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Released Games => FiNCK => Topic started by: Mr. Monkey on April 13, 2010, 20:56:29
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what does Fire Nuclear Crocodile Killer even mean i mean really now
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:nuts:
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It's simply random. :P
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That is... unless...
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SPOILER IT'S THE FINAL BOSS
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what does Fire Nuclear Crocodile Killer even mean i mean really now
I think you mean Fire IN Nuclear Crocodile Killer
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i copied the name from http://nifflas.ni2.se/?page=FiNCK
if it isn't fire nuclear crocodile killer, nifflas must have botched it on his site
also, fire in nuclear crocodile killer doesn't really make any sense either
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names don't have to make sense for games. they can be completly random
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sure, names don't have to make sense but sensibility seriously helps in not sounding stupid :)
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Seriously, the name doesn't need to make sense at all! This is just the first time such a game from Nifflas has had such a ridiculous title... I think.
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even "avoid the evil space eel" and "r-type almost pi" were somewhat coherent names
bear in mind, i didn't say it needed to make sense, but even being properly english would make it sound far less pathetically silly :)
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One of Nifflas' friends suggested it, he liked it, so that's what it is. Deal with it! :[
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that's not a very good explanation for what it means (you guys said totally random what?!?!?!) or even its origin (nifflas' friend would have to explain that bit)
oh by the way if you guys are completely right about it being nonsense i'll say it right now that i don't like it (i'm pretty sure others agree with me)
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Oh, guys, Nifflas said that it's not up for discussion, so i don't really think there is any point arguing about it. Either you like it or you dont, i can't see any point in flaming each other over your opinions.
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So eh.. what's the 'i' for then?
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^ The 'i' from 'Fire' was probably simply added to make the title pronounceable. 'FNCK' doesn't really roll off the tongue.
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Oh, guys, Nifflas said that it's not up for discussion, so i don't really think there is any point arguing about it. Either you like it or you dont, i can't see any point in flaming each other over your opinions.
Where did he say that? Bear in mind that I am not a beta tester and therefore cannot access the beta testing forum.
I'd like to point out, as well, that I'm not trying to flame anybody; I requested answers (what and why is this name) and stated my disapproval of their implications (it's pretty forcedly silly and isn't even really English).
Also, I got word from some facebook thing that googoogjoob was flamed or something like that for pointing out how the name is dumb. Are you referring to this? Are you biased against discussions of the name because that one failed so miserably? If so, I'd like to encourage this one to remain civil on all sides (intimidating big words are fine; using moderator powers to censor the opposition, or going off of the topic to complain about how discussions are evil and post silly offenses, such as the ever-popular HAHA IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE DEAL WITH IT YOU BABIES is/are not fine). In particular, I'd like to know what happened with the previous discussion so this one doesn't make the same mistake.
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Basically, googoogjoob complained about the name and got his ass handed to him. (To put it simply) That's all.
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"got his ass handed to him"? what?
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What I meant by that is that he got his negative comment(s) shot down without much of a fight. Pardon my weird, American slang.
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I'm not entirely sure what you're going after here, Mr. Monkey; are you trying to get the name changed or an explanation for why it's like that? The answer to the former is there's next to no chance of changing it, since it's solely Nifflas's choice and he's made up his mind already. The answer to the latter basically sums up to "Why not?" It may be random, but it's still Nifflas's choice, and even though I myself probably would've named it something else, the name does give it a nice touch.
Granted, if you find the name atrociously terrible, you can feel free to refer to it as something else. :)
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Right now I'm more interested in an account of what happened.
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I agree the name is kinda stupid, that's why I created the topic asking about the name. Got locked when goog said something which nifflas removed. So I don't know.
The name has nothing to do with the game which is why I don't like it. Whatever really, the name is not that important, it's the game itself. And if nifflas decided then I don't care.
if you find the name atrociously terrible, you can feel free to refer to it as something else. :)
That is not how things work.
Basically, googoogjoob complained about the name and got his ass handed to him. (To put it simply) That's all.
Not really so please.
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As far as I remember, goog said the name is dumb and forgettable, and then Nifflas said this:
"Objectively speaking, that is? A lot of people said they like it. But since goog said it's dumb and forgettable, it must be true. Really, I get to hear that something sucks from a handful of places whenever I decide or create something. It's just part of making a decision, but it is annoying when people put it like that."
I guess that's the account you're looking for.
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Well that was rather immature of Nifflas (primarily the editing). I guess I know all I need to, now. :)
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Basically, I take negative criticism badly when it's not constructive and comes in form of short negative unexplained statements using words like "dumb, retarder, sucks" without at least an "I think" to at least point out it's a personal opinion and not a fact. That's just the type of person I am. Apparantly a game developer is expected to be good at taking criticism in any form and take nothing personally. I'm not that person and yet I'd like to continue create and release game in public anyway.
