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Title: Mafia 5 game thread *It's over!*
Post by: LimeLemon on August 18, 2009, 20:36:30
We have begun.
Please confirm you received my PM.

The roles:

The Good
The goal for the 'good' citizens is to kill the members of the Mafia. If all members of the Mafia is dead, the good ones win!

Innocent
I will assign this identity to most citizens.

The Detective
I will assign this identity to one citizen. The detective can investigate one citizen each night, in order to find out the person's true identity.

The Doctor
I will assign this identity to one citizen. The doctor will chose a citizen to protect each night. If the Mafia tries to kill that specific citizen during that night, the doctor will prevent it.

The Bad
The goal for the bad citizens is to kill the good ones. When they equal or outnumber the town, they win!

The Don
I will assign this identity to one citizen. As the name implies, the Don is the leader of the Mafia. Each night the Don will let me know who to kill, and how the citizen should be killed. The Don also communicates with the other Mafia members through PM's (or any other method of choice), and takes suggestions about who to kill.
If the Don dies, the other Mafia Member will become the Don.

Mafia Member
There is one mafia member. He discusses with the Don who to kill each night.

The rules:

No posting in the thread during night time. Any other means of communication is allowed, though.
Be active. Try to post at least once a day.
When a person receives over 50% of the votes, he is lynched. Even if someone unvotes before I notice. If the time runs out the person with the most votes will be lynched. If two or more players have the same number of votes, one will be selected randomly.
Almost forgot: No editing/deleting posts! Under no circumstances! Think twice before you post.

Day 1 will begin now and have a time limit of one week.

The peaceful inhabitants of Nifftown wakes up this morning and goes to the town square as usual, only to find the major dead. The mafia is amongst them! Try to find the guilty persons and bring them to the guillotine.

Players alive:

Dataflashsabot, Townie
Razzorman, Investigator
shawnachu, Townie
Lunar_Tick, Doctor

Dead players:

Salmoneous, Townie, lynchyed day 1
Purple Pineapple, Townie, killed night 1
Budja, Mafia member, lynched day 2
Bored2death, Don, lynched day 3

Town victory!
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Razzorman on August 18, 2009, 20:38:52
I got my role. I confirm.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Shawnachu on August 18, 2009, 20:40:24
Hold on a sec: If the Don dies, is the mafia unable to kill?
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Salmoneous on August 18, 2009, 20:41:56
I was just thinking about that Shawn, stupid question thought.

edit: oh I confirm.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: LimeLemon on August 18, 2009, 20:48:36
Woah, that was quick, guys!

And to answer shawnachu's question:
No, then the Mafia Member will become the Don. I'm sorry I missed that, I will add it to the first post now (I also missed it in the PMs I sent them).
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Dataflashsabot on August 18, 2009, 20:49:40
Erm shouldn't we do the confirmation in the other thread? The purpose of this one is to avoid that clutter. Anyways I confirm.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 18, 2009, 20:54:35
I confirm.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Lunar_Tick on August 18, 2009, 22:32:45
Hey there.
Could we get a playerlist, mod? Thanks.
Also private communication is only useful if you are the seer, or masquerading as the seer, so say what you have to say in the thread, otherwise, surely.

Bored2Death
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Shawnachu on August 18, 2009, 22:57:20
Mkay, I confirm
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: LimeLemon on August 18, 2009, 22:58:38
Hey there.
Could we get a playerlist, mod? Thanks.
Also private communication is only useful if you are the seer, or masquerading as the seer, so say what you have to say in the thread, otherwise, surely.

Bored2Death

...no I'm not going on a queer masquerade. Also, did you just vote for absolutely no reason? It's, like, the total opposite of what you try to enforce others to do!
I other words: Good job, keep it up! :crazy:
Oh and I know why you did it. But I probably shouldn't be making these comments... I'm the host. I shouldn't interfere in the game, or comment on in-game stuff.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 18, 2009, 23:06:46
Hey there.
Could we get a playerlist, mod? Thanks.
Also private communication is only useful if you are the seer, or masquerading as the seer, so say what you have to say in the thread, otherwise, surely.

Bored2Death

...no I'm not going on a queer masquerade. Also, did you just vote for absolutely no reason? It's, like, the total opposite of what you try to enforce others to do!
I other words: Good job, keep it up!
:crazy:
Oh and I know why you did it. But I probably shouldn't be making these comments... I'm the host. I shouldn't interfere in the game, or comment on in-game stuff.

Yeah, and he'll totally destroy the town by doing so. It does strike me as suspicious that Lunar_Tick is voting so quickly, especially considering we've been given a week to seek out the scum. As for why he did it? LimeLemon??? Seems as if you know he would benefit from quick, random lynches... now, why would that be? If we are allowed to do so, I have my FOS on Lunar_Tick.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Lunar_Tick on August 18, 2009, 23:55:01
Also, did you just vote for absolutely no reason? It's, like, the total opposite of what you try to enforce others to do!
Nah, someone always has to random vote D1 to tease out some kind of response. This game it was me.

Yeah, and he'll totally destroy the town by doing so.
:S
I'm confused.
Who is 'he'? Me, I assume?
What is 'so' that is being done?
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Purple Pineapple on August 19, 2009, 00:16:09
Hey there.
Could we get a playerlist, mod? Thanks.
Also private communication is only useful if you are the seer, or masquerading as the seer, so say what you have to say in the thread, otherwise, surely.

Bored2Death
There is no way Bored2death is the mafia! I happen to know that for a fact guess. vote:Lunar_Tick


Hey there.
Could we get a playerlist, mod? Thanks.
Also private communication is only useful if you are the seer, or masquerading as the seer, so say what you have to say in the thread, otherwise, surely.

Bored2Death

...no I'm not going on a queer masquerade. Also, did you just vote for absolutely no reason? It's, like, the total opposite of what you try to enforce others to do!
I other words: Good job, keep it up!
:crazy:
Oh and I know why you did it. But I probably shouldn't be making these comments... I'm the host. I shouldn't interfere in the game, or comment on in-game stuff.

Yeah, and he'll totally destroy the town by doing so. It does strike me as suspicious that Lunar_Tick is voting so quickly, especially considering we've been given a week to seek out the scum. As for why he did it? LimeLemon??? Seems as if you know he would benefit from quick, random lynches... now, why would that be? If we are allowed to do so, I have my FOS on Lunar_Tick.
Tsk, tsk bored. This is no time for FoSing! It's time to act. To stand up and say I am the mafia and everyone should vote me! No. To say I know who the mafia is, and they will be dead by sunrise! No.. wait. Dangit. vote:Bored2death (Note that I didn't unvote and that wasn't in bold.)

Confirmed.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Purple Pineapple on August 19, 2009, 00:30:13
Innocent
I will assign this identity to most citizens.

Aha! With 8 players and 4 special roles, you can't assign the innocent to "most" players. Therefore, one of the special roles was not assigned. Could it be the doctor or investigator? No; That tips the scale far towards the mafia! Could it be the don? No; with no don, there's no mafia, and yet the game is running. The missing role is therefore the mafia member! Yet, each role clearly states:

There is one ----

There is one extra player therefore! That would explain why the sign-ups fell short. Now let's see.. who could it be? Recent posters include: Hmph, Mathexpert, Pick yer poison, LPChip, googoogjoob, and BlackM.1

We can rule out BlackM.1 and hmph based on inactivity, and moderators rarely sign up to something like this. This leaves Pick yer poison and Mathexpert. Although Pick yer poison doesn't seem very sneaky, he's still a suspect. I therefore unvote and place my vote on Mathexpert, who clearly PMed LimeLemon and was given a secret role. It is unlikely for this role to be non-scummy, considering all the trouble Mathexpert went through to get it.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Shawnachu on August 19, 2009, 01:01:52
Or maybe Limelemon made a typo and you're just crazy :P
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 19, 2009, 01:11:32
Or maybe Limelemon made a typo and you're just crazy :P
Purple Pineapple, crazy??? No way!  C)p
Poor Mathexpert, killed even though he's probably not in the game...
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Lunar_Tick on August 19, 2009, 09:22:06
Or maybe Limelemon made a typo and you're just crazy :P
Indeed.  ;)
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Razzorman on August 19, 2009, 12:30:11
So, um.. PP? What the heck are you doing?
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: LimeLemon on August 19, 2009, 12:31:08
Or maybe Limelemon made a typo and you're just crazy :P
Indeed.  ;)
Yes. There are 8 players and 4 special roles. The role list was a (slightly edited) copypasta.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Dataflashsabot on August 19, 2009, 16:15:47
Sooooo
Spoiler: o (click to show/hide)
ooo...
We have nothing to go on.[paranoidrandomvote]BUT! Why did Purple Pineapple look so much into something so simple?!?! vote:Purple Pineapple.[/paranoidrandomvote]
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Lunar_Tick on August 19, 2009, 17:22:44
Where's budja?
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 19, 2009, 18:28:38
Good question. Has he even been on recently? Limelemon, has everyone confirmed their roles?
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: LimeLemon on August 19, 2009, 19:25:21
Everyone but Budja.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Purple Pineapple on August 19, 2009, 20:34:40
Yes. There are 8 players and 4 special roles.
Ah.. right.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Lunar_Tick on August 19, 2009, 23:08:31
On Bored:
Your FoS in post #10 seems as if it is not a random action; it seems more reasoned, as does the rest of the post. Which is why I find the fact that you have overlooked (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, for now) post #11 intriguing, to say the least.

On the other hand, your FoS might just be a mild OMGUS reation to my vote.

