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Title: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Miss Paula on February 17, 2009, 15:47:16
Here is how it works:

While in game, activate the GOD mode as you might know from The Explore Challenge. You will hear a sound when the cheat is activated.

First:
While holding the space bar you'll become invincible (you will glow), but only on the spot, which means you cannot move while invincible.

Second:
You can do instant transmission while holding the space bar and use the right mouse button anywhere in the screen to reposition Juni instantly to that spot.
 
Do know that once activated, you can't turn it off, even if you die, the cheat is still activated. You have to restart the game to have a "clean" start.

(adapted from :liten: C))
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: special_d on March 02, 2009, 19:46:46
For those of us who don't feel like beating the explore challenge can you just post what it is in a spoiler tag?
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Miss Paula on March 02, 2009, 19:54:24
those who don't feel like it can just look it up in the level's folder. I think the cheat is told in a sign box, so you'd have to search the world.ini file.

(yeah, maybe you can tell that I don't feel like looking it up right now, huh? :P2)
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: EarthBound015 on March 05, 2009, 01:17:10
:D You should find it in the level itself.  It is indeed hard, but most of us have done it.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: LPChip on March 05, 2009, 13:16:56
I already posted the solution to the secret cave, so I'll do it here too.

Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Comhon on March 05, 2009, 17:28:09
While in game, activate the GOD mode as you might know from The Explore Challenge. You will hear a sound when the cheat is activated.
How to activate the mode?
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Kasran on March 05, 2009, 18:49:25
While in game, activate the GOD mode as you might know from The Explore Challenge. You will hear a sound when the cheat is activated.
How to activate the mode?
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Razor on March 06, 2009, 15:41:52
Looks Hard  :huh:
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: LPChip on March 06, 2009, 16:32:38
Looks Hard  :huh:

The only hard screen is the second one, and even that one isn't that hard.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: special_d on March 10, 2009, 04:27:47
Why remove the code if it's in the aptly marked "spoiler" tag...
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Purple Pineapple on March 10, 2009, 05:24:23
Because it's like the secrets in other games. You have to go through a challenge to get them. And this is the ULTIMATE SECRET.
Spoiler: (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Salmoneous on March 10, 2009, 07:40:12
I think the cheat is evil...

Whats the point in creating a lunatic level when everyone can use cheat to beat it.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: googoogjoob on March 10, 2009, 07:55:24
I think the cheat is evil...

Whats the point in creating a lunatic level when everyone can use cheat to beat it.

If you use the cheat too much, the game simply isn't fun anymore.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Purple Pineapple on March 11, 2009, 00:15:20
I think the cheat is evil...

Whats the point in creating a lunatic level when everyone can use cheat to beat it.
It's doesn't have the same sence of victory.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Evil on March 11, 2009, 01:39:44
whos liten?  :liten:
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Miss Paula on March 11, 2009, 02:12:48
not that it's of much relevance to this thread (9_9), but with :liten: I made a reference to the former forum member (and admin) FastRecords, who originally posted this on the now broken forum. Because he used to sign his posts with that smiley.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: special_d on March 12, 2009, 23:22:00
If the users want to take the cheap and easy way out, that's up to them. If it's in a spoiler tag it shouldn't be removed, period. The mods are way hypersensitive over this.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: googoogjoob on March 13, 2009, 00:50:16
If they want to take the cheap and easy way out, they can look in the world.ini file. Having it immediately accessible on the forum just makes it so that someone learning of the cheat for the first time will just find it here before they have the opportunity to decide whether to actually play through to get the cheat, or to do the world.ini dealy. (Think about it. If you learn about a cheat, and you have the chance to 1) go open another program and play through a level to get it, or 2) click on some text to see the cheat instantly, which would you choose? Even though you'd probably regret it afterwards if you chose the second.)
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: SiamJai on March 14, 2009, 08:07:07
If you use the cheat too much, the game simply isn't fun anymore.
Hmm.. define "fun".  I use this cheat quite frequently, simply because it allows me to turn any level into Environmental, my most favorite type of levels. That's "fun" for me. ;)

Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: googoogjoob on March 14, 2009, 08:51:35
By "fun" I mean "playing according to the intentions of the level's author", presuming that the level in question is designed to incite some sort of enjoyment in the player, and that it is reasonably successful in that regard. (I mean, like, if you're playing a really badly designed level or part of a level, the cheating might allow one to skip to more enjoyable parts.) This doesn't preclude enjoyment derived from a play style contrary to the intents of the author.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: LPChip on March 14, 2009, 12:09:37
Let me explain why I removed the cheat from the spoiler.

