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Title: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: DoomGoon on December 12, 2009, 12:57:50
I just posted a "beat it" thread but didn't want to delve into any potential secret spoilers there.  

Not that I've really found anything secret yet... however, if you manage to make it all the way up left via jetting on "Dragon Noir" There is this thing here.  I don't remember if it had anything to do with a puzzle.  Anyone remember?

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Also, anyone catch any WADF/Knytt references?  Obviously there's the big one in one of the endings (don't remember the combination of parts offhand) but anyone notice anything else?  I swear a couple of the animals looked familiar.  I also wonder if we'll see "bird game"  :P2

Likewise, was trying to figure out what was marked on these plyers... I see an N and S so it's probably Nifflas or Nicklas.

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[mod]added spoiler tags.[/mod]
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: Beomene on December 12, 2009, 13:39:40
Wow, that statue is wonderful.
If you managed to get that, it means you are good at jumping walls and hurling yourself through the air with an outright deathwish...! I would never have figured that kamikaze move out if Nifflas hadn't showed me.
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: Miss Paula on December 12, 2009, 14:02:57
I've never seen those pliers, but there's also something that can be interpreted as a submacopter somewhere on that planet. :] (reference to QC)
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: Nifflas on December 12, 2009, 14:24:15
There's an interesting story behind the first picture. I originally attempted to animate Saira in Poser 5 but once I had the animations working I couldn't figure out how to put clothes on her. I realized I'd need to create clothes in 3D Studio Max or something to make them look like I wanted, so either I'd have to put use a naked heroine in the game or learn some other software. I decided to finally learn Anime Studio Pro better instead, which turned out to be a much better choice anyway.

As a reference I wanted to put the original Saira somewhere in the game.
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: LightningEagle on December 12, 2009, 19:47:23
Quote from: DoomGoon on December 12, 2009, 12:57:50
Not that I've really found anything secret yet... however, if you manage to make it all the way up left via jetting on "Dragon Noir" There is this thing here.  I don't remember if it had anything to do with a puzzle.  Anyone remember?

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)
Found it too and it's not part of a puzzle.
I just thought, hey.. an open space.. and I've got access to flying nearby.. let's check it out!

Quote from: DoomGoon on December 12, 2009, 12:57:50
Also, anyone catch any WADF/Knytt references?  Obviously there's the big one in one of the endings (don't remember the combination of parts offhand) but anyone notice anything else?  I swear a couple of the animals looked familiar.  I also wonder if we'll see "bird game"  :P2
The combination is:
Targeting Unit: Basic
Impulse Charge: High Power
Fuse: High Power


I noted down some numbers which was written on one of the generators in Dragons Noir, but they were never used anywhere. : /
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: PONTO on December 12, 2009, 19:54:49
Quote from: LightningEagle on December 12, 2009, 19:47:23
I noted down some numbers which was written on one of the generators in Dragons Noir, but they were never used anywhere. : /
Nifflas told me that was actually from the device he photographed, so there is really no meaning to it. =P
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: Miss Paula on December 12, 2009, 19:57:17
the blue generator has some braille on it which means "push! call" as far as I could figure out through extended research, but quite obviously it never turned out to mean anything significant for the game either. X)
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: LightningEagle on December 12, 2009, 19:58:35
Btw, which puzzles did you have the hardest time doing? I'd say the "programming puzzles" in Goldschmidt was great, but the heart-shaped one was pretty nasty. Apart from that I didn't really have much trouble. Not that it was too easy, the difficulty was fine, but... wouldn't mind them in a higher difficulty either.
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: PONTO on December 12, 2009, 20:03:48
Quote from: Miss Paula on December 12, 2009, 14:02:57
I've never seen those pliers, but there's also something that can be interpreted as a submacopter somewhere on that planet. :] (reference to QC)
Yes, you have to have seen the pliers, otherwise you would not have been able to recharge the spaceship. xD

But there is an even harder secret to find on Dragon Noir, which seems also to be a reference to the webcomic Questionable Content. Sorry, my bad...
Spoiler: What it looks like (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Hint (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: Nifflas on December 12, 2009, 20:06:27
That is not a QC reference! I wonder how many can reach it :D
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: PONTO on December 12, 2009, 20:08:36
It isn't? Then I misunderstood you when you told me about it. xD

What is it, then?
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: LightningEagle on December 12, 2009, 20:14:55
Btw, what did the "Ship Drive Extension" do anyway?

