But I can't imagine why you would be unable to finish the game the normal way :S  I've checked that part just now, but it seems to be working fine. Did you...

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

...walk to the right after beating the "final boss" and touch the glowing orb? That teleports you back to the upper floor of the pagoda. Then, you just have to go right (the screen where you fall and lose your powers is replaced with a normal, solid floor screen) and touch the white elephant.

Also, the screen where you battle the boss should be replaced with an empty screen with two big holes after defeating him. If this didn't happen, then I screwed up royally  :S

Anyway, thanks for the feedback. I'm sorry if I caused you too much grief with this  :oops:

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: ElMirador on April 22, 2010, 04:25:53

What?!

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

The secret ending?!!
It means....I haven't found ANY key yet?!!
Ohhhhhh nooooooo.......

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on April 22, 2010, 11:36:45

If you want to try again and get the secret ending (you can do it after beating the game the normal way, there's no need to start a new game), here are some general hints for the secret zone and key locations:

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

• The detector can help you to find the keys. I suggest loading the last save and backtracking all the way to the starting point. Don't worry about the trap floor, it is disabled after you beat the boss :P
• Some dialogues have vague hints on which areas have a hidden key.
• The entrance to the secret zone is in an area which doesn't contain any keys. It will be easier if you focus on finding the keys first. Also, there's a little puzzle you have to solve to find the entrance.

If you want additional hints, don't hesitate to ask  :)

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: grimwit on April 22, 2010, 19:48:17

um...


Er...

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

I forgot about the white elephant.  I was in such a hurry that I forgot there was a white elephant in the pagoda.  so I ran all the way back to the begining of the level looking for it.  Unable to find it, I looked all over the owl forest, then opened up the level editor and looked all around the place EXCEPT (and this should tell you alot about me) in the pagoda.

I need a beer.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Sleem on April 24, 2010, 01:10:05

This is making my head spin! :sick:

I have all the keys but the red one, the run, climb, high jump and double jump powers and the umbella. I explored all I could all over the region and I could do nothing but enter hell (which I'm calling it). In hell, I get the detector. I also get stuck at the completely dark screens. In the second screen, there's NOTHING to do but get chomped! Probably, it would be best to backtrack...

Spoiler: It's an eagle! It's a plane! No wait, it's just a compass. (click to show/hide)

I think the detector is a compass!

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Mr. Monkey on April 24, 2010, 01:17:28

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

try jumping everywhere eventually you'll find a path around the chompey things

Also, to make a spoiler, you could quote someone with a working spoiler and edit that.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on April 24, 2010, 01:39:37

If this your first post? If so, welcome to the forums :)

You can put spoiler tags around the text this way (just remove the blank spaces between the word "spoiler" and the brackets):

[ spoiler ] I AM YOUR FATHER [ /spoiler ]

Here's a hint for the dark zone:

Spoiler: Hint (click to show/hide)

The detector can help you there. Basically, you have to pay attention when your character glows. It can glow red or green (red if there's something dangerous nearby, green if it's something hidden... or "white" if there are both). If the detector makes you glow green, it's a sign you must do something at that location.

And here's a more detailed guide for that part. Read this if you still have trouble:

Spoiler: Walkthru for the dark zone (click to show/hide)

• First screen: when you start glowing red intensely, simply jump to your right and you'll go over the chomper through the upper passage.
• Second screen: go right slowly until you start glowing green/white. You can jump here and avoid the first chomper. Then, continue going right until you start glowing green again. You won't be able to jump here, but there's some other thing you can do. Press "action" (Down) to activate a teleport.
• Third screen: go right slowly until you start glowing green/white. To avoid the chomper, you will have to jump right... but don't jump too far or you'll hit the spikes. Finally, you'll fall to a lower tunnel and start glowing red. If you try going right from here, you'll fall into a pit. You need to double-jump and find the alternate upper path.

If you need more help, don't hesitate to send me a PM and ask.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Sleem on April 24, 2010, 11:35:02

OK, I finished the level and got the secret ending. Wow, that was frustrating...