Even today there are new people here that haven't played knytt stories yet. Clicking and opening a spoiler is tempting and very easy. Revealing this cheat (which basically can destroy your game) is not good to just be posted on the forum. If you want to do some effort, like getting in the level editor to find it, sure, go ahead. Atleast, for this much effort, knowing the game a little bit is required. Enough for you to decide that you actually want to do this or not.

If you just click the spoiler, read it and then think: oh wow... and you won't play it normally even for the first time, the gameplay basically got ruined that much that you don't like Knytt Stories.

I don't mind telling you how to teleport anywhere but not the part on how to get frozen.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: minmay on March 14, 2009, 16:44:15
I think everyone overestimates the effect of cheats on gameplay.  If a game in my possession has cheats, I probably know about them, but they don't ruin my experience; I mess around with them for a while, then when I get tired of them, I go back to playing the game normally with absolutely no ill effects.
In any case, posting a topic advertising a "cheat option" and telling them to go play a level to find it is going to be downright annoying to most people.
The fact that you're willing to tell them to look in the World.ini file, and yet not give out the code itself, is just weird, to be honest.  You don't need to know the game to do that - the worlds are in the aptly named Worlds folder, with folder names corresponding to their names, and the World.ini for TEC is tiny.
I've seriously never heard of a cheat code "ruining the gameplay so much that you don't like the game anymore."
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: PONTO on March 14, 2009, 20:17:15
I must say I also agree with minmay here. =/
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Purple Pineapple on March 14, 2009, 20:53:45
I suppose you must take into account the players that can't beat hard levels.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: googoogjoob on March 14, 2009, 22:45:13
This all depends on how you see the cheat; as a right or as a privilege. That is, if you think every player has the right to know and use the cheat, or if it's a privilege that must be earned by beating the level.

The cheat was originally concealed in such a way that, to get it by the rules (as it were), you had to be good enough/experienced enough at/with KS to obtain it. However, it's so easy to get by cheating that it's pointless to act as if it's restricted in any meaningful anyway.

I think it should be available, but not advertised. Just giving the cheat openly to new players, so that they cheat their way past the tutorial and then through every level that they get, on impulse, is a bad thing. (I don't mean to say this would happen on every level, but a newb with a cheat might just use it as soon as they get frustrated with anything.) KS has some unusual features, like wallswims and void screens, that are extremely easy to get at with the cheat. (I didn't get the cheat until I was good enough at the game to get at it honestly, but I know that I would've used it excessively if I had it.)

That is to say, I don't think it's a good idea for just anyone to have the cheat unless they understand the implications of the cheat, but I don't see any way to restrict it as such.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: special_d on March 15, 2009, 00:54:40
I frankly think that if people see that the cheat ruins the game, don't use the cheat? It's like watching a TV show or listening to a radio programme you find offensive, if you don't like it, don't tune into it. Same thing with the cheat. I know that I would very rarely use it myself.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: LPChip on March 15, 2009, 10:03:18
I frankly think that if people see that the cheat ruins the game, don't use the cheat? It's like watching a TV show or listening to a radio programme you find offensive, if you don't like it, don't tune into it. Same thing with the cheat. I know that I would very rarely use it myself.

A human brain simply doesn't work like that. If you read how to do it before you read what it actually can do, and you come in a hard situation, cheating is easier so you automatically choose that way.

I actually have detected myself in this manner too.


This is exactly what will happen to playing Knytt Stories. Using the cheat can be more fun because you can skip the parts you don't like (which are the harder parts) and thus you don't get enough satisfaction from playing some levels, and Knytt Stories will become boring rather soon. I do agree that the good levels might not want the player to cheat because they're not too hard, but there certainly are levels where even I would cheat through certain parts.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: minmay on March 15, 2009, 15:56:28
You really should say that your human brain doesn't work like that.

After I learned about the Knytt Stories cheat (I found it the fair way, by the way), I basically thought "hm, that's sort of cool, I guess."  I played around with it for maybe 10 seconds and then pretty much never used it again.  There are plenty of levels around with areas that are horribly annoying and perhaps even highly luck-based, but I've never cheated through them.  Incidentally, when I learned of the teleport cheat, I didn't even bother trying it out, but that's neither here nor there.