On Purple Pineapple:
I could blame it on the distortion of your posts by the internet, but I have no idea how serious you are (or were) about your opinions/evidence/votes in posts #12 & #13. Care to elaborate on seriousness, past and present?

Also, I don't get what you mean by
Quote
Ah.. right.
in post #23. I mean, I don't see how that piece of info threw out your conspiracy theory, you seemed pretty convinved of yourself. (? I'm assuming things so go on and clarify the whole things)

And, voteswitching like that is a blatant sign of scum, although I will grant it you, as it is only D1, i Suppose.

Or maybe Limelemon made a typo and you're just crazy :P
Huh? What typo?
(I think not noticing it probably bore my confusion about PP's mini-rant)

Budja is probably face down in a ditch somewhere, he would be more active than this.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 19, 2009, 23:21:35
On Bored:
Your FoS in post #10 seems as if it is not a random action; it seems more reasoned, as does the rest of the post. Which is why I find the fact that you have overlooked (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, for now) post #11 intriguing, to say the least.

On the other hand, your FoS might just be a mild OMGUS reation to my vote.

Is reason, then, a bad thing? I actually noticed it cause a certain mafia game moderator pointed it out, and, indeed, when looking at your history, it was entirely different from your past style of game play. As for post#11, if you are referring to your question, here's my answer. It was you I was thinking of, and it was voting for a pro town role that could lead to all of our demise. Notice, I am reluctant to vote on the first day, because I don't know who to vote for... the mafia are, no doubt, going to mess with our minds. Seems Purple Pineapple has done that, though... Currently, I will remove my FoS in favor of gathering more information first (we still have like 5 or 6 days to root out the scum). I think this covers about everything that I know to this point. Also, you are acting like you have in the past again. As you said, someone had to start of the votes, though we must take our time and reason things thru before making a final decision. I expected to have less time for Day 1, but fortunately, we have a lot more! Therefore, a random vote does not seem to be the way to go at this point.
@Purple Pineapple, your actions do seem a little... paranoid... maybe you're the doctor or invest., though with a power role, and you're not sure what to do. If you continue to act so... strangely... I may indeed consider voting.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Purple Pineapple on August 20, 2009, 02:30:35
@Purple Pineapple, your actions do seem a little... paranoid... maybe you're the doctor or invest., though with a power role, and you're not sure what to do. If you continue to act so... strangely... I may indeed consider voting.
Hah! Strangely? Is it not obvious that Mathexpert is the mafia! I also happen to know, from his profile, the following:

His email is mathexpert9981@yahoo.com: Aha! It's clear! Who would create an inconspicuous email account at a public host, if they were not afraid of being traced. This is quite obviously a mafia tell, as it is highly unlikely for a loon such as the serial killer to go to such great lengths to defend himself.

In his sig, there is a pokeplushie: What could be cuter than a pokeplushie? Huh? It's name is "Bread with ham!" Obviously trying to fool us into thinking he has no ill intentions!

Location: somewhere in CA..... Clear evidence of a lurker.

youtube channel: Note the only non-Niff related video on there: snowdrift. At the very beginning. it shows a yahoo page entitled "mall hands out 50$ bills." Signs of a mercenary?

Userbar: , which happens to cycle through nitrome fan, piano player, metroid prime 3 lover, nintendo wii, piano player, pizza lover, and meta knight fan. Note that piano player appears there twice. Trying to make us think he's gifted with a non-violent instrument, such as the piano. With this subliminal message, he invades our subconsciousness!
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 20, 2009, 04:37:06
I think I know what role Purple is playing... a hidden role, the *cough* joker *cough* or is just trying to mess the game up...
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Budja on August 20, 2009, 06:55:48
Quote from: Lunar
Budja is probably face down in a ditch somewhere, he would be more active than this.
Haha, I have very limited access most of Wed/Thurs at Uni. Expect usual content from now.

Not much to go off yet, Purple is been random (a little too random IMO). With a short game we have to pick up the pace quickly!

Ok, so what does the town think of this idea?
Cop claims, doctor protects them every night. The cop reveal their results every morning.
Your thoughts?
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Lunar_Tick on August 20, 2009, 08:53:46
On Bored:
Before I analyse quote by quote, I must say I found your post slightly demagogue-ey, although that might be your playstyle or something. I shrugged.

Is reason, then, a bad thing?
No, I didn't imply that, I hope.

What I meant is that your post (#10) could be either interpreted as a decent attempt at reason (in which case should be taken totally seriously, despite the fact that you didn't have many facts at your disposal anyway) or a quasi-random vote. It is clear now that it is definitely the former.

Had it been the latter, then you ignoring a direct question would be forgivable, since your FoS and arguments weren't taken so seriously. And that is my logic to back-up the statement:
Quote
I find the fact that you have overlooked post #11 intriguing, to say the least.
.
Which is a watered down accusation of suspicion/ignoring questions.

I actually noticed it cause a certain mafia game moderator pointed it out, and, indeed, when looking at your history, it was entirely different from your past style of game play.
Again, no idea what you're talking about. "It"? My history? Isn't my history entirely the same as my past style of game play?

It was you I was thinking of, and it was voting for a pro town role that could lead to all of our demise. Notice, I am reluctant to vote on the first day, because I don't know who to vote for... the mafia are, no doubt, going to mess with our minds. [...]. Currently, I will remove my FoS in favor of gathering more information first [...].
Said demagoguery and filler rhetoric.

Also, you are acting like you have in the past again.
This contradicts with
[...] when looking at your history, it was entirely different from your past style of game play
this?

If you continue to act so... strangely... I may indeed consider voting.
Acting strangely isn't necessarily acting scummily.
This sentence implies that you find PP's actions up to now scummy, at least slightly. What do you find scummy in PP?

I think I know what role Purple is playing... a hidden role, the *cough* joker *cough* or is just trying to mess the game up...
Or maybe he has that strange thing called an awkward sense of humour.  :huh:

On Data:
Is your vote on PP totally and completely random? If so it is useless and of no value.
Let us assume it isn't such a random vote. Do you think that PP's strange behaviour is scummy for its strangeness or for something else? Or is it not his strangeness that made you vote?

On Salmoneous:
Are you gonna say anything D1 or shall we count on your formulaic brevity?
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Lunar_Tick on August 20, 2009, 09:01:59
Ok, so what does the town think of this idea?
Cop claims, doctor protects them every night. The cop reveal their results every morning.
Your thoughts?
How about the investigator does this when he or she finds some scum?
That seems more logical than for the town to just reveal all its roles -- Wait.

The town gets to PM each other, during the day and night. Why would the Investigator prefer to reveal himself rather than compose a clandestine voting bloc of innocents?

The roleclaiming strategy you outlined works, and not that well, when the town is forced to do something drastic but cant communicate and coordinate with people they know are town. In this case it's totally different. Did you conveniently forget that, Budja?

Explain yourself.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Razzorman on August 20, 2009, 12:36:31
Ok, so what does the town think of this idea?
Cop claims, doctor protects them every night. The cop reveal their results every morning.
Your thoughts?
Hmm... No. I don't like this idea. Did you really think this through budja, or did you expect us not to?

It would mean that the mafia knows for sure who the investigator is, but the investigator will be as clueless as anybody else.
It would also leave the entire town open for nightkill, meaning the mafia will have a chance of 25% to kill the doctor the first night if we don't lynch one of them. 20% if we do.
We need to lynch one mafia member before day 3, or they will win, because even if this guarantees that the investigator survives to day 3, it also guarantees that the mafia will have 100% chance to nightkill someone, thus making the doctor almost powerless.
If the doctor can stop one nightkill attempt, we will have a lot more time to find the mafia.

How about this?
The doctor protects himself, and the investigator reveals results when he finds scum?
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 20, 2009, 17:54:06
On Lunar: By your past style of play, I am referring to the providing all facts before voting. You started the game the opposite way, by random voting right away. I hadn't, personally, seen you random vote before, so it was a shock. However, now you're acting like you used to again, posting your thoughts on everyone. Therefore, my later statement would contradict my earlier one, because NOW you're acting like you have in the past games. Also, on PP: I think that he doesn't seem like scum, but this might be his way of protecting himself... there are still not enough facts to vote and be certain enough that we will hunt out scum.
 
On Budja: are you crazy? The cop reveals himself? Yes, it'd be nice to be reassured that the investigator lives each night, and isn't killed, but doing so will insure that the mafia will be able to kill anyone else, including the doctor. I understand that you're trying to introduce a new strategy, but it wouldn't work all that well. I agree with Lunar_Tick and Razzorman on this issue. Now, what would be even better, perhaps, would be if we could have the investigator write an anonymous note, and Limelemon puts it up after it's written, like in the morning, or before someone's lynched or something. Of course, this would work better in a bigger game, where the mafia don't have a good chance of killing the investigator the first night... which would basically end the game right there. It would be nice if we did have more players...

On Salmoneous: where are you? Are you perchance waiting for the night, so you can fulfill some devious (or investigative) actions? It seems kind of suspicious...

On PP: While I don't think he's scum, necessarily, his attitude doesn't seem the most pro-town. By trying to get us to lynch Mathexpert, who isn't even in the game, he's trying to get us to waste a valuable lynching opportunity, the best we actually have at the moment. With this short of a game, we need to hit the mafia day one, or one of our power roles may be taken out, and then we're basically sitting ducks, with a very small chance of victory. This is why I find his actions strange.

On Razzorman: Doesn't seem very strange yet, though his posts each only concentrate on one thing that's been said, usually something, though, that would hurt the town if it was followed through (ie, voting for mathexpert, or the cop claiming right away). I'm not sure what to think, though he seems pro town.

