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Released Games => Saira => Topic started by: ftmachine on December 22, 2009, 19:10:37
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The need to micro up left down and wall jumping is insidiously impossible for anyone that doesn't have a 3+ button input keyboard. (Most keyboards jam upon inputting 2 keys simultaneously, ie if you press 3 keys, only 2 will be registered)
[mod]Removed the part about Saira having the worst controls in the history of all platformers[/mod]
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This is more a problem with your keyboard than with the control setup of the game, and Saira is far from the only platformer that requires multiple-button input.
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Most keyboards jam upon inputting 2 keys simultaneously, ie if you press 3 keys, only 2 will be registered.
That would have been true maybe 10 years ago. Nowadays most keyboards can handle way more than 2 keys simultaneously.
Besides, if you have a keyboard that allows more than 2 key presses, the controls are some of the best I have seen.
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It's kind of depressing to think that this is your first post on the Forum (welcome anyway). As already noted, controls in Saira aren't bad, although reportedly a number of people prefer Knytt and Knytt Stories controls. I don't know about 'Most keyboards jam upon inputting 2 keys simultaneously', they can't still be so many around.
And even if it were the game's fault, it certainly wouldn't make controls the worst in the history of all platformers: you probably haven't even heard of some 'gems' on the, NES for example.
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Most keyboards jam upon inputting 2 keys simultaneously, ie if you press 3 keys, only 2 will be registered
Most really old keyboards jam if you press more than three or four keys simultaneously, but I've seriously never heard of one that jams with three keys pressed. It sounds like you really need to spend the $8 or so to get a new keyboard.
Can you even combine meta keys? If what you said applies to all the keys, good luck with CTRL+ALT+DEL!
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Most really old keyboards jam if you press more than three or four keys simultaneously, but I've seriously never heard of one that jams with three keys pressed. It sounds like you really need to spend the $8 or so to get a new keyboard.
Can you even combine meta keys? If what you said applies to all the keys, good luck with CTRL+ALT+DEL!
Well, my Lenovo laptop screams and jams when you press right, left and up arrow at the same time, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that could entirely ruin a game. I could play I wanna be the guy without hassle, which should suffice as evidence that it won't ruin a game. :shifty:
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I banned this user. I didn't spend a full year on the game (not including the time I photographed for it) to put up with this kind of crap. I added customizable actions keys to PREVENT key jamming, if somebody have a keyboard that can not handle up+left+s, it's very likely that it can e.g. handle up+left+shift. This is unrelated to the ban though, I added that for the arrogant comment about the "worst controls in the history of all platformers", as if he have played every single one of them, and knows mine is the worst.
I do encourage people to tell me about potential problems about my games, but not by using superlatives about how horrible it is compared to everything else on the planet. For that I'll just ban without warning.
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Nifflas know how to take care of trolls.
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I hope nobody gets too afraid of me now :) If there's a problem, just keep in mind to not go all superlative about it, and you should be safe!
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Holy shit. Did that just happen?
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I think it was intended for comedic effect, actually. Well, too late now.
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Well, if that was the case, it was not a bit funny.
Sometimes you need to have a bit of tact.
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I'm so exausted that I fail to detect irony. It didn't even occur to me that there could be a comedic side to the post. Well, no matter if it was, this is not the sort of stuff I need to hear about my game right now, I lifted the ban just for the chance that it was comedic, and hope he didn't get to see the ban reason I wrote. He doesn't deserve to read something as indecent as that if he intended it as a joke.
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To me it didn't seem sarcastic in the least, and if it was a joke it was told in a way too serious manner.
If I remember correctly, the removed part went something like this.
"Sorry, but this game has got to have the worst controls in platforming history - if not video game history."
The post continues from there. So yeah.
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Yeah, you're right. It's just so absurd to label something as the worst on the planet just because he have a problem with something, so when minmay mentioned the possible joke aspect of it, that seemed to be more logical to me, but you're right. If it was meant to be fun, it makes no sense to start out with "Sorry, but the blah bleh bloo bloo..."
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Flaming whiners should be banned. Trust me, he was not joking.
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I banned this user. I didn't spend a full year on the game (not including the time I photographed for it) to put up with this kind of crap. I added customizable actions keys to PREVENT key jamming, if somebody have a keyboard that can not handle up+left+s, it's very likely that it can e.g. handle up+left+shift. This is unrelated to the ban though, I added that for the arrogant comment about the "worst controls in the history of all platformers", as if he have played every single one of them, and knows mine is the worst.