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

And that fake savepoint got me! :S

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on April 24, 2010, 12:47:14

Congrats :D  Yeah, the secret area can be somewhat frustrating (mainly because of the lack of save points). I wanted it to be an extra challenge for people who already beat the level the normal way, so I made it a bit harder (without resorting to luck-based challenges and screens full of enemies). Anyway, thanks for taking the time to play my level :)

I have a question for everyone that has played this. I'm not really sure if I should categorize this level under Normal/Hard difficulty or just Hard. It's certainly not Lunatic and I don't think it qualifies as Very Hard either. I chose to go with Normal/Hard because there are both easy and difficult parts in the game. What do you think? Should I keep the difficulty category like that or bump it to Hard (or Very Hard)?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Sleem on April 24, 2010, 13:21:52

I think it should be "increasingly hard" or something.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Knytt1102 on April 28, 2010, 22:33:31

Hello!

I'm stuck:  I really search hard but I can't find the red key. Some help?

Nice level by the way  ;)

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on April 28, 2010, 23:34:30

Hi, thank you for playing my level. Glad you like it  :)

Here's a hint for the red key:

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

It's hidden in Tarugami, the last area. If you have the detector, Juni will glow green when you pass near the place where it's hidden. Try entering the zone from the desert and going in the direction of the pagoda. If you don't go too fast, you should be able to notice the green glow when you pass through a certain screen. Stop there and search that area.

Spoiler: Click here if you want a second hint (click to show/hide)

Check the area with invisible blocks, just before reaching the pagoda. There's something completely invisible there.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: pumpkin on April 28, 2010, 23:58:13

Hi! Very good level so far, I'm just completely and absolutely stuck right after the swamp the first time around ( if you even come back to it.) I have the high jump, but that's about it except for what you start with. Do you start with run? Oh I have climb too. Forgot. :P

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on April 29, 2010, 00:13:13

Thanks for the compliment :D  Let's see... if you got the High Jump, you should be able to reach two new areas. Go back to the tree house at the middle of the swamp. From there, you can either go right (which leads to the Grogarto's Desert, in which there's a big hole that you can now jump over) or...

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

...you can climb the wall there and go up. Continue this way and you'll find a screen with two vertical, climbable walls. You can reach them by solving a little puzzle there.

I suggest going to the desert first.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: pumpkin on April 29, 2010, 00:30:14

Spoiler: um (click to show/hide)

Get the umbrella?

i saw it, couldn't get it though...

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on April 29, 2010, 01:39:16

Spoiler: Hint for the umbrella (click to show/hide)

If you're having trouble getting the umbrella, it's probably because of the thin "platform" you have to use to reach it. It can be pretty difficult to stand there and maintain balance, so try to do it "ninja style":

* Slide down the wall while pressing left (don't release the button)
* As soon as you touch the stick, jump quickly to your left. You can also tap the jump button multiple times very fast while falling.

If you do it that way, you should be able to reach the umbrella. It will be easier to retrace your steps using it.

In case somebody's interested, the walkthru is almost finished. I'll try to translate the few remaining paragraphs tomorrow. I'll edit the first post and attach the text file when it's ready.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Purple Pineapple on April 29, 2010, 02:22:42

Quote from: Vegetal Gibber on April 29, 2010, 01:39:16

Spoiler: Hint for the umbrella (click to show/hide)

If you're having trouble getting the umbrella, it's probably because of the thin "platform" you have to use to reach it. It can be pretty difficult to stand there and maintain balance, so try to do it "ninja style":

* Slide down the wall while pressing left (don't release the button)
* As soon as you touch the stick, jump quickly to your left. You can also tap the jump button multiple times very fast while falling.

If you do it that way, you should be able to reach the umbrella. It will be easier to retrace your steps using it.

If that's referring to the glitch I think it is, that's a glitch.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on April 29, 2010, 11:27:59

What... a glitch? :S How? Where? I would greatly appreciate it if you explained it to me.