On Data: I've noticed that you said the whole paranoid random vote thing, but THEN you supplied a reason for voting for PP. You contradict yourself there, because it's not entirely random if you have SOME reason. Seems a little bit scummy, but mostly town.

On Shawn: haven't seen much activity from you, what are your thoughts on everything? Might be in the same boat as Salmoneous... waiting till the night, when he can perform some action... seems a little scummy, but if you haven't been able to get on, then it's understandable.

On Bored: Do you guys really trust him? I mean, come on! Everything he says contradicts himself, he's trying to use REASON to vote and root out the scum, he's trying to keep an open mind so he doesn't ignore clues as to who the scum is, and he has a pokeplushie that he had before the game, and it's named Grim. OBVIOusly he's scum, I mean, come on. Vote: Bored2death (notice, it's not in bold :P2)
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Shawnachu on August 20, 2009, 18:22:08
Okay, my thoughts so far.

Lunar started off the game kinda strange. I haven't seen him do that in the past games, but rather waited for others to start off the vote :/

@Budja: Seems like a good idea, but if the doctor gets lynched, the entire plan falls apart: Mafia then proceeds to kill off the Cop and we're pretty much screwed.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: LimeLemon on August 20, 2009, 21:16:03
Almost forgot this rule: No editing/deleting posts! Under no circumstances! Think twice before you post.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Purple Pineapple on August 20, 2009, 22:52:50
I think I know what role Purple is playing... a hidden role, the *cough* joker *cough* or is just trying to mess the game up...
Or maybe he has that strange thing called an awkward sense of humour.  :huh:
Also, on PP: I think that he doesn't seem like scum, but this might be his way of protecting himself... there are still not enough facts to vote and be certain enough that we will hunt out scum.

[...]

On PP: While I don't think he's scum, necessarily, his attitude doesn't seem the most pro-town. By trying to get us to lynch Mathexpert, who isn't even in the game, he's trying to get us to waste a valuable lynching opportunity, the best we actually have at the moment. With this short of a game, we need to hit the mafia day one, or one of our power roles may be taken out, and then we're basically sitting ducks, with a very small chance of victory. This is why I find his actions strange.
WHAT? Come on guys! I'm clearly scum. So is mathexpert. We're the mafia! Hah. What now? Oooh. Mathexpert and I are the mafia. What're you going to do about it. I mean look. I've got an authentic scum cape? <_<
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Lunar_Tick on August 20, 2009, 23:12:38
Yeah, PP.
That is the kind of randomness which basically covers up for the mafia completely. You're killing the town.

And hey, if you want to be lynched, just say so.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Purple Pineapple on August 20, 2009, 23:17:50
And hey, if you want to be lynched, just say so.
:shifty:

Ok.. maybe I should stop acting.. stupid. Sorry. :/
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Lunar_Tick on August 20, 2009, 23:23:31
Initailly garners a titter, but tactically tripe in the long term.  :P2
What are your actual opinions?
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Purple Pineapple on August 21, 2009, 00:42:38
I'm actually keeping track of every single post in this game, and there's not much currently.

There are 8 roles in the game, 2 of which are mafia. Both mafia must be lynched by day 3. On day 3, there are 2 good, 2 mafia. Chances of the inv finding one by then are 3/7. The doc can protect whomever he wants. It won't matter. Our only chance best hope is to lynch a mafia right now, and that won't be easy. If anyone, Lunar looks most suspicious or least anxious.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 21, 2009, 01:02:33
I'm actually keeping track of every single post in this game, and there's not much currently.

There are 8 roles in the game, 2 of which are mafia. Both mafia must be lynched by day 3. On day 3, there are 2 good, 2 mafia. Chances of the inv finding one by then are 3/7. The doc can protect whomever he wants. It won't matter. Our only chance best hope is to lynch a mafia right now, and that won't be easy. If anyone, Lunar looks most suspicious or least anxious.

We do need to ensure our votes are wise. I'm not positive that Lunar is the most suspicious right now, he's just supplying the facts and his opinions as he has in the past, but the beginning when he voted was definitely NOT how he usually acted.
And hey, if you want to be lynched, just say so.
This seems to me to be suspicious, however. It seems to imply that Lunar_Tick is okay with lynching you, PP, even though we have so little time to find the right person to lynch. He doesn't seem very anxious, though. Say, how many days do we have left to locate the scum before day 1 ends?
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Purple Pineapple on August 21, 2009, 01:40:58
August 25, 19:36:00

Roughly 5 days.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Purple Pineapple on August 21, 2009, 01:41:26
19:36:30, but whatever. No editing posts.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 21, 2009, 01:52:30
Alright. Five days to find the scum... we SHOULD be able to do this... where is Elder, anyway??? He hasn't posted hardly anything at all...
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Mathexpert on August 21, 2009, 02:01:23
Okay... Im Laughing so hard right now... Im not even in the game... :P

His email is mathexpert9981@yahoo.com: Aha! It's clear! Who would create an inconspicuous email account at a public host, if they were not afraid of being traced. This is quite obviously a mafia tell, as it is highly unlikely for a loon such as the serial killer to go to such great lengths to defend himself.

In his sig, there is a pokeplushie: What could be cuter than a pokeplushie? Huh? It's name is "Bread with ham!" Obviously trying to fool us into thinking he has no ill intentions!

Location: somewhere in CA..... Clear evidence of a lurker.

youtube channel: Note the only non-Niff related video on there: snowdrift. At the very beginning. it shows a yahoo page entitled "mall hands out 50$ bills." Signs of a mercenary?

Userbar: , which happens to cycle through nitrome fan, piano player, metroid prime 3 lover, nintendo wii, piano player, pizza lover, and meta knight fan. Note that piano player appears there twice. Trying to make us think he's gifted with a non-violent instrument, such as the piano. With this subliminal message, he invades our subconsciousness!
and what about mah weretaco avie? it is cute and  >) at the same time, no?
EDIT: am i even allowed to post, since Im not in teh game?  :huh:
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Budja on August 21, 2009, 05:00:51
Quote from: Lunar
The roleclaiming strategy you outlined works, and not that well, when the town is forced to do something drastic but cant communicate and coordinate with people they know are town. In this case it's totally different. Did you conveniently forget that, Budja?

We have
 a.) no mafia roleblocker.
 b.) 8 players: meaning that 6 of those are town.

Not really a bad plan given the facts. It generally has IMO equal pro's and con's here so I mentioned it to provoke discussion.

I'll admit I didn't take note of the night-talk. I tend to skim rules a lot.

Purple Pineapple, B2D are giving me a paranoid townie feel.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 21, 2009, 19:25:26
Well, I may be paranoid, but at least I'm townie!
My thoughts on the night talk: do we really know whether or not the pm's we receive at night are from a townie or not? How can you know, for sure, that someone is a townie? I get the feeling any one of you could be the mafia, and you'd PM us to convince us that you're not mafia, just townie. How would we know this for truth? Therefore, night talking isn't going to solve many of our problems. We need to locate the scum, and most likely they're the ones in the back, not posting because they are afraid of revealing themselves. Has ANYONE seen Salmoneous join the conversation? And Shawnachu's made one post, but right now Salmoneous has been asked to post several times and has not. I think I'm ready to vote, but I'd like to see other opinions first.

Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Purple Pineapple on August 21, 2009, 19:36:41
If we did ask everyone to roleclaim, we'd get:
1: innocent
2: innocent
3: innocent
4: innocent
5: investigator
6: doctor
7: ?
8: ?

If the mafia claimed town, they would know who the doctor and investigator are, and we wouldn't be any farther along, so that idea's out.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Purple Pineapple on August 21, 2009, 19:37:33
Chances of the inv finding one by then are 3/7.
My bad, 4/7.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 21, 2009, 19:54:59
If we did ask everyone to roleclaim, we'd get:
1: innocent
2: innocent
3: innocent
4: innocent
5: investigator
6: doctor
7: ?
8: ?

If the mafia claimed town, they would know who the doctor and investigator are, and we wouldn't be any farther along, so that idea's out.
If this is a response to my post, please note that I did not ask people to roleclaim. I know what that would lead to. I'm not a fool. All I said was that we can't trust the night talking, so it isn't as big of an advantage as some have suggested.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Razzorman on August 21, 2009, 21:54:42
Night talking, and any kind of pm activity would be kind of pointless to the town. We can't cooperate if everyone doesn't talk to everyone, and we need to cooperate to find the mafia.

If we did ask everyone to roleclaim, we'd get:
[...]
If the mafia claimed town, they would know who the doctor and investigator are, and we wouldn't be any farther along, so that idea's out.
The mafia will claim town, unless they are suicidal. If the mafia claimed power roles, they could potentially get us lynch the real investigator/doctor, but we would know who they are the next day.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Lunar_Tick on August 21, 2009, 21:56:39
On the plans:
Well I think it is quite a bad plan, Budja.

I'm going to leave the obvious things out since they're --well, isn't it obvious?-- obvious.
The two are pretty much mutually exclusive.

a) Pros: Anonymity of the Investigator, anonymity of the townies in his block, private coordination within that block, mafia has as little as information as possible
Cons: Not all the town votes with complete information although this can be helped

b) Pros: Everyone knows about who's innocent/guilty, Protection of the Investigator (at least until Doc is killed)
Cons: Mafia knows about the identity of the Investigator, mafia knows the identity of all the people the investigator investigates.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Purple Pineapple on August 21, 2009, 22:51:34
If we did ask everyone to roleclaim, we'd get:
1: innocent
2: innocent
3: innocent
4: innocent
5: investigator
6: doctor
7: ?
8: ?