EDIT:
Now about references:
I'm sure it's not a reference, but the behavior of these creatures reminded me of the orange creatures on the outer wall in Cave Story
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/LightningEagle/creeps.png)
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: Nifflas on December 12, 2009, 20:28:33
Quote from: PONTO on December 12, 2009, 20:08:36
It isn't? Then I misunderstood you when you told me about it. xD

What is it, then?
It's just a radio playing a silly tune :)
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: PONTO on December 12, 2009, 20:37:25
Heh, it would have been cool if finding that thing unlocked the radio on the spaceship, then. Or some more stations. Too late for that, though. :P
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: Mathexpert on December 12, 2009, 22:36:09
The coming soon sign (with teh bird) looks like a reference from World Of Goo....
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: LightningEagle on December 12, 2009, 22:43:47
Quote from: Mathexpert on December 12, 2009, 22:36:09
The coming soon sign (with teh bird) looks like a reference from World Of Goo....
Nah, Saira was called Bird Game for a short period of time if I remember correct. There was even a picture of the Bird going around.
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: DoomGoon on December 12, 2009, 22:46:21
Yeah, I got to that other secret on Dragon Noir that you posted PONTO, but didn't want to post it until I had more time to look into it to see if it referenced anything  X)

I really wish I didn't have finals next week or I'd spend the weekend tearing apart this game.  I'm not one of those people who normally does that it games, but there's definitely something special about a Nifflas release.

*edit*

Spoiler: Major spoiler for Dragon Noir. (click to show/hide)

[mod]Put a big spoiler in spoiler tag.[/mod]
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: PONTO on December 13, 2009, 00:19:47
Hm... Maybe you should put that in spoilers... :P
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: DoomGoon on December 13, 2009, 02:56:23
Alright, final thing I looked into, regarding a song on the radio.  Decided I'd finally start using the Spoiler tag, although in this case I doubt there's a spoiler here!

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Today Nifflas also posted some
Spoiler: (click to show/hide)
in the editor forum.  Thought I'd document them here for archival purposes or whatever when other people finally start beating this game:

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Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: LightningEagle on December 13, 2009, 14:47:50
In the "good ending" Saira and Bobo see an article about Saira's disappearance.
It's a newspaper where the picture and heading is edited in.

I think the original article is this one:
http://www.folkbladet.nu/?p=154073 (http://www.folkbladet.nu/?p=154073)  :P2
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: PONTO on December 13, 2009, 19:34:34
I can't believe you found it! xD
Now I'm curious to know what it is about. :P
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: LightningEagle on December 13, 2009, 20:30:57
Quote from: PONTO on December 13, 2009, 19:34:34
I can't believe you found it! xD
Now I'm curious to know what it is about. :P

Politics.. but I suck a Swedish, so I can't tell you much more.  :P2

Vänsterpartiet would be a political party, though I can't be sure what their stands are. I'm pretty sure "Vänster" is left, but it could be like in Denmark where the political party called "Venstre" (meaning: Left) is actually right-wing.

arrgh.. politics.. they're difficult enough in ones own language.  :ohnoes:
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: Salmoneous on December 13, 2009, 21:18:36
Vänster is left, yes and they are kinda how to say. um... communistic party but still not but something like it. Bleh.
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: vickek on December 13, 2009, 22:55:19
On Hoffman i managed to get up above the terminal by running and then flying

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Although, there wasn't anything interesting on the other side :(

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: LightningEagle on December 13, 2009, 22:56:58
ah.. I think I've been there too. Maybe Nifflas has some note about this area too?  :D
I have definitely not been there... but it looked familiar  :huh:
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: PONTO on December 13, 2009, 23:07:54
I didn't think that was possible! You had to be REALLY fast! :O