Age of Empires 3 is a pretty good, fun game.  A lot of people think it's crap, but it's pretty good in my opinion.  It, like CnC, is an RTS game.  After finishing the campaign on Easy (I didn't even notice you could change the difficulty of it at that time, so that's my excuse  :crazy:), I learned of the cheat codes, which were pretty cool honestly, but all I did with them was mess around a bit in Skirmish.  I never touched them when it came to beating the campaign again on Hard (which was pretty easy but whatever).  And later, when the first expansion arrived, which was actually somewhat difficult, I still didn't touch them.

If you actually ruin your game experience because you know of a cheat code, you just need an excercise in willpower!  It's easier than trying to properly obfuscate the cheat, in any case.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Dataflashsabot on March 15, 2009, 16:42:32
Actually you know what, if theres another official version of ks i vote the cheat gets taken out. its causing too much trouble and there are few if any good reasons to use it.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: chipset on March 15, 2009, 16:49:07
I think that the cheat should still stay in the game. If you really want to play the game and its levels the way they're supposed to be played, all you need to do is just avoid using the cheat.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: LPChip on March 15, 2009, 17:44:05
The cheat definatelly shouldn't be taken out. I've used it quite alot during the development of my levels to test certain things like jumps and stuff.

Then again, during the beta period when I was making my level, just left-clicking anywhere caused you to teleport. That ofcource has been taken out, and replaced by the cheat.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: KG on March 15, 2009, 22:33:39
LPChip, your example makes absolutely no sense to me. Maybe because I have never even heard of whatever that game is.

In my experience with the cheat, I found that topic where someone said how to do the cheat and whatever, but it had been modified by a moderator to the extent that you couldn't tell what the cheat was.
Now, I played the Explore Challenge, and I absolutely hated that level. It was so boring, I'm sorry.
So I just sat in NiffChat for a few minutes and someone said what it was.

I don't really see why such a big deal is being made of this. I almost never use that cheat except when trial and error has failed at least several times to get me past some kind of challenge or in my own levels where I don't feel like going through a challenge I made again and again. Speaking of which, the cheat is useful when you're making your own levels and want to explore everything you've made so far.
What I'm talking about, by the way, is the teleporting thing. The invulnerability thing is completely useless to me for the most part.
On another note, it is basically like cheating in some other video game. Especially these days with access to the internet, it is rather easy to cheat in almost any game and almost every game purposely has cheating in it.

But, yes. Those video games do not really advertise their cheats and thus Knytt Stories does not need to either, but I don't think it needs to be hidden in one obscure and uninteresting level (I know you can just look in the world document whatever, but that doesn't really make it less silly).
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: special_d on March 16, 2009, 01:46:49
1) Precisely, say *your* brain doesn't work like that, not everybody else's.

2) You people are really pushing this anti-cheat thing too much.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: nicodk on March 16, 2009, 23:55:19
where can i download The Explore Challenge ? looked through the level archive and seval google searches, cant find anything. even searched on the forum
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Miss Paula on March 17, 2009, 00:00:10
Nifflas Homepage->Knytt Stories->Get more Levels (http://nifflas.ni2.se/index.php?main=02Knytt_Stories&sub=04Get_More_Levels) ...->third party pack 1. that's where it should be. :)
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: nicodk on March 17, 2009, 00:06:16
Nifflas Homepage->Knytt Stories->Get more Levels (http://nifflas.ni2.se/index.php?main=02Knytt_Stories&sub=04Get_More_Levels) ...->third party pack 1. that's where it should be. :)

oh lol, well how should i know :P

thanks ^_^
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Miss Paula on March 17, 2009, 00:23:46
oh lol, well how should i know :P

(http://www.filecram.com/files/17.03.09 [00-21-42].png) :P2
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: LPChip on March 17, 2009, 19:06:18
The level should also be on Knyttlevels.com, I think? I did upload a level there, and I believe it was this one.

EDIT: LPChip  |   The Explore Challenge  |   14.03 MB    |   Download (http://knyttlevels.com/levels/LPChip%20-%20The%20Explore%20Challenge.knytt.bin)
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Dynamite on April 01, 2009, 11:16:15
I know the cheat...but I never use it, even in Lunatic levels. Actually sometimes I forgot that there even is a cheat.
But I guess that's just me lol.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: MilkMan on April 26, 2009, 17:21:27
there is no need to have it on the forum, google finds it in a minute :crazy:
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Razor on May 05, 2009, 18:11:29
Lol the cheat is working but its REALLY EVIL FREAKY CHEAT
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA..... i mean MWAHAHAHHAHAAHAAHHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHA *cough*
 * Still Coughing* lol
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Bored2death on May 22, 2009, 23:11:00
I think its a little to easy to get the cheat code in The Explore Challenge. I found it way before I beat the game. My only objection to the cheat is that it makes it seem meaningless to make a level sometimes, knowing that people will cheat on it to get through. Maybe, with KSA, there could be a new anti-cheating option or block in the system bank?
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 23, 2009, 01:27:37
If they want to cheat, the level editor is also easily accessible so I don't think that would work.