If the mafia claimed town, they would know who the doctor and investigator are, and we wouldn't be any farther along, so that idea's out.
If this is a response to my post, please note that I did not ask people to roleclaim. I know what that would lead to. I'm not a fool. All I said was that we can't trust the night talking, so it isn't as big of an advantage as some have suggested.
I wasn't responding to your post, I was responding to whomever your post was responding to.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 21, 2009, 23:07:47
I see. So you were responding to Budja, then.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 23, 2009, 03:13:35
Sorry for the double post, but its been more than a day. In an attempt to get this game moving again, I vote: Salmoneous, because he has not responded to any questions concerning his inactivity, though he has been on numerous times, while so far, everyone except maybe PP gives a fairly pro-town vibe. (no offense meant, PP, but that stuff before was just masking whoever the real mafia are). If further evidence arises, I will, of course, be willing to change my vote to a person that seems even more scummy. For now, though, based off current facts, this is what I will do.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Purple Pineapple on August 23, 2009, 03:52:49
We've got three days left. There's no reason to go around voting innactives.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 23, 2009, 03:56:58
No one had been active in more than a day. I knew that this would get some more activity.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Budja on August 23, 2009, 06:13:56
I was expecting talk to happen but...

Well, theres nothing wrong with voting inactives or those who have proven to be unhelpful in the past.
vote: Salmoneous

PP misreps me a bit, I was not suggesting a mass claim. (mildly scummy action but gut town feel).
Bored seems to be interested in scumhunting but is been quite chaotic, (null).
No read on Lunar or Razz, (null).
No-one else has posted in a while.

TBH, I don't have many leads.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 23, 2009, 06:39:45
Quite chaotic? How so?
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Purple Pineapple on August 23, 2009, 06:40:50
@mafia: You're doing a good job of blending into the town.
@town: You're doing a good job of being grey. Very grey.

The town is so dead. :/
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Purple Pineapple on August 23, 2009, 06:41:24
Quite chaotic? How so?
Not headed in any certain direction?
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 23, 2009, 06:44:06
Oh, I see. Much the same could be said of Lunar, though. We give our honest opinions on everybody, at least... I did. As for your doom predictions... we still have SOME hope. We'd have more if people would actually discuss things instead of do absolutely nothing, so we could see who among us has a guilty conscience, and killed our mayor.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Budja on August 23, 2009, 06:59:41
@Bored, you seem to be all over the place with your ideas and are confusing = chaotic. Your thoughts are hard to follow.

Quote from: PP
@town: You're doing a good job of being grey. Very grey.
Your being a little hypocritical here I must say.

Lurkers:
Salmoneous - nothing at all
Dataflashsabot - only a random vote
shawnachu - small comment on my idea.

Speak up.

Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 23, 2009, 07:31:45
@Bored, you seem to be all over the place with your ideas and are confusing = chaotic. Your thoughts are hard to follow.

I'm sorry... I just right down things directly from my head, unlike some, who try to calculate their posts to appear non-scummy. I write exactly what I see as I see it. All I know is included in these posts. (although, there was a joke in my last huge post  XD)
boiling it down to my thoughts at this time:
1: On Lunar: seems strange he voted the very first thing, before anyone even began talking about anything, considering that in the past, he has always hung in the back, waiting for a chance to write down his opinions on everyone at the time, so people can make more informed votes. He usually does a good job of this, finding facts that others miss. So, a quick, random vote is not in style for him, it seems, though now he has returned to his previous style of play.

2: On Purple: His initial game play strategy was a little abnormal, considering what he's like around the forum. Maybe he was trying to cover for a mafia member? Maybe he's one? I really don't know, though he has shaped up, and his comment on the town as a whole:

@town: You're doing a good job of being grey. Very grey.

The town is so dead. :/
seems suspicious. He appears to address the town as a member of something different, but he does the same of the mafia. Plus, he could of just said: we are so dead, instead of "the town is so dead". Seems like this is an anti-town mood.

3: Budja: his ideas seem a little bit... dangerous, for the town, but it's good to see he's trying to find a way we can all win in the limited time we have. However, his intentions seem to lean towards protown, trying to give us an option to succeed.

4: Salmoneous: I really don't think he's pro town. If he was, he'd have responded to the numerous times we've asked for him to, (too many to quote), despite the fact that he's been on. If he didn't want to participate, he wouldn't, I hope, have joined the game.

5: Shawnachu: He responded to one thing, but not much else. Seems fishy, the way he tried to put down Budja's plan so fast, as if any plan that MIGHT empower the town should be quelled, to give the mafia a chance...

6: Data: He appeared, as Budja pointed out, to make one random vote, but this vote was for PP, who's actions were, at the time, masking the mafia. I believe he may be townie, but it'd be a whole ton nicer to see him post more, so we can actually get into his head.

7: Razzorman: seems like town, based off his decent activity rates and his thoroughly thinking through plans to see what weaknesses we have in them, so we don't stumble into a trap. By explaining why they wouldn't work, he shows his pro-townieness. If he was mafia, he would hope nobody would do so, so the town would make a fatal flaw and be easy to target.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Razzorman on August 23, 2009, 11:03:11
Well, theres nothing wrong with voting inactives or those who have proven to be unhelpful in the past.
vote: Salmoneous
We need to lynch one mafia, or get the doctor to block one nightkill before day 3, or they will win.
On the other hand, we don't have anything else to go on. Vote: Salmoneous
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Lunar_Tick on August 23, 2009, 12:10:40
Although it may be construed that I am obsessed with Bored's posts, it is in fact true that I'm obsessed with all posts. Seeing that Bored is the only (fuzzy) one who makes them, there's your tautology.

On Bored:
He adresses an issue, votes, etc, then he cushions it in a paragraph about impartiality and reason.
After voting Salmoneous:
If further evidence arises, I will, of course, be willing to change my vote to a person that seems even more scummy. For now, though, based off current facts, this is what I will do.

This kind of over-paranoid vibe, lynchophobia, the need to explain in writing what should be demonstrated in action, and the likes is a small scumtell. It's as if he is preemptively defensding himself against silly bandwagony arguments that would stand against reason anyway. You know, the kind of Mafia 2 argument that accused somebody of being scummy for voting. So yeah, he is paranoid.

I think it goes hand in hand with that kind of prose on step behind NES' dramatic fluff. Ok I'm guilty of prosy irrelevance but.

Oh, I see. Much the same could be said of Lunar, though. We give our honest opinions on everybody, at least... I did. As for your doom predictions... we still have SOME hope. We'd have more if people would actually discuss things instead of do absolutely nothing, so we could see who among us has a guilty conscience, and killed our mayor.
Italics demonstrate fluff.
Also see various posts giving unnecessary "he might be town, he might be scum" verdicts on just about everybody.

These things are heavy Bored2Death playstyles, so I wouldn't hold them as evidence against him. It's not conclusive and not vote-worthy, but it needs pointing out.

My thoughts on the night talk: do we really know whether or not the pm's we receive at night are from a townie or not? How can you know, for sure, that someone is a townie?
You can't know. But if you're contacted by the investigator and he tells you your role, well, you'd be halfway convinced. Although it's worth pointing out that a Mafia can do exactly that, claim that they're the investigator to a townie with a success rate of 2 over 3.

no offense meant, PP, but that stuff before was just masking whoever the real mafia are
You seem pretty sure in this post and yet you vote Salmoneous. Afterwards you say the same thing (about three times) only with less conviction.

Also, this allegation is pretty much baseless. Your theory is as good as anyone's pertaining PP and you haven't really explained your theory on PP.
You think that his antics during early D1 were because he was diverting attention away from another player?
I think that's unlikely. At that early time, about two votes were thrown, never on the same people, and PP had no reason at all (except madness) to attempt to do such a thing. The town wasn't interrogating someone. PP hasn't responded to any of these statements against him (?), which does lend them some gravity, but not in the direct sense.

1: On Lunar: [...]
Is there anything new on me?

4: Salmoneous: I really don't think he's pro town. If he was, he'd have responded to the numerous times we've asked for him to, (too many to quote), despite the fact that he's been on. If he didn't want to participate, he wouldn't, I hope, have joined the game.
You use past playstyles very much in your arguments about me and PP. Yet you don't do so for Salmoneous. He's always been inactive. It's bad, it hurts the town, yes, but I'm not totally sure you can use it as evidence against him, when you're willing to use inductive reasoning and past experiences for the rest of us.

I was going to do a little tweaking act for each of the comments you made on the various players, but, you know what, I'll let those guys deal with it themselves. I am looking forward to the responses of all players to B2d's player-comments.



On Data:
Where are you and respond to my post #29, even though it is an outdated question by now.

On Salmoneous:
Err, 3 votes on Salmoneous? That's too many. Say the mafia haven't voted yet, and then we've got a potential D1 lynch.
I thoroughly agree with the tactic of voting off Salmon (dead weight etc), but we've got three more days, do we really want to throw them down the drain by lynching earlier than usual? I think someone should take his/her vote off him, leaving him on L-3.

On Budja:
Weird plan, but hasn't responded to my analysis. Hm.

@Bored, you seem to be all over the place with your ideas and are confusing = chaotic. Your thoughts are hard to follow.
In what way? Example?

Speak up.
Seconded.

On Razzor:
Night talking, and any kind of pm activity would be kind of pointless to the town. We can't cooperate if everyone doesn't talk to everyone, and we need to cooperate to find the mafia.
Not so.
As I explained (?), the investigator has the power (and so the responsbility) to create an informed innocent block. So it's useful, just not during the day. I could point out scenarios where divulging the information of, you know the Investigator or his cronies, would be maleficent for the town.