EDIT: I pulled it off, but it took me some tries. Too bad Nifflas didn't put anything there... :(

EDIT2: Now I did that to the right! There is a small place up above the clock where you can land. Nothing special there as well, though... But the challenge is great. :)
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: Nifflas on December 14, 2009, 00:24:41
Quote from: LightningEagle on December 13, 2009, 22:56:58
ah.. I think I've been there too. Maybe Nifflas has some note about this area too?  :D
I have definitely not been there... but it looked familiar  :huh:
That room was added just hours before the game was released. I had got so many reports that people couldn't get up the vertical passage fast enough before the fly power ran out that I wanted to quickly do something about it before I let the game out. Of course, the problem about increasing the fly time is that suddenly it was possible to reach that platform as well, so I had to put something there. If I had more time, I would have put something interesting at that place but I knew I had to hurry.
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: PONTO on December 14, 2009, 00:38:45
That's going to be for version 1.1.1, right? :P
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: SiamJai on December 14, 2009, 10:12:41
Quote from: LightningEagle on December 12, 2009, 20:14:55
Btw, what did the "Ship Drive Extension" do anyway?

You know, I was wondering about the same thing ever since I got it.
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: PONTO on December 14, 2009, 10:15:00
I think goog said somewhere that it shortens the traveling time between systems.
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: SiamJai on December 14, 2009, 10:23:50
Quote from: PONTO on December 14, 2009, 10:15:00
I think goog said somewhere that it shortens the traveling time between systems.

Oh, I see. Thanks Ponto, I must've missed that. :)
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: LightningEagle on December 14, 2009, 11:07:42
Quote from: PONTO on December 14, 2009, 10:15:00
I think goog said somewhere that it shortens the traveling time between systems.
He mentioned it on Niffchat  :)
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: .viR on December 14, 2009, 21:06:15
Found that radio thing with F12, I also found how you get to it, couldn't do it though.
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: Dj Gopher on December 15, 2009, 05:24:49
So saira is bird game, or bird game is still coming? I am sort of confused..
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: Purple Pineapple on December 15, 2009, 05:33:41
Quote from: PONTO on December 12, 2009, 20:03:48
Spoiler: What it looks like (click to show/hide)
Found that and the two on the first post.

Quote from: SiamJai on December 14, 2009, 10:23:50
Quote from: PONTO on December 14, 2009, 10:15:00
I think goog said somewhere that it shortens the traveling time between systems.

Oh, I see. Thanks Ponto, I must've missed that. :)
It says so in the tutorial tip on that screen.

Quote from: Dj Gopher on December 15, 2009, 05:24:49
So saira is bird game, or bird game is still coming? I am sort of confused..
Saira was initially described as a game with a bird. The bird was on a billboard. How exciting, right?
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: SiamJai on December 15, 2009, 10:47:52
Quote from: Dj Gopher on December 15, 2009, 05:24:49
So saira is bird game, or bird game is still coming? I am sort of confused..

Nifflas announced earlier that he changed his mind about the main character in this game, but the bird sprites will be used in another game:

Quote from: Nifflas in a deleted topic
To tell the truth, I really liked the bird but it was not enough fun to use as a playable character, Saira is a much more fun character to control. I'll keep the bird sprites though, I have an idea for a game after Saira and NG in which I'd like to use it...

As the billboard says: "coming soon".  ;)
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: heartskuppy on December 17, 2009, 06:14:22
awesome! i assumed that was just a little easter egg and nothing more..
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: J on December 17, 2009, 10:58:22
Could be just that too. (Not saying it is either. :P) Nifflas' brain flings in unpredictable ways. ;)
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: Nifflas on December 17, 2009, 11:38:06
Sorry, the advert isn't for a game that is on the way, that was just a reference to the creation of the game itself.
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: heartskuppy on December 18, 2009, 06:04:29
oh, so i was right to begin with. X) no need to apologise, i just misinterpretted.
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: karooble on December 18, 2009, 06:06:41
Quote from: Nifflas on December 17, 2009, 11:38:06
Sorry, the advert isn't for a game that is on the way, that was just a reference to the creation of the game itself.