I locked that topic because sometimes I want to avoid a discussion about something I'm not willing to change (the game title in this case) and I moderated goog's post because it was posted in a locked topic. When I lock a topic because I'm not open for a certain discussion and a moderator posts in it, I will also continue to delete those posts in the future.
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I keep thinking of a Finch every time I see the name. Mostly because it's Fink in Swedish, which is pronounced exactly as I pronounce FiNCK.
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Apparantly a game developer is expected to be good at taking criticism in any form and take nothing personally.
On the Internet, everyone is expected to, and should, be able to take criticism. Taking it doesn't mean you can't just ignore it, though.
That said, I'm afraid I don't think the name is very good either. I don't mind silliness, but it really does feel forced and forgettable to me.
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Even put like that the criticism works for me though, because although negative, it's not rude. It's only when it feels like something of an insult I can go offensive. Since I really care to try creating good games, not only for myself, but also for a genuine wish that people will get something out of them, things get problematic when a response is rude and ungrateful. It's also unexpected when it's from a person I have a certain respect for like goog who sorted out plenty of grammar things about Saira. Of course I wish I did not react as much as I do to that kind of feedback, but apparantly I do.
I'd appreciate if people who gets beta access or special privileges to still take care to put it in a nice way (even just "I think it's dumb" work a lot better than "it's dumb") even if you may disagree with how I handle criticism. And, as a beta testing board is meant to aid my development of the game rather than being a place for unlimited freedom of speech, accept that I may not want a certain discussion in it even if you disagree with that too.
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Niff, I completely agree with you. There have been times when people's negative criticism has gotten me almost down enough to just beat my computer screen until I get glass shards in my elbows. But I don't. Because like you I can handle it when it's not rude, if it's nicely worded, thought out, and doesn't read like a backwards redneck wrote it, I take criticism well.
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Of course I wish I did not react as much as I do to that kind of feedback, but apparantly I do.
If you ever feel you're being overly angry and rude when you write a response, go look up the top YouTube video and read the comments.
I can guarentee you'll feel a lot better.
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(even just "I think it's dumb" work a lot better than "it's dumb")
All criticism (positive or negative) of any sort of art has an implicit "I think" or "I feel" at the beginning. Adding or removing the words doesn't magically change the criticism so it is suddenly more or less passionate.
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(please excuse the shouting, i personally think it is necessary)
STOP ARGUING FFS! Nifflas has made a final decision on the name of his game, and plans not to change it any further. FULL STOP. If you don't like it, there's not much you can do about it, other than renaming all the FiNCK files to something else.
whoo, havn't had a shout for a while....
[mod]converted some of the shouting to normal text. Now the shouting is justified and not annoying.[/mod]
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All criticism (positive or negative) of any sort of art has an implicit "I think" or "I feel" at the beginning. Adding or removing the words doesn't magically change the criticism so it is suddenly more or less passionate.
I'd argue that this isn't always the case. When you omit an "I think", people may infer that what you state isn't just your personal opinion, but a feeling other people may share, a more objective judgment on the matter (possibly from someone who knows what s/he's talking about); if you think your opinion has a more general value (you're an expert on the subject, your opinion has garnered consensus in other instances etc.), you can safely omit the "I think", but when you're just voicing your personal feelings regardless of what other people might think, I think you should make it clear.
It's another matter if you don't care about these small details, but as we're different people with different cultures, scattered all over the world; it's not easy to tell when someone's being rude while communicating with someone else, especially when writing instead of talking. Of course this goes both ways: a little bit of tolerance is necessary on the receiving part as well, but that's usually the case only with complete strangers.
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STOP ARGUING FFS! Nifflas has made a final decision on the name of his game, and plans not to change it any further. FULL STOP. If you don't like it, there's not much you can do about it, other than renaming all the FiNCK files to something else.
Nobody is arguing over nifflas should change the name. Just because it's nifflas you don't have to be a suck up, you sound like a complete uther idiot.
Niff, I completely agree with you. There have been times when people's negative criticism has gotten me almost down enough to just beat my computer screen until I get glass shards in my elbows. But I don't. Because like you I can handle it when it's not rude, if it's nicely worded, thought out, and doesn't read like a backwards redneck wrote it, I take criticism well.
Gezz, stop sucking up.
Why not just lock this topic?
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Yeah I think this should be locked too. This argument is even more pointless than that one about inserting a keyboard into the vending machine.
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Okey, sure!