On another note I seriously think we should have a chat about what criteria the Inv should use to inv players.
Basically, go for suspicious, go for talkative. For a win-win situation go for talkative+suspicious. Either you've found a very influential mafia, or you've found a very useful townie.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: LimeLemon on August 23, 2009, 13:12:52
Quote from: teh roolz
Be active. Try to post at least once a day.

If this inactivity goes on I might modkill someone (I think you know who).
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Dataflashsabot on August 23, 2009, 13:40:54
Oh, sorry.
@#29:
I did wonder why PP looked so much into such a simple thing, but it wasn't really suspicious and more an excuse to apply a vote and move things along a bit, thus the [random]ness.

Right now I'm most suspicious of Salmoneous, but I'm gonna hold off voting for a bit, for reasons Lunar_Tick mentioned.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Budja on August 23, 2009, 15:28:57
My plan wasn't "weird" but I accept that it may not be optimal.
The idea of "follow the cop" is reasonably known to me and I have always thought of it as having fairly equal pros/cons.

The big pros are that the Investigator is guaranteed to be protected (Not NKed tonight) and the town are given someone who view they can trust to not be scum-motivated.

Scum get information is the big negative.

There's your response (or at least more comments of mine on it :P).

Quote from: Lunar
Say the mafia haven't voted yet, and then we've got a potential D1 lynch.

Poor reasoning, anyone who just piles on now will be suspect if he flipped town. (Although I guess people can be a little lynch happy).

Quote from: Lunar
On another note I seriously think we should have a chat about what criteria the Inv should use to inv players.
OK, I downright dislike this. Directing the investigator is a scum-tell IMO. More null here as you are in the group you suggest investigating but I still don't like it.

Re. Bored, I'll give an example tomorrow when it isn't so late.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Shawnachu on August 23, 2009, 15:31:59
@Lunar: I don't see you as suspicious, but your early vote kinda put you on my radar.
@Purple: Acted strange at the beginning of the game, and hasn't really gave opinions on other players. Tell us what you think!
@Budja: Seems pro-town to me.
@Salmoneous: Say something!  Inactivity isn't helping us.
@Bored: Is actively scumhunting, don't see him as suspicious.
@Razzor: Not suspicious to me.

Really I don't have any idea who the mafia is, they're doing a really good job of blending in.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: LimeLemon on August 23, 2009, 15:57:12
Updated first post with votecount.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Dataflashsabot on August 23, 2009, 16:13:39
Errm, I think you missed my vote:
vote:Purple Pineapple.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Purple Pineapple on August 23, 2009, 18:38:24
Plus, he could of just said: we are so dead, instead of "the town is so dead". Seems like this is an anti-town mood.
unlike some, who try to calculate their posts to appear non-scummy.
:sigh:
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: LimeLemon on August 23, 2009, 20:12:27
Errm, I think you missed my vote:
vote:Purple Pineapple.
Oh... sorry. Rushed a little, and it was very much to the right...
But it's fixed now.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Budja on August 26, 2009, 05:12:58
Very very limited access. I have a major assignment and probably no access besides to at least 24 hrs.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Purple Pineapple on August 26, 2009, 05:18:18
And that's a lynch *cough* :\
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: LimeLemon on August 26, 2009, 08:47:22
The day ended about 12 hours ago, yes.

The people of nifftown suspects Salmoneous for being a memmber of the mafia, and takes him to the guillotine.

Salmoneous, Townie, lynchyed day 1.

Night 1 will begin now... but is there really a need for a time limit? Let's say 72 hours, just for the lulz.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: LimeLemon on August 28, 2009, 09:39:13
I have recieved all actions, so Night 1 is over.
One thing that surprised me was that the Mafia sent me a detailed text explaining how they killed their victim. That wasn't specified in the rules, but I remember that we did so in the first mafia(s). So let's continue with it!
The text was as following:

As a citizen of Nifftown sits quietly dining in peace, a shadow from the streets slips into the house. All is silent for the citizen, as his death, unbeknownst to him, approaches. He leaves to relieve himself, and while he is gone, the shadow slips some poison into his drink. Then, the shadow is gone in a flash, without anyone ever knowing it was there. As the citizen drinks, he begins to choke, then cough up blood. Slowly, he dies. He tries to make it to the hospital, but doesn't even make it to his door. The next morning, his body was found, drowning in a pool of blood. Upon investigation, a note is found, one that says:
Fools. Purple Pineapple was on to me. I'm sure of it. What you may have thought was the ravings of a mad man was, in fact, correct. He knew who I was, though he was careful to not reveal it. I'm positive he was onto me. Just you wait. You'll all die one day... one day soon

[My edit:] Purple Pineapple, Townie, killed night 1.

Day 2 will begin now. And since day 1's discussion ended after 5 days, I see no reason to let this day have a higher limit than that.
Day 2 will end in 120 hours.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Salmoneous on August 28, 2009, 13:00:40
Salmoneous, Townie, lynchyed day 1.

Oh I didn't know the game have started  XD
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Budja on August 28, 2009, 15:02:18
OK, I am properly back now as of 1/2 hr ago.
Sorry for the inconvenience.

I am a bit surprised at the lack of any conversation in the final days. Where were you Lunar?

We are in possible LyLo. (Unless the next kill is blocked, the mafia win).

Anyway so, if cop has guilty then cop claims. I think everyone can agree with this.
if not, I believe a mass claim is the best option to narrow down our lynch choices.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: LimeLemon on August 28, 2009, 15:23:50
I am a bit surprised at the lack of any conversation in the final days. Where were you Lunar?).

He said he was going away from 26-28 (and would have no internet access at all), but that only covers the last day.
He's probably coming back today or tomorrow.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Lunar_Tick on August 28, 2009, 16:10:41
I wasn't killed last night, :D.

Anyway so, if cop has guilty then cop claims. I think everyone can agree with this
Seconded.
Also, if the cop sees were moving towards a lynch of a townie obviously he should come out and say it.

I think that the text given to us should be taken about as seriously into account as the colour of the next turnip I remove from my arse. All this about PP 'being on the right track' is about as reliable as Channel 4.

However, its execution intrigues.
I posit that the writer is someone who has a good grasp of the English language, although xhe seems somewhat, drama-ey. If anyone spots any spellings linked to either American or English English ought to point them out. That comma use is interesting.
First vibe is Bored2death, then perhaps Dataflashsabot for the author.

Then, the shadow is gone in a flash,
lol

I haven't got a single read, and wouldn't be comfortable with any lynch. Although since its pretty much LyLo, if I were forced to lynch at this point I would vote... hm. I don't know. Razzor seemed himself D1. So did Bored even though his usual self isn't quite perfect town. Shawn is quiet.
Basically D1 inactivity leaves me without a clear path, and since we're pretty much at the end of the game... eh. I think I was suspicious of Budja, it was like a week ago though. So the mafia gained hugely by the hiatus.
I'd try my luck, seriously, by voting Bored out.

Since we lose if two more kills are made, it seems logical that for now, we strive to the goal that we don't lynch anyone D2. It definitely is an easier target than lynching mafia. Although lynching is a very important tool, I feel, in this case, that we would be foolish to vote without certainty. So I think our D2 tactic should be to stir up a good discussion and see where it takes us, but be extra --

Yeah.

Wait, Salmoneous was lynched because day 1 ended, right? Not because he got 4 votes or whatever?

I'm also pretty sure that the seer saw PP last night. I seriously doubt we will be getting anything from him today.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: LimeLemon on August 28, 2009, 16:41:53
Since we lose if two more kills are made, it seems logical that for now, we strive to the goal that we don't lynch anyone D2.
If no one votes, a random person will be lynched.

Wait, Salmoneous was lynched because day 1 ended, right? Not because he got 4 votes or whatever?
Salmoneous only had 3 votes. 50%< votes (5=< in that case) are required for a lynch. However, he had the most votes when the time limit was reached.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Lunar_Tick on August 28, 2009, 16:43:07
If no one votes, a random person will be lynched.

Oh shuttlecocks.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: LimeLemon on August 28, 2009, 16:48:50
Because, I mean, this game is about voting and discussing.

However, I'm not sure what to do if e.g. two persons have 50% votes each. I wrote that one would be selected randomly in the rules, but I'm not sure it's such a good idea. Maybe extend the time limit, double lynch or no lynch?
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Lunar_Tick on August 28, 2009, 17:09:48
Today isn't as LyLo as you think Budja.
The goal for the bad citizens is to kill the good ones. When only the bad ones remains, they win!
Or?
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Razzorman on August 28, 2009, 18:09:01
if not, I believe a mass claim is the best option to narrow down our lynch choices.
Why do you want a mass claim even if the investigator didn't find anything?
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 28, 2009, 19:02:41
I'm surprised that PP died... he seemed like he was helping the mafia with his initial randomness. Anyway, my current, very confused thoughts:
Quote from: Unknown

Fools. Purple Pineapple was on to me. I'm sure of it. What you may have thought was the ravings of a mad man was, in fact, correct. He knew who I was, though he was careful to not reveal it. I'm positive he was onto me. Just you wait. You'll all die one day... one day soon


I really don't know what to think of this note. Perhaps the mafia are toying with us, trying to lead the trail to someone Purple Pineapple suspected... which would be me, Mathexpert (who isn't even in the game!), or Lunar. However, it seems to also have been written by someone who was overly paranoid that PP was onto them, or at least trying to LEAD us onto their trails... in which case, we could probably rule out Data for voting, because he was the only one who actually voted for PP, and he did so without much explanation, and he seems to be the one who the note is really trying to get us to lynch, the way it's written. On the other hand, this may be EXACTLY what the mafia WANT us to do. Perhaps Data's a mafia member, who is abusing the fact that someone would point out, the way I did, that we shouldn't trust this note. This is almost like the whole "which comes first, the chicken or the egg" kind of thing. We don't really know whom to vote... either the note is telling the truth, or part of the truth, or, more likely, it is a lie. However, it's also possible that the mafia are having fun and don't really care what happens, or are willing to risk telling the truth... I really don't know. It'd help if we had more time to live... but with Limelemon's random lynching upon the end of the day, we HAVE to catch a mafia member today. These mafia members DO seem to blend in pretty well, whoever they are.

