Nifflas' Support Forum
General => About Nifflas' Website and Forum => Topic started by: Razzorman on March 15, 2009, 21:57:16
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I just noticed this, and I'm curious...
Why don't we have an "other free games" sub-forum any more? We used to have one on the old forum, and I can see no reason to not have one.
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I dunno. That'd be a good idea. Or just an "Other Games" thread in general. :/
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Yeah, I really liked having it around. I figured there was some reason for removing it, so I didn't complain, but now I'm all curious about it again.
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It might get added later.
And there should be a general forum where you can talk about anything.
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We removed it, and no, there won't be an off-topic forum either.
This still is a nifflas support forum. We removed it because it isn't necessary. There are plenty sites that offer this. We initially made that forum for people to share games they found that they were liking so much that they wanted to share it with others. Soon it became that people just posted there to post, not so much to post those great games. For that, you can also use the famous sites that already exist. It was a bit spammy. And as pointed out earlier, now we're more of a Nifflas support forum.
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Soon it became that people just posted there to post.
perhaps the people that posted the games liked them and wanted to share them with everyone else?
Not so much to post those great games.
So its up to you to say what games are good and bad? Everyone have different taste.
And as pointed out earlier, now we're more of a Nifflas support forum.
Yes, sure. But more people come here because its a forum they like, not to get support. It would be fun with an off-topic forum.
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But more people come here because its a forum they like, not to get support.
I totally agree with that. I don't stay here because I need support. I stay here because it's a great community. I'd rather help and talk about things that might interest others on the forum. However, with the removal of the games section and the third party level areas, a lot of that is simply, non-existent. Going to another forum to do these things wouldn't be the same. I'm not really here to say that we need to have the free games section back, but I for one know a lot of games that I'd like to post about, but guess what? I can't. I know I'm not the only one disappointed about that. I know the forum is supposed to be more 'Nifflas' orientated now, but it wasn't like that before, and it changes what the forum is as a whole. I know we already have topics that you can express yourself in, but there are still a lot of boards I'd like to see again.
Soon it became that people just posted there to post.
This confuses me. Are you suggesting that you can't remove offtopic posts? That you didn't want to? That mods can't handle it? That you can't issue warnings? This happens with any forum, any board, so I fail to see how this effects your decision at all. It seems like you simply didn't want it because you didn't want to deal with it, which I hardly find fair. If that isn't what you meant, you should rephrase, or use another point than that one.
To sum it up here, I don't really like the forum as 'just' a support forum. It was never 'just' a support forum. But now it seems things are being removed that made it what it was, and I don't really like it. I admit that the games section wasn't a bit part of the forum, but it still feels empty without these things. :\
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I agree. It's kinda boring to have a forum strictly for help and releasing stuff. Yeah, there's forumgames, but...*shrugs*
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I don't really like the forum as 'just' a support forum. It was never 'just' a support forum. But now it seems things are being removed that made it what it was, and I don't really like it. I admit that the games section wasn't a bit part of the forum, but it still feels empty without these things. :\
I agree with Blox. While I don't mind the increased focus on the support part of the forums, the support-related activities are not frequent enough to rely on them alone to keep the community as vibrant and interesting as it used to be.
As it is now, I find myself spending less time on the new forums; there is just so little left to do. Whether the upcoming KS site will make a difference remains to be seen.
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On the old forum, the Other Free Games subforum wasn't ever really a nexus of community activity. All the activity happened in the Forumgames board, the Creativity-related Discussions board, the Development Showcase, and, later, the Debates board (all of which are here barring the Debates board), bound together by the Third Party Levels board (which is not). All that's there is the preview board, but it doesn't really allow room for actual discussion of levels, as levels cannot be posted there.
The forum is listless because it's missing its most consistently active subforum, and even when the new Archive is ready, I'm not sure that activity will return to the forum- it might return to just the Archive, and not carry over to the rest of the forum.
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I agree with blox above. Oh, and by the way, cant we at least have a simple forum to post levels in till the archive comes? Just a single board, and make it read-only when the archive opens.
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I think Googoogjoob makes a pretty valid point.
The third party levels for KS is really what a lot of people went to the old forum for (at least it seemed that way to me) and since it's not here now the forum's half-dead. <_<
The other free games I never even looked at so I dunno about that, really, but I don't think the forum needs to only be about Nifflas. He might even agree; the idea of a forum only about one person makes the person seem really arrogant or something. I mean, he's cool I bet but he's still just a person--not some kind of god (and even then, I'd feel the same way). 9_9
Another thing, this doesn't feel like a Nifflas support forum to me. How are we supporting Nifflas, exactly? I never even met the guy (cyberspatially or otherwise), so it's not like I am able to even say "Hey, I support you making games and whatever else you do." But whatever that's just me.
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The forum is listless because it's missing its most consistently active subforum, and even when the new Archive is ready, I'm not sure that activity will return to the forum- it might return to just the Archive, and not carry over to the rest of the forum.
And this is one of the three reasons I'm against the idea of the archive.