I'm sure you need a break after getting this out the door!  C)p
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: Two-Face on December 20, 2009, 20:55:14
I am not sure if I had used that code, but I have finished the game and I still haven't deleted the photo of it, so can somebody tell me what is it for?  :huh:
Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

And also I wonder if you can do something whit the computers in the control room of Explorer XLII. All I see is "Load Error".
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: AA on December 20, 2009, 21:10:07
Quote from: Two-Face on December 20, 2009, 20:55:14
I am not sure if I had used that code, but I have finished the game and I still haven't deleted the photo of it, so can somebody tell me what is it for?  :huh:

It's the solution to a puzzle on the other planet. How did you solve it without the hint? O_o
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: PONTO on December 20, 2009, 21:31:26
I didn't need it either. That is a map of the distribution of the checkpoints in Claymore. You don't really need it, as you can memorize the locations of the checkpoints.

About the computers on Explorer XLII, I don't think there is anything else to them.
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: LightningEagle on December 20, 2009, 21:35:06
Quote from: PONTO on December 20, 2009, 21:31:26
I didn't need it either. That is a map of the distribution of the checkpoints in Claymore. You don't really need it, as you can memorize the locations of the checkpoints.

About the computers on Explorer XLII, I don't think there is anything else to them.
Yeah, I just memorized them as I passed them when exploring the planet.
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: .viR on December 20, 2009, 22:40:14
So THAT's what it's for.
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: Miss Paula on December 20, 2009, 22:49:39
oh god a great mystery is solved. I mean really I was totally confused about that too. I made a map on paper for that puzzle. oh my.
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: .viR on December 21, 2009, 00:46:06
I quite liked it though, had to scout around before doing it.
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: heartskuppy on December 21, 2009, 03:18:38
Quote from: Miss Paula on December 20, 2009, 22:49:39
oh god a great mystery is solved. I mean really I was totally confused about that too.

that was really bugging me as well. i also just memorised the correct path.
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: Purple Pineapple on December 21, 2009, 03:35:54
Quote from: Miss Paula on December 20, 2009, 22:49:39
oh god a great mystery is solved. I mean really I was totally confused about that too. I made a map on paper for that puzzle. oh my.
I made a map like that on my walkthrough, so I was constantly looking at it. Then, when I saw it for the second time I said, "Hey! That looks awefully familiar." :P
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: herteby on January 10, 2010, 20:36:04
Spoiler: (click to show/hide)
Weird, I drew a map myself, and I too used a star to represent the start-terminal.  :O

Btw, here's the submacopter
Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Awesome font on aikotoba, does anyone know what it is?
Edit: It seems to be Museo 500 (http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/exljbris/museo/500/), and 3 of the 5 weights are free!
Spoiler: (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: Purple Pineapple on January 10, 2010, 20:50:19
Quote from: herteby on January 10, 2010, 20:36:04
Btw, here's the submacopter
Spoiler: (click to show/hide)
Forgot about that one. :P Is there even a way out of that room?
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: herteby on January 10, 2010, 20:52:27
You just jump up the way you came in, obvious if you look at the picture  X-P
(The red parts aren't dangerous, they're just painted I guess)
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: Purple Pineapple on January 10, 2010, 22:06:13
I didn't think she could jump that high. I seem to remember getting stuck there.
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: mcbpete on January 26, 2010, 21:40:24
I remember taking this photo assuming that it was for a puzzle, but don't remember using it at any point:

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Is this number used at all ?
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: googoogjoob on January 26, 2010, 22:02:32
I see no numbers in that screenshot.
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: mcbpete on January 26, 2010, 23:08:45
sorry, I uploaded the wrong photo  X) ! I've just updated my post with the correct picture...
Title: Re: Secrets (Obvious Spoilers Ahoy!)
Post by: Miss Paula on January 27, 2010, 00:29:08
I think that has been addressed before. those numbers aren't used anywhere, they were there when Nifflas took the photo. So they're original blurb.