If the cop's out there, then they should know who SOMEONE is, but unless we are about to lynch a townie OR the cop knows who a mafia is, I just realized something: if any of us vote, and it happens to be a townie, then both mafia can join the bandwagon and we lose in an instant. We have got to find out who's guilty before any of us make a vote. This will definitely be tricky...

@Lunar: why have you been opposed to me since your very first post? I give out all my thoughts on whats happening as the thoughts occur to me. You kept your vote throughout the entire day one, without really explaining it. Now, though you say:


I haven't got a single read, and wouldn't be comfortable with any lynch. Although since its pretty much LyLo, if I were forced to lynch at this point I would vote... hm. I don't know. Razzor seemed himself D1. So did Bored even though his usual self isn't quite perfect town. Shawn is quiet.
Basically D1 inactivity leaves me without a clear path, and since we're pretty much at the end of the game... eh. I think I was suspicious of Budja, it was like a week ago though. So the mafia gained hugely by the hiatus.
You still say:

I'd try my luck, seriously, by voting Bored out.
Why? Explain. I let it go day one because it was initially a random vote, but you've stuck with it. Please explain.
Also:


Since we lose if two more kills are made, it seems logical that for now, we strive to the goal that we don't lynch anyone D2. It definitely is an easier target than lynching mafia. Although lynching is a very important tool, I feel, in this case, that we would be foolish to vote without certainty. So I think our D2 tactic should be to stir up a good discussion and see where it takes us, but be extra --

Yeah.

Wait, Salmoneous was lynched because day 1 ended, right? Not because he got 4 votes or whatever?

I'm also pretty sure that the seer saw PP last night. I seriously doubt we will be getting anything from him today.


What exactly was this about? This seems weird, considering that above, you said you'd try your luck by voting me. It also seems weird that you tell people what you WOULD do, but you don't even DO anything except comment on things. You wait till someone else votes, so it doesn't seem like you were to eager to vote someone away, then you eventually join when it won't lead to indicating you being scummy. Seems suspicious...
Also, on a side note, I'm surprised I didn't die last night... it would've thrown suspicion on Lunar_Tick, regardless of whether he was guilty or not, with how opposed he was to me. Of course, if he WAS mafia, then he wouldn't kill me, because of that very fact... Right now, I have my FOS on Lunar_Tick, but will not vote yet till I see where everyone else stands, in case he is not, and the real mafia members joined the bandwagon and lynched him...

Also, explain how today isn't as LyLo as we think, please. It was probably a typo on Limelemon's part, because the normal rules are outnumbering or equalling the town for a mafia win... unless it was changed, but... maybe today isn't a LyLo for Lunar_Tick? Maybe a lynch of a townie would equal victory for Lunar_Tick, or as close to it as possible? I don't know.

@Budja: While a mass claim MIGHT narrow it down some, if we did so and STILL lynched a townie, then the mafia would know who everyone's role was, and they'd be able to kill anyone that they pleased, just about, and the doctor wouldn't know who to protect... I personally am opposed to this plan, because I can see potential cons weighing down potential pros.

@Razzor: What are your thoughts? You merely ask Budja one little question, completely ignoring all other events that happened. Why?

@Shawn: Love to hear from you. The more info we have, the more opinions, the easier it will be for us to lynch the right person.

@Data: What are your thoughts? What do you think of this note that seems to point in your direction? What do you think of Budja's idea?
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Dataflashsabot on August 28, 2009, 19:32:24
Working backwards:

If a cop has a Mafia I think they should claim*, but I don't know if a mass roleclaim is a good idea. Assuming everyone tells the truth but the Mafia (this is not guaranteed, since the cop and/or doctor might want to claim plain townie), if one mafia claims cop and the actual cop also claims cop, the doctor is clueless (50/50 chance) and the real cop has exposed himself.

* Everyone votes on who the cop claims is mafia. If he was the real cop, one mafia is gone. After that, the doctor protects this cop and he investigates the next most suspicious, etc. If he wasn't the cop, we lynch him (almost certain mafia) and the real cop is still hidden. If more than one person claims cop, the person we didn't choose to go with is either the other mafia or the real cop, in which case... well, we'll come to that if the time comes.

I have no idea at all about the note. It's probably just randomness made up to throw suspicion on somebody (possibly me).

No real thoughts other than that.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Razzorman on August 28, 2009, 21:23:39
@ Bored

@Razzor: What are your thoughts? You merely ask Budja one little question, completely ignoring all other events that happened. Why?
Procrastination. I do it all the time. :D

I really don't know what to think of this note. Perhaps the mafia are toying with us, trying to lead the trail to someone Purple Pineapple suspected... which would be me, Mathexpert (who isn't even in the game!), or Lunar. However, it seems to also have been written by someone who was overly paranoid that PP was onto them, or at least trying to LEAD us onto their trails...
Why would someone who is overly paranoid want to deliberately lead us onto them?
It would be terribly stupid to leave a hint as to who you are.
The only purpose of the note is to get us to waste time thinking about it, if even that. It could also just be a joke, because its implying mathexpert killed him.
Don't take it seriously though. The note is unimportant.

Quote
What exactly was this about? This seems weird, considering that above, you said you'd try your luck by voting me.
Why are you so paranoid? He said that you are a little bit suspicious, but that it would be a stretch to vote for you. Ar you afraid of something?

Quote
It also seems weird that you tell people what you WOULD do, but you don't even DO anything except comment on things. You wait till someone else votes, so it doesn't seem like you were to eager to vote someone away, then you eventually join when it won't lead to indicating you being scummy. Seems suspicious...
He is suspicious for, um, not voting? The assumption that he would jump on a bandwagon as soon as there is one is nothing but baseless speculation on your part.
I don't know about you, but I would wait for the possible mistakes to actually be made before pointing them out. By telling the mafia what they shouldn't do before they do it you are actually helping them.


@ Dataflshsabot

* Everyone votes on who the cop claims is mafia. If he was the real cop, one mafia is gone. After that, the doctor protects this cop and he investigates the next most suspicious, etc. If he wasn't the cop, we lynch him (almost certain mafia) and the real cop is still hidden. If more than one person claims cop, the person we didn't choose to go with is either the other mafia or the real cop, in which case... well, we'll come to that if the time comes.
Technically, yes, but only if we are not in a LyLo. If we are, then we loose if mafia claims to be the cop. I think we should wait for LL's verdict on this before any kind of role claiming takes place.

@mod: How about those rules? Do the mafia win when the entire town is dead, or when they are equal to the town?

Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Lunar_Tick on August 28, 2009, 22:06:49
On Bored:
I just realized something: if any of us vote, and it happens to be a townie, then both mafia can join the bandwagon and we lose in an instant.
Although I applaud your cautious spirit, you have to take into account that this doesn't really change anything, since even a single vote on someone will result in a lynch if no other votes occur. There will always be a lynch, and it isn't far off, so the mafia don't really have an incentive to hurry things along.

I'd try my luck, seriously, by voting Bored out.
Why? Explain. I let it go day one because it was initially a random vote, but you've stuck with it. Please explain.

Its definitely out of left field to equate either my vote on you of D1 or that post as being anything near to the threat of an actual vote. Had circumstances been otherwise and my D1 vote on you actually endangered you I would have taken it off.

The quote "I'd try my luck, seriously, by voting Bored out." may have been taken out of context. I didn't mean that I would like a Bored lynch.
Since it is clear that the town is forced to make a lynch or else just have a random kill at the end of the D1 by the mod, I stated that I'd try my luck (since I had little evidence about it) and lynch you. Which means I see you as marginally more suspicious than other players. This view is, of course, subject to change.

One of the reasons I suspect you (not enough for a FOS yet or vote) are your strained didactic posts, much like the first chunk of your post #87 on the mafia note. You state the obvious a lot, and write a slight too much on issues that don't need that much to be said about them. This might be your playstyle, or it might be a mafia's way of looking active and involved without actually contributing to the dialogue.

You wait till someone else votes, so it doesn't seem like you were to eager to vote someone away, then you eventually join when it won't lead to indicating you being scummy. Seems suspicious...
What? When did this happen? The only person I voted in the whole game (right?) was you, and that pretty much was a random vote, with nobody voting before me. :S

Also, explain how today isn't as LyLo as we think, please.
Well, I haven't calculated all the permutations of events, but since all the townies (4) have to die before the mafia wins, it looks like this isn't our final chance. Winning after a D2 mislynch will be very difficult, but not automatically impossible, therefore not a LyLo. And that isn't a technicality.

[...] but... maybe today isn't a LyLo for Lunar_Tick? Maybe a lynch of a townie would equal victory for Lunar_Tick, or as close to it as possible? I don't know.
It's this kind of half-baked accusation that I don't like. You seem to be accusing me of being mafia by using all this in-the-air psychological mumbo-jumbo (like the analysis of the note you did) which isn't really based on anything. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though.

Hm. I still can't get a clear tell on Bored.