* Vegetal grabs his bug-hunting rifle *

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: pumpkin on April 29, 2010, 19:55:53

Thanks, I got the umbrella just before you posted that, and now I'm considerably farther, and enjoying it even more. Very fun! Harder than I thought it would be though.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on April 30, 2010, 13:25:38

Glad you're enjoying the level  :^^:  Originally, I was shooting for a Normal difficulty level, but I kinda got carried away at some screens :P It's just as Sleem said before, the difficulty category should be something like "increasingly hard". Still, I don't think there is any challenge or puzzle in the game that qualifies as Lunatic or Very Hard. After all, my beta-testers were all novice players and still managed to complete the entire game with only a few hints (although one of them threw a barrage of insults at me when he reached the secret area... ungrateful jerk X) )

EDIT: FAQ/Walkthrough added to the first post as an attached text file (finally!!). It's probably very poorly written, but feel free to give it a shot if you need a hint or two.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: pumpkin on May 03, 2010, 20:07:20

Just finished, didn't get to the secret yet, but I'll check it out. Lovely ending!!

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on May 03, 2010, 20:40:57

Thanks, and congrats on finishing the game :)  Good luck on getting the secret ending.

By the way, I made an optimized version of this level for Knytt Stories DS, just in case any of you is interested in playing this level on the DS (God knows why you would want to, but...). I'll post again when I've uploaded the file (the first post will be updated with the new link). Also, I'll post a bit of random useless trivia about the game, just for kicks :P

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: egomassive on May 06, 2010, 02:07:33

Looks like we're both having the same dilemma. I'm trying to wait for version 1.0 of this level, and your trying to wait for version 1.0 of my latest level. That's hilarious. I fear you might lose interest or free time and not complete it as so many do, or I'll forget about your level and it will get lost among the thousands of unremarkable levels. (Just to clarify, I'm not saying this level is unremarkable.)

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on May 06, 2010, 10:20:25

Well, I can tell you that the only thing the current version of my level lacks is the coloring in a few cutscene illustrations. Everything else will be exactly the same in the final version, save for a few minor edits I may or not do. Unfortunately, I'm pretty much stuck with 0.9.1 version until my artist can finally finish coloring these illustrations... and she's extremely busy right now, so I'll probably have to wait for an entire month (maybe even more :S ). Truth is, I finished building this level in January, and then waited for two months... until I finally decided to release it as a "beta" (even though it's pretty much complete).

Basically, if you want to play this level, I'd suggest doing so right now. When the final version is finally ready, you can just open the game folder manually and have a look at the intro/ending colored illustrations. Just don't expect a masterpiece... this is my first level after all :oops:

As for your level... well, at first I wanted to wait a bit more, because it looks absolutely kick-ass and a level like that deserves to be enjoyed without bugs that might spoil the experience. But then again... I'm afraid I may not have enough patience. Urge to play... rising X) Well, if you tell me you're going to release the final version next week, I can wait.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: egomassive on May 06, 2010, 13:07:08

When you said you had an artist helping you I was expecting a truckload of cutscenes. If it's just the intro and outro, then I guess it's not a big deal. That preview shot is so good. Makes me want to make some watercolors myself.

Go ahead and play my level. I made it in like 9 to 10 days. I'm worn out, and I don't expect to finalize it for month. Most people seem to be making it to the end without bug trouble.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: GrayFace on May 25, 2010, 00:34:57

I liked the level a lot. Both you and your sister did a great job!

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Bugs:
x1019y999 / x1019y998 - wallswim. The left wall is one square less on the upper screen.
x1016y1000 - void. You can get to the screen above, which is void.
One of walls at x1018y1005 and x1018y1003 have No Climb misplaced.

You also have an old World.eng.ini in the world folder.

BTW, I finished the level without the eye. I couldn't pass the second dark screen until I came with the eye and saw there was a teleporter.

The difficulty is Hard I think. Defenitely not Normal. Also, as I understand, the "Normal/Hard" difficulty is for levels that provide a way to choose between the two.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on May 25, 2010, 01:48:23

Glad you liked the level :)  Oh, and thanks a bunch for reporting those bugs :D  The first one was already fixed in my current copy (thanks, Adam!), but I didn't notice the other two. The final version will address all these problems. In the meantime, I might release an update patch, like egomassive did with his latest level.