4a, I believe that's supposed to reflect technical support - say someone can't get WaDF to run, they could post here and people could tell them how to get it to run (that sort of stuff doesn't actually seem to happen much). Or support with getting past hard parts of a game. I don't think it really reflects support to Nifflas, even if it should.
However, that doesn't really mean much...
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4a, I believe that's supposed to reflect technical support - say someone can't get WaDF to run, they could post here and people could tell them how to get it to run (that sort of stuff doesn't actually seem to happen much). Or support with getting past hard parts of a game. I don't think it really reflects support to Nifflas, even if it should.
However, that doesn't really mean much...
...oh, well, that's just plain boring, then.
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I also agree with BloxMaster. I find that the forum is just less interesting without some of the boards we had before. Indeed, I did come here for support, but I stayed because I enjoyed the community here. I find myself visiting here less and less since the new forum came up, and I've also seen a noticeable decrease in forum activity since the change. I liked the way the old forum was run. I really think we should be allowed to talk about other things besides game support.
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I agree with Rixanu, I like the old forum better. It had a debates board, other free games board and other fun stuff. ( like the shoutbox). :/
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I agree with Mathexpert, who agrees with Rixanu, who agrees with Bloxmaster.
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I agree with BloxMaster and Rixanu, but not with Mathexpert. I believe the debates board and shoutbox are better gone, unless we, as a community, are able to be mature enough to have a proper debate. The shoutbox is obsolete, even, considering the existence of an internet relay chat channel #niffchat on espernet.
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The shoutbox's only advantage over #niffchat was that you could see what people had said before you were there, but if you go into #niffchat you can get immediate feedback on something instead of posting it in a little box and waiting for a day or two.
I think the debate board was fine. None of the debates degenerated into flamewars, or went off-topic. (Actually, none of the debate topics ever had to be locked for any reason.)
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...and the shout box took a shorter time to load. :P
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People mention in this topic that they want the debates forum back. I'm curious though, do people want this back to have it back, or are they also going to use it?
The reason why we didn't readd it, was because we saw that before the crash occours, people were not debating that much anymore. There were no new requests for debates either.
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People mention in this topic that they want the debates forum back. I'm curious though, do people want this back to have it back, or are they also going to use it?
Do people want food because it looks pretty or are they going to eat it? -_-
It seems obvious to me that if you have the debates forum back people are going to post in it. If even one person wants it back, and then posts in it if/when it returns, other people will inevitably follow.
Probably not so many people who come here are of the worldly experience or general technical knowledge to be so great at debating, but there will always be those who want to.
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But still... Both Paula and I saw alot of decreasement in activity because the topics that were discussed basically reached its point, and new topics weren't requested.
Just making a post is not going to happen here. If we indeed add the forum back, then we also need topics to debate about. If someone can tell me a topic to debate about, and that this person is willing to request it like it happened on the old forum, I don't mind adding the debates forum back. If not, I feel that I'm wasting precious time in adding the forum.
Adding the forum is not just pressing a few buttons, especially with the debates forum. I need to add a rules set, change permissions and once I get requests, I need to process them too. That is time consuming. Although I don't mind doing that if I know that people will use it.
Basically thats the question here. So is there someone that has a topic for a debate, and is that person ready to file in the request like we had on the old topic, post here.
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XD "decreasement"...
Basically thats the question here. So is there someone that has a topic for a debate, and is that person ready to file in the request like we had on the old topic, post here.
...errr. Maybe you should make a new topic rather than say that, 'cause I think requesting debate topics would be off-topic in THIS topic. >.>
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Requesting a topic will not be honoured if they're posted here, but for now I just ask if there are topics at all.
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Requesting a topic will not be honoured if they're posted here, but for now I just ask if there are topics at all.
You could start a debate about whether or not there should be a debates board. XD
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That would be awesome.
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I don't think it will have that much value over this.
Oh and as far as the other free games forum is concerned. I'm also prepared to readd that forum, but Paula and I will have to think of an addition to the rules to combat the problem we saw on the old form: spamming games just to spam.
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I don't think it will have that much value over this.
Oh and as far as the other free games forum is concerned. I'm also prepared to Read that forum, but Paula and I will have to think of an addition to the rules to combat the problem we saw on the old form: spamming games just to spam.
Now I'm not gonna argue much bout this because my arguing skills are quite low.
So your saying if we had certain Rules to prevent "spamming games"
you will put the "other games" thread up?
Because it would be a bit hard to make rules so that doesn't happen.
I mean you could have "finished games only" so that there are no betas
or......hmmmmm... this is quite tricky.. cause you could say platformer games only but rules
out brilliant games such as "dyson" and so on. But of course its not me who has to decide so i will just leave it up to you C)p
Oh the shoutbox was fun but you could see it going "spammy"
thats all i have to say
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I still haven't seen any replies to indicate that we need a debates forum. The free games section will more be like: in order to post any game, there must be a description, link and image. Ofcource the game must also be freeware.
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The free games section will more be like: in order to post any game, there must be a description, link and image. Ofcource the game must also be freeware.
Sounds reasonable. With those rules there wont be as many "This game is awesome! Check it out! LINK" threads.