On Data:
You only give us some information about claiming which doesn't help in finding mafia.
Since we are forced to choose somebody to kill, and we should utilise this tool, I'd like to know who you'd rather we kill at this point, and, if you can, tell me why.

In fact that goes for everyone.

On Razzor:
I was going to do a piece on that you have potential, the ability to be more than a lurker, when you stopped lurking. I was then going to do a piece about how that's cheating when I read your post and agreed with it completely. What to you think town about Razzor's post?


And if Budja's in the Mafia well that's just unfair. :P

Also, @all: Is shawn being suspicious by not being active? Is that suspicion enough to warrant a vote, a lynch?
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Lunar_Tick on August 28, 2009, 22:09:06
On reflection, I realize that it would be very easy at this point for a mafia to just stay low and feed the whole Lunar - Bored opposition (which isn't that important really) and ride the whole thing out to an easy win.

So seriously inactives. Get to it.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 28, 2009, 22:25:54
On reflection, I realize that it would be very easy at this point for a mafia to just stay low and feed the whole Lunar - Bored opposition (which isn't that important really) and ride the whole thing out to an easy win.

So seriously inactives. Get to it.

You know, funny enough, I think that the only real reason we are so opposed in the first place is because both of us are the most active, therefore providing the most things to criticize. I definitely agree that the inactives need to be more active (see above posts), though I'm not positive if that makes them suspicious or not.
@Razzor:

Why would someone who is overly paranoid want to deliberately lead us onto them?
It would be terribly stupid to leave a hint as to who you are.
The only purpose of the note is to get us to waste time thinking about it, if even that. It could also just be a joke, because its implying mathexpert killed him.
Don't take it seriously though. The note is unimportant.
That is true... all I stated was that they might be trying to use reverse psychology, anticipating our reaction (that the note shouldn't be taken seriously), to deflect suspicion.
Quote from: Razzorman

Why are you so paranoid? He said that you are a little bit suspicious, but that it would be a stretch to vote for you. Ar you afraid of something?
He is suspicious for, um, not voting? The assumption that he would jump on a bandwagon as soon as there is one is nothing but baseless speculation on your part.
I don't know about you, but I would wait for the possible mistakes to actually be made before pointing them out. By telling the mafia what they shouldn't do before they do it you are actually helping them.
Hmm... no, I don't find him suspicious for not voting, exactly, but, like I said, I put my thoughts down as I think them. What you see are just all the current thoughts on the game being put down. Please remember, though, that this is my second game of mafia ever, so I'm bound to make mistakes, like telling the mafia what they shouldn't do (unconsciously, of course) before they do it. I'm still learning. I'll try to avoid tipping them off like so again...


Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Budja on August 29, 2009, 02:05:56
Quote from: Lunar
Today isn't as LyLo as you think Budja.
Ah, good point. I take back my massclaim idea.
A cop with a guilty should sill come forward.


Quote from: LimeLemon
However, I'm not sure what to do if e.g. two persons have 50% votes each. I wrote that one would be selected randomly in the rules, but I'm not sure it's such a good idea. Maybe extend the time limit, double lynch or no lynch?

A common rule is that the first to be voted to that position is lynched.
ie. if player A and player B have 2 votes and player A was the first to reach 2 votes, player A is lynched.
Another rule is a no-lynch.

Random lynch and double lynch are worse than both of the above.

Quote from: Bored
Also, on a side note, I'm surprised I didn't die last night... it would've thrown suspicion on Lunar_Tick, regardless of whether he was guilty or not, with how opposed he was to me. Of course, if he WAS mafia, then he wouldn't kill me, because of that very fact...

Poor logic here.

Quote from: all @Budja's
I assumed that the game ended when the mafia equaled or outnumbered the town, which is the usual rule. Its is a reasonable idea in that situation.

Quote from: Razzorman
@mod: How about those rules? Do the mafia win when the entire town is dead, or when they are equal to the town?
I would also like a response here.

Quote from: Lunar
Hm. I still can't get a clear tell on Bored.
I have trouble just slogging through his posts.

Quote from: Lunar
@all: Is shawn being suspicious by not being active? Is that suspicion enough to warrant a vote, a lynch?
Yes, he is a bit suspicious but moreso for his last post, the "analysis" declaring everyone innocent :P.

Quote from: B2D
Please remember, though, that this is my second game of mafia ever, so I'm bound to make mistakes, like telling the mafia what they shouldn't do (unconsciously, of course) before they do it.

You know who makes mistakes? Mafia.
Don't play the newbie card. You've proved yourself to be reasonable competent before so you have no excuse.

------------------------------------------

Shawn. Data are inactive and mostly echoing others. (little scummy)
Bored and Lunar are being impossibly hard to read. (no read)
Razz is looking pro-town. I like his responses and probing questions. (little town)

But, like Lunar, I have nothing solid here.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: LimeLemon on August 29, 2009, 02:40:14
I'm sorry about the rules not being clear in some situations.
If the mafia outnumber the town, they have a 100% guaranteed victory. However, if they are equal, there is still a chance of the town to win, especially if the doctor is still alive. No, disregard that, it will be a draw in most cases. But that depends much on how we should deal with 50-50 votes in these situations. If we don't lynch anyone, the town has no chance of winning, and the game will go on forever if the doctor protects the right person each night. But if there are only 2 players of course the doctor will protect itself and then the game will surely go on forever.
The double lynch seems to be a bad idea. If there are 4 players, one mafia and one townie will be killed. Then the last townie will be killed during the night, if it's not the doctor. Then both of them will be lynched next day.
If there are 2 players both will simply be lynched.
If a random person of the two is selected, I guess anything could happen. But I don't like that idea.
If the person who first gets 50% votes is lynched, this becomes a game of speed, which it's not supposed to be.

Help.

EDIT: So, the best seems to be to let the mafia win when they equal or outnumber the town. Gotta update first post.
Also, if you still are this active in 4/5 days, I suppose I could postpone the time limit.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Razzorman on August 29, 2009, 11:57:27
EDIT: So, the best seems to be to let the mafia win when they equal or outnumber the town. Gotta update first post.
Also, if you still are this active in 4/5 days, I suppose I could postpone the time limit.
Then we are in a LyLo, and I can claim. I investigated Budja last night. He is the Mafia member (not don).
Vote: Budja
I'm counting on that the doctor will protect me during the night.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Dataflashsabot on August 29, 2009, 12:14:50
Vote:Budja
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Budja on August 29, 2009, 13:06:30
Ok, that's just ridiculous.

vote Razzorman

I am actually the investigator. I investigated Lunar last night and he is a townsperson.

All I can say is that Razz is attempting a gambit here. Now we know that it is LyLo, the mafia only need one mislynch to (likely) get a win.
Still, it was a crazy risk but I guess I haven't been entirely subtle about my role :P, it was part of the reason behind my initial claim idea.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Razzorman on August 29, 2009, 14:11:50
I am actually the investigator. I investigated Lunar last night and he is a townsperson.
Well, that's incredibly convenient.
There is a 20% chance for a mafia member to randomly pick the investigator out of all players. That makes the chance that you are lying 80%.
And why the drama?

All I can say is that Razz is attempting a gambit here. Now we know that it is LyLo, the mafia only need one mislynch to (likely) get a win.
Pretending to be the investigator would indeed be very stupid. I'm glad we agree. :)
There are a lot of safer ways for the mafia to get the town to mislynch, like making fake cases against inactive players, for example.

Still, it was a crazy risk but I guess I haven't been entirely subtle about my role :P, it was part of the reason behind my initial claim idea.
You mean the idea that the investigator should claim regardless of whether he finds mafia or not? Then why didn't you claim?
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Budja on August 29, 2009, 14:26:09
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... That makes the chance that you are lying 80%.
Nice little manipulation of numbers here. You had a 25% chance of randomly choosing the investigator and I must have appeared cop-like enough for you to take it. I'm still surprised you took it.
Quote
You mean the idea that the investigator should claim regardless of whether he finds mafia or not? Then why didn't you claim?
More my earlier day 1 idea. I was planning to claim today but I wanted to see peoples opinions on my idea first and whether it was actually the best one.

Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Shawnachu on August 29, 2009, 14:40:59
Vote: Budja
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Razzorman on August 29, 2009, 16:04:39
And thats a lynch.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: LimeLemon on August 29, 2009, 16:06:55
With 6 players alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Razzorman on August 29, 2009, 16:12:48
The rules:

No posting in the thread during night time. Any other means of communication is allowed, though.
Be active. Try to post at least once a day.
When a person receives over 50% of the votes, he is lynched. Even if someone unvotes before I notice. If the time runs out the person with the most votes will be lynched. If two or more players have the same number of votes, one will be selected randomly.
Almost forgot: No editing/deleting posts! Under no circumstances! Think twice before you post.
50% of 6 is 3. I just kind of assumed that we were playing by the rules in the OP. My bad.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: LimeLemon on August 29, 2009, 16:21:24
Notice how it says over 50% of the votes.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Razzorman on August 29, 2009, 16:48:30
Notice how it says over 50% of the votes.
Ah. I see. :D
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 29, 2009, 18:38:58
Wow. I leave for about 10 hours, and we've almost lynched a suspected mafia member. The evidence, I must say, is rather stacked against Budja, here, and if he was truly the investigator, he would have claimed earlier, as he was trying to say. Razzor, however, waited, which strikes me as odd. He should've revealed it earlier in the day, regardless of whether we were in LyLo or not. However, Budja strikes me as very suspicious, especially in the way he tried to defend himself.
Vote: Budja
May this be the right person...
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Budja on August 30, 2009, 01:13:17
Eh, it was worth a try.
I thought we had this in the bag too :P.
Good luck scum!
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: LimeLemon on August 30, 2009, 14:12:07
Day 2 have ended.