I do encourage people to tell me about potential problems about my games, but not by using superlatives about how horrible it is compared to everything else on the planet. For that I'll just ban without warning.
YES, Don't let people ridicule your game. ESPECIALLY SAIRA :whoa: . The controls are decent but i don't care about the controls once im used to it. So far, This has been the best game i have played on the computer and it will get better once i purchase the game so i finish it and make level (yes, i am trying. Although it is unsupported, it interests me :D)
I have been interested in your games since knytt stories, The editor interested me then i downloaded the other levels and it was awesome. I say its better than most computer games. I want you to keep making games linke that when you have the time. Banning the flamer wasn't foolish, You were just standing up for yourself and the saira fans. Basically, Your games reached out to me. Nifflas FTW.
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I hate to say it, but I do not support Nifflas' action here.
IMO, the statement was neither a joke nor a serious flame. It was an exaggeration. There is no way that the OP honestly thinks that Saira does indeed have the worst control scheme ever in the history of platformers. Of course it's not. It's like when somebody says "it's as hot as the sun out here." Of course it's not that hot outside. It's just really hot.
That is what we call a rhetorical device in English. His words say one thing, but they mean something else. An exaggeration isn't meant to be taken at face value, because everybody knows it isn't true. A statement like "Saira has the worst control scheme ever in the history of platformers" does not mean anything beyond "there is a big flaw in Saira's controls."
I'm sorry, but I do not believe this guy is trolling. I do agree that real trolls should be banned; if there is somebody who flames you and your games without end, who will never change their opinion, and who is only here to make our lives on this forum hell - then that person deserves a ban. But in a situation like this where the person has only made one post and isn't an obvious and unmistakeable troll, you can't be quick to judge.
The way you handle negativism is important, and people really appreciate it when somebody with such a status as you is approachable. If you
can show somebody that you have a good head on your shoulders and are responsive to criticism, they'll be less judgmental of you. If you ban them... you'll make things worse.
That's just my opinion.
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It's not about wether he means it or exaggerates, it's about how he puts it. He can either say it in a impartial way or he can write it in a rude way intended to put me down. I'm absolutely clueless how you can think that "there is a big flaw in Saira's controls" is equivalent to "Saira has the worst control scheme ever in the history of platformers". The first one is fine to me, the second is exactly the stuff that sucks up all inspiration. Spend eight hours per day over a year on a project and then try to just be neutral and nice to somebody who says that aspects of it is the worst ever in the history of [insert subject here].
I could attempt to have a public illusion of "ooh I'm so open to opinions and can handle anything that people say to me without responding emotionally, even to strong exaggerated tactless criticism" and secretly take offense but just eat it all up pretend to be open to everything while it kills my inspiration, or I can be the asshole I truly am and be be offensive when someone is rude to me. I'd probably be a better person if I could handle the first alternative, but I just don't. :(
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Well, then that's fine. I don't support your attitude, but I won't be one to tell you to change it. :)
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Well okey then, Abracadabra, magical attitude change *bell tree sound effect*! I'm now immune to rude comments!
(I really wish that's how life works)
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I banned this user.
Bravo, Nifflas.
@Lighning Eagle: Mine also jams with left, up, down. I can't imagine why you'd need to use those three keys at the same time, though.
(I really wish that's how life works)
Indeed.
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I also had problems with the controls in Saira, but it did not make me dislike the game at all. I changed the buttons and moved on.
Although I get what Exp HP is saying, Nifflas does not need to refrain from emotion when someone attacks something he is passionate about.
People are entitled to criticisms and opinions, but show the artist some respect.
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Since this was the first and only post of ftmachine, and since it clearly wasn't spam, I would have waited at least for his/her second post before thinking of a ban. That said, I completely understand why Nifflas acted like this: it sort of was a personal offence, and registering to the Forum just to say that is extremely unpolite, to say the least.
I had problems with similar keyboard limitations more than 10 years ago, but I didn't know that using a modifier key instead of a normal one wouldn't count.
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anybody who signs up to the forum just to post such a blatantly dickish topic (sorry for the language, i know it's discouraged on this forum), clearly when it's a problem on his end, well, who could blame nifflas? i'm all for freedom of speech but i don't care what happens to a person with that kind of attitude. and in fact, the forum is better off without those types anyway. i really doubt it was a light-hearted "joke", i believe that it was just a troll trying to upset nifflas.