EDIT: And the save file.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: TechnoGeek on May 23, 2009, 01:47:02
I think its a little to easy to get the cheat code in The Explore Challenge. I found it way before I beat the game. My only objection to the cheat is that it makes it seem meaningless to make a level sometimes, knowing that people will cheat on it to get through. Maybe, with KSA, there could be a new anti-cheating option or block in the system bank?
i also got the cheat first, actually beating the level was harder XD

If they want to cheat, the level editor is also easily accessible so I don't think that would work.

EDIT: And the save file.
in other words, anti-cheating is near impossible...
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Bored2death on May 23, 2009, 02:01:13
Of course, but if they do that, then they are not even really even playing through the level, and so aren't going to get the same enjoyment out of it as if they didn't use the level editor or cheat. I guess its up to them to decide whether they want to ruin the fun or not.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: googoogjoob on May 23, 2009, 04:30:25
I guess its up to them to decide whether they want to ruin the fun or not.

Assuming that all levels are fun to some degree, and that challenge is a major part of the fun.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Bored2death on May 23, 2009, 04:56:18
True, after all, if it's an environmental level, I guess there is no harm.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Dandelion on May 23, 2009, 09:41:58
If you just click the spoiler, read it and then think: oh wow... and you won't play it normally even for the first time, the gameplay basically got ruined that much that you don't like Knytt Stories.
This is assuming that you would actually use the cheat right from the outset. Many gamers are too proud to cheat in a game, at least until they beat it. And if you do start cheating through the game, you will realize it's not the whole game, and it's not much fun either. And if someone does ruin their experience by cheating, so what? Their only ruining there own fun.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: LPChip on May 23, 2009, 20:14:04
Indeed, they're ruining their own fun. I do not want to be one of the people responsible for that!
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Bored2death on May 23, 2009, 20:49:54
Well, whatever the case, it is there choice to not have fun. I have always found it more fun to beat a game, then go back and see how much I can mess around with it (in the case of KS, going to void screens, falling to other areas, getting to late areas early in the game, etc.). I have tried cheating beforehand, though, and I didn't like it. It really takes the fun out of it and it gets boring quickly. You have nothing to compare the experience to. So, don't cheat before you beat the level (unless it's your level and your designing it :)).
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 23, 2009, 20:58:05
(unless it's your level and your designing it :)).
Unless you assume this part of my level's too hard. I'll just cheat to get past. I'm sure it's beatable, though.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Dandelion on May 23, 2009, 21:28:43
Indeed, they're ruining their own fun. I do not want to be one of the people responsible for that!
You wouldn't be responsible for it. If someone cheats all the time, the only person responsible is themselves.
And you can just use the editor anyway. The cheat, however, makes it possible to play the level normally after you get good enough whereas the editor would damage the level.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: LPChip on May 26, 2009, 22:25:10
Indeed, they're ruining their own fun. I do not want to be one of the people responsible for that!
You wouldn't be responsible for it. If someone cheats all the time, the only person responsible is themselves.
And you can just use the editor anyway. The cheat, however, makes it possible to play the level normally after you get good enough whereas the editor would damage the level.

You're wrong there.

As a forumadmin/mod, I'm responsible for all the content that is being posted and what it can do to the person that reads it. Its the same reason why I'm also responsible for the fact that people post insulting things or even swear openly. Another person that can't deal with reading that can get psychological problems from reading this, and thats the last thing I want.

Sure, I might go over the top with this, but I'd rather go over, than under.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: wolf on May 27, 2009, 01:57:22
wuts GOD mode??????? :S :piano:
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Dandelion on May 27, 2009, 02:22:50

wuts GOD mode??????? :S :piano:
It's a cheat. Since it isn't allowed to post it here, you need to download "The explore challenge" by LPChip and look in the level editor to find out.
Another person that can't deal with reading that can get psychological problems from reading this, and thats the last thing I want.
Psychological problems from what? My post? :shocked:
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: LPChip on May 27, 2009, 10:59:22
Another person that can't deal with reading that can get psychological problems from reading this, and thats the last thing I want.
Psychological problems from what? My post? :shocked:
No, from the fact that they can't resist unvolding the spoiler, know the cheat and then can't play the game normally because they never did tried it normally.