The people of nifftown suspects Budja of being mafia. He is sent to the guillotine.

Budja, Mafia member, lynched day 2.

Night 2 will begin now. I might begin the day when I feel it has gone too long, even if I haven't received all night actions.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: LimeLemon on August 31, 2009, 09:22:01
Night 2 has ended.
Quote
Silenly, a killa apoaches da pray, its gol: chute da mAn. Chute da mAn whoo is in frunt of it. A crak, a bangg... Lunar_Tick is not mor. Da killa leves ten. Nex morn, peoples finds a note:
U caght budja. Now u'll hav 2 cach me. Me is da 1 som supect. Me is verry verbul. Noww, u ned all 2 diee.
However, the doctor was there and prevented Lunar_Tick from dying.

Day 3 starts now and will end in 5 days.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Lunar_Tick on August 31, 2009, 12:09:40
Hopefully Razzor didn't investigate me, and we'll only have two to choose from. Enlighten us.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Razzorman on August 31, 2009, 17:11:03
Bored2death is the don. :^^:
Vote: Bored2death
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Razzorman on August 31, 2009, 17:12:56
Aww fuck. I meant to bold that.
Vote: Bored2death
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Dataflashsabot on August 31, 2009, 17:17:49
Vote: Bored2death
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Lunar_Tick on August 31, 2009, 17:52:49
I am so smug.
Bored2Death
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Bored2death on August 31, 2009, 18:00:24
Well done, Razzor. Well done. You won this thing for the town. Now for my last move... (activates giant bomb attached to chest) HAHAHAHAHA you all die... oh, wait... darn it, it doesn't work...
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Lunar_Tick on August 31, 2009, 18:19:01
Anyway, I though for posterities (?) sake I'd post these. Why don't you as well? My only night conversation, in chronological order:

Hey.
I'm the doctor.
I'm thinking, protect you? Too obvious? I don't think the mafia will attack you.

I think you should definitely investigate Bored. Win-win situation investigating talkative unreadables. If we get an innocent verdict we will control all the talking and have the total upper hand.

Answer quick, I don't know the length of the night.



Hey.
I'm the doctor.
I'm thinking, protect you? Too obvious? I don't think the mafia will attack you.
I don't know. I'll probably be fine either way, so protect someone else if you want to.


Quote
I think you should definitely investigate Bored. Win-win situation investigating talkative unreadables. If we get an innocent verdict we will control all the talking and have the total upper hand.
I was thinking Dataflashsabot, for no particular reason. I'm kind of sure bored is town.


I don't know. I'll probably be fine either way, so protect someone else if you want to.
Alright, I'll protect myself. If you die tonight I will probably roleclaim.

I was thinking Dataflashsabot, for no particular reason. I'm kind of sure bored is town.
Is that a gut instinct? Right now I'm only relying on intuition about saying that Bored looks like Mafia. However if you investigate Dataflashsabot and he's innocent you don't gain as much as you would if you investigate Bored and he's innocent.

Another good strategy would be to just investigate the person most likely to survive to the next day. No point in investigating Bored (say) if you think he will die tonight.




Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: Shawnachu on September 01, 2009, 02:11:17
Bump for bumpityness
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread
Post by: LimeLemon on September 01, 2009, 09:14:26
The townies are sure Bored2death is the last mafia and brings him to the guillotine.

Bored2death, Don, Lynched Day 3.

Town victory!

Everyone's roles:

Dataflashsabot - Townie
Razzorman - Investigator
Salmoneous -Townie
shawnachu -Townie
Purple Pineapple - Townie
Bored2death - Don
Budja - Mafia Member
Lunar_Tick - Doctor

All actions:

Night 1:
Razzorman investigates Budja.
Lunar_Tick protects himself.
The mafia kills Purple Pineapple.

Night 2:
Razzorman investigates Bored2death.
Lunar_Tick protects himself.
The mafia tries to kill Lunar_Tick.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread *It's over!*
Post by: Budja on September 01, 2009, 11:30:28
Nicely done town.

Just a couple of notes:
- a doctor who can protect themselves is over-powered as they are effectively un-nightkillable
- revealling Lunar "not"-death gave the town an extra confirmed which is not desirable.

I am not complaining as the town would have won anyway.

Mafia talked here:
http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/xqhwMcaLz5CYV (http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/xqhwMcaLz5CYV)
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread *It's over!*
Post by: LimeLemon on September 01, 2009, 14:55:46
Just a couple of notes:
- a doctor who can protect themselves is over-powered as they are effectively un-nightkillable
- revealling Lunar "not"-death gave the town an extra confirmed which is not desirable.

I thought about if I should let the doctor protect himself. I came to the conclusion that the town didn't have a big chance to win so I decided to let the doctor do that.
The reason they won was because Razzorman was really lucky with his investigations.

Also, I didn't think when I wrote that about Lunar. Sorry, I should have replaced his name with *** in the scene and then explained that the doctor rescued "the person".

That's something the host for Mafia 6 should think about.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread *It's over!*
Post by: Razzorman on September 01, 2009, 15:37:29
The reason they won was because Razzorman was really lucky with his investigations.
It wasn't all luck. I investigated budja because he was the most suspicious to me at the time. I investigated bored because lunar was suspicious of him, and because we would gain the most from investigating him.

Quote from: bored
Also, I hope Razzor doesn't investigate me... if he does...
Quote from: bored
HE DID.... GAME OVER
XD

Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread *It's over!*
Post by: Lunar_Tick on September 01, 2009, 16:07:14
How interesting.

Quote from: Budja
Ok, I think Lunar is testing me :P.
What was this referring to?
Quote from: Bored
Yes, we do have them running in circles, I believe
:P


I just knew you (b2d) had written that note.
Had Razzor not revealed that he was inv and budja maf I would never have suspected budja. I suppose your playstyle is just too similar to mine.

Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread *It's over!*
Post by: Bored2death on September 01, 2009, 18:14:07
Well, not much else to say. Good job. I had fun writing those notes (especially the second one XD). Guess it's off to that werewolf version? Or just a standard mafia? If so... who will host?
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread *It's over!*
Post by: Purple Pineapple on September 02, 2009, 01:21:55
I reserved a spot as mafia 6 host, but looks like 20-player werewolf world is taking over. <_<

Quote from: Budja
Ok, I think Lunar is testing me :P.
What was this referring to?
Quote from: Bored
Yes, we do have them running in circles, I believe
:P


I just knew you (b2d) had written that note.
Had Razzor not revealed that he was inv and budja maf I would never have suspected budja. I suppose your playstyle is just too similar to mine.
Breaking down and analyzing even after the game..

One thing that surprised me was that the Mafia sent me a detailed text explaining how they killed their victim. That wasn't specified in the rules, but I remember that we did so in the first mafia(s). So let's continue with it!
The text was as following:

As a citizen of Nifftown sits quietly dining in peace, a shadow from the streets slips into the house. All is silent for the citizen, as his death, unbeknownst to him, approaches. He leaves to relieve himself, and while he is gone, the shadow slips some poison into his drink. Then, the shadow is gone in a flash, without anyone ever knowing it was there. As the citizen drinks, he begins to choke, then cough up blood. Slowly, he dies. He tries to make it to the hospital, but doesn't even make it to his door. The next morning, his body was found, drowning in a pool of blood. Upon investigation, a note is found, one that says:
Fools. Purple Pineapple was on to me. I'm sure of it. What you may have thought was the ravings of a mad man was, in fact, correct. He knew who I was, though he was careful to not reveal it. I'm positive he was onto me. Just you wait. You'll all die one day... one day soon

[My edit:] Purple Pineapple, Townie, killed night 1.
(http://nifflas.ni2.se/forum/Smileys/Niffpack/mad.gif)
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread *It's over!*
Post by: Bored2death on September 02, 2009, 03:28:24
Look, I'm sorry, ok... no hard feelings? We're both dead now... you're in Heaven, me, being mafia, am probably in...
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread *It's over!*
Post by: Budja on September 02, 2009, 11:40:32
Quote from: LL
I thought about if I should let the doctor protect himself. I came to the conclusion that the town didn't have a big chance to win so I decided to let the doctor do that.

The town was more powerful than you think. The setup (without self-protect) looked reasonably balanced.

Quote from: Lunar
What was this referring to?


Your questioning of me over my cop ideas early day 2.

Quote from: Lunar
I suppose your playstyle is just too similar to mine.
I really thought you suspected me :P.

I actually did think my ideas were reasonable from a town perspective, I only used them to kick start discussion and I was hoping someone would comment badly and look scummy for it.



Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread *It's over!*
Post by: Salmoneous on September 02, 2009, 14:00:49
I cant believe that I got lynched first day for being inactive.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread *It's over!*
Post by: Purple Pineapple on September 03, 2009, 01:01:37
In case you haven't noticed, the first day is almost always an inactive lynch.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread *It's over!*
Post by: Bored2death on September 03, 2009, 04:12:21
I think we should start a new game. Signups, PP? Also, I'll host mafia 6.5, I think (a .5 game is a really fun, but really... different game. lots of surprises, more roles!!!)
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread *It's over!*
Post by: Purple Pineapple on September 03, 2009, 05:34:04
Y'allright. I seem to now have stolen hosting position for Mafia and DWYW. 8) Oh well. Hosting is fun.
Title: Re: Mafia 5 game thread *It's over!*
Post by: Shawnachu on September 03, 2009, 19:43:20
That was really fast :P