Also, you're right about the Normal/Hard difficulty. When I was making this level, I wasn't sure of which difficulty category I should assign to it... so I picked both Normal and Hard, because I thought that meant there were both normal and hard parts in the game. Noob mistake :P  I'll probably change it to "Hard" in the final version.

Spoiler: Finishing the level without the eye (click to show/hide)

Are you sure you were able to finish the game without the eye? O_o  It shouldn't be possible to reach the pagoda and the hologram without it. Maybe you meant the detector? (you can get it just before entering the dark tunnel... it's above the screen with the greased, non-climbable shaft). It is possible to finish the game without the detector, although it's needed for the secret area (well... it's technically possible to find that area and beat the secret trials without it, but that would be extremely difficult).

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: GrayFace on May 25, 2010, 21:03:56

Spoiler: Finishing the level without the eye (click to show/hide)

I came to hologram and pagoda with the detector, but without the eye. Hologram is easily reachable if you jump from the opposite wall. The jump to pogoda where a lady in white walks isn't that easy, but also isn't too hard. Same thing with the jump to get out of GD's lair.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on May 26, 2010, 14:06:47

Oops... :oops: Just checked those screens. You're right. I'll have to fix them (at least the path to the pagoda, but I think I'll leave the hologram screen like that... I'll just make that jump a bit more difficult).

Thanks!

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Battlehawk on May 31, 2010, 20:43:45

Not done with the level yet but so far it seems pretty good. I just have one small problem with it. Your level is kind of long (as in acual horizontal length) and theres a whole lot of going back and forth across the majority if not the entire length of the map, especially if the player doesn't know exactly where to go. Theres also a couple of instances where you allow us to go a considerable ways through a portion of the level before revealing to the player that they went the wrong direction and can't go any further without a powerup thats situated all the way back where they started (the umbrella puzzle in the desert is a good example if I remember correctly.

But that wasn't really too serious of a problem overall, so great level and keep it up! :)

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on May 31, 2010, 21:46:16

Thank you for your feedback :)  Yes, it's true that you must do quite a bit of backtracking in order to beat this level. I tried to imitate the "Metroidvania" gameplay style, where you have to explore the scenario and figure for yourself what you need and what places can be reached with your current abilities... but I guess I should have put more clues along the way, even if they were just subtle hints. Not everybody enjoys running back and forth through the entire map just for one particular item :P (this applies specially to the last part of the game, Tarugami, which is located at the rightmost part of the level... so be sure to get every power-up before attempting to cross it).

I'll have this in mind for future levels. Hope you enjoy the rest of the game :)

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: jubei on January 02, 2011, 18:08:37

sadly the file for knytt stories ds is not available anymore. would you be so glad to reupload it? thanks!

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: ieatatsonic on January 22, 2011, 20:40:16

Can I get a hint for what to do right after you get the high jump?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: tinatoerat on January 31, 2011, 11:46:19

Well call me a dummy, but I just can't see the magic for the Owl Maze. I've gone to the east. I've got onto the ledge with the blue droppies. I can't get past them (my feet get stuck in the first one or I jump into the second one) so far. I just don't know what is amazing here that I should see. There is a bone pointing NE in the ground. (should I go NE in the maze). There is a tree that sorta looks like its shaped like the maze - but it doesn't have a hint there that speaks to me.
There are four blue droppies. There is a tree stump in the middle of them.

None of this seems to relate to the Owl Maze to me. (The tree? maybe there's an owl in there. Just a minute.... no, pressing down at the tree doesn't produce an owl or an explanation.)

Can someone give me a clearer clue?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Widget on January 31, 2011, 23:10:57

Quote from: tinatoerat on January 31, 2011, 11:46:19

I've got onto the ledge with the blue droppies. I can't get past them (my feet get stuck in the first one or I jump into the second one) so far.

You can get past them. You just need to make lots of tiny jumps.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: tinatoerat on February 04, 2011, 13:35:14

Thank you... with that encouragement I have finally got past the four blue drop-downs and have now made my way to Faeries' Pond.  :)

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: hqql on July 29, 2011, 17:44:10

OH MA GAWD! _O_

This level was SO much fun to play, it was a real good challenge and I absolutely loved every bit of it! I've only had to use the Q&A once to get through (where the "Hmm" box pops up to get to the owl maze) but after finishing it (both endings) I read the rest as well, not to ensure I had everything, but just because it was pretty funny to read.

Yeah some parts were tricky (DAMN YOU GD!!) but it all in all it wasn't too hard, just about hard enough to REALLY wanna keep playing, very well done!


Nao, mor plox ^_^

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Ganoan on July 30, 2011, 23:24:27

Very interesting and exciting level! Played it through today.
I'm just wondering, why I didn't discover this beautiful level earlier... scary... :huh:

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: seattalite on June 28, 2012, 23:52:53

Alright, 2 things - 3 actually -

1) great game!

2) Where the heck is the secret ending!?!? - I have all four keys and all the power ups - and have completed the normal ending (getting back power-ups, etc)

3) In the forest maze - before the faerie pond  - where is this "wise man who knows all the possible solutions to conflict" and in the maze - Juni glows green at one point - I looked and looked and looked around the area she was glowing green at - and nothing - no secret entrance - no special object - nothing. Am I missing something?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: seattalite on June 29, 2012, 00:17:05

ok - I see the walkthrough now. :-)   ......brb (going to 'play mah sum mo' Knytt Stories!)

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Fubaka on June 29, 2012, 08:16:50

I spy a Void screen!

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

On map coordinate x1024 y995, I was able, despite your attempt at blocking me off, to reach the top of that platform.
You might want to consider making that edge a bit longer.  That is, assuming you are still here, and still care about fixing bugs for this level.  :P

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: CWolvie on July 28, 2015, 19:47:46

Well, the final boss challenge is definitely the most interesting part of the level, but not so interesting as the WHITE elephant itself :D.
Just kidding, it's a nice level.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Normal/Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on July 29, 2015, 14:43:39

Thanks for giving my first level a try, CWolvie! I'm glad you liked it.

I didn't even think there would be any unread feedback here... but apparently there is! It's been so long since I released this level that I didn't even bother to check the entire thread when I linked to it. My mistake :P2  I'll take this opportunity to fix all the reported errors and make some small edits in a slightly improved version of this map (coming soon, hopefully).

I'd also like to try my hand at finishing the uncolored drawings for the cutscenes, but that will take me a lot more time, since I don't have the help of my original artist anymore.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Medium][Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on August 03, 2015, 17:00:43

I've put together a revised version of this level, which finally brings it to v1.0 after being stuck in 0.9.1 for ages. This update fixes all the reported errors (hopefully) and includes colored versions of all the cutscene drawings. Also, almost every screen in the level has been edited to improve the visuals and minimize some gameplay related annoyances.

[ Download the final version here (http://knyttlevels.com/levels/Vegetal%20Gibber%20-%20The%20White%20Elephant.knytt.bin) ]

(The links on the first post have also been updated)

Spoiler: Detailed list of changes (click to show/hide)

• Fixed a few void screens.
• Revamped the design of most of the screens to make them look better: added more detailed backgrounds, more ambient particles, more decorative tiles and extra lighting effects.
• Added some invisible solid blocks here and there to make it easier to climb irregular surfaces.
• Some spike traps have been turned into "always visible" spikes.
• Changed the difficulty category to "Hard", instead of the former "Normal/Hard" (which doesn't really apply to this level, as it only has one difficulty setting)
• All the pictures in the cutscenes are colored now. Some of them had to be finished by me instead of the original artist, though. I did my very best to at least make them look better than the uncolored sketches.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Medium][Hard] The Legend of the White Elephant
Post by: CWolvie on August 03, 2015, 18:57:20

So...I'm pretty excited! I have to download it now and play it. It's one of my favorite levels, although it's been a long time, since I've played it so it brings back memories :).
My fav areas are definitely the cave and that with fairies.