The only thing I want, is that people have played the game normally before they start cheating. That way they know what it is to play normally, and won't grab to cheating that easilly. (yes, really, thats how it works psychologically; you can revert to the first thing you done quite easilly, not change the way you do things)
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Dandelion on May 31, 2009, 22:30:32
You are responsible for what's posted, but what people do with it is beyond your control. I understand why you want people to play normally before cheating. I too would prefer it, but it's one thing you don't have power over.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Kasran on June 01, 2009, 02:37:51
I, on the other hand, believe that playing the Explore Challenge to get the secret will not only teach you the cheat, but also make you realize how good you actually are at Knytt Stories.

XD

I'm serious
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Bored2death on June 01, 2009, 05:47:17
The Explore Challenge isn't all that hard...
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Kasran on June 01, 2009, 20:30:26
The Explore Challenge isn't all that hard...
To you maybe it isn't. For me, getting to the secret room was very difficult.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: minmay on June 01, 2009, 22:21:01
The Explore Challenge is difficult in the same way that I Wanna Be The Guy is difficult.

This is to say, it's a level built around the idea of using brute force to solve it.  It has a couple of (surprisingly good) puzzles and that's it for the part that's actually challenging; the rest of the level is just made to be annoying, or, at the very least, unfair.
It's quite a good method for concealing a cheat, since the people who are unlikely to use the cheat much anyway are going to play through the level and get it the "fair" way, and the people who are going to use it to cheat their way through every level they play are going to either look in the level editor or just Google for it.

EDIT: No, seriously, I figure that's the best way to hide a cheat.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Salmoneous on July 12, 2009, 11:35:54
I hate the cheat so much. People can just use the cheat on hard parts in any level to get past. It feels so unrewarding to do a hard level and even pointless to do an extremely hard level.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Razzorman on July 12, 2009, 13:59:22
I hate the cheat so much. People can just use the cheat on hard parts in any level to get past. It feels so unrewarding to do a hard level and even pointless to do an extremely hard level.
You aren't making the hard levels for that audience then. The people who'd rather cheat past a hard part in a level wouldn't enjoy playing that level anyways.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Budja on July 12, 2009, 15:00:56
I hate the cheat so much. People can just use the cheat on hard parts in any level to get past. It feels so unrewarding to do a hard level and even pointless to do an extremely hard level.
You aren't making the hard levels for that audience then. The people who'd rather cheat past a hard part in a level wouldn't enjoy playing that level anyways.

Exactly.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Emeraldfire7 on July 13, 2009, 17:41:06
I think the Cheat is great for testing out levels (which i think was the original use of the cheat)

i think it really helps out if you make a big lunatic level instead of having to painstakingly do the challenges over and over again or waste time closing the window and re opening to the screen you want to test in the editor, it really saves up time

something that could be done is an option where the creator of the level decides if the cheat is available in the level or not, or even what screens the cheat would be available on  :shifty:

Just my thoughts on the cheat :P2
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: LPChip on July 13, 2009, 22:05:19
I disagree about having an option to enable/disable the cheat. If you want to give support in your level for being able to teleport anywhere, use shifts. If you want to prevent people from cheating, don't make a level, or atleast make it good enough so people would not want to cheat. (a level that is too hard because it is based entirelly around luck, will quickly make people cheat. A level that is hard but keeps you challenged, will most likelly keep the player so much interested that he/she doesn't even want to use the cheat.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: 1020/Collen on September 26, 2009, 22:20:13
Im just not going to use it and in a few days ill forget it exists and ill be like "Darrr i wish ther waz sum cheat thinger duhhh"
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Looki on December 25, 2009, 19:57:35
I hate the cheat so much. People can just use the cheat on hard parts in any level to get past. It feels so unrewarding to do a hard level and even pointless to do an extremely hard level.

Yeah, I also think the level editor just sucks. You can open levels and look for hints, seriously! <_<
It also sucks that the game has savestates - you can modify them.  :/
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: LimeLemon on December 27, 2009, 23:21:04
Lol, it's not like you HAVE to cheat. You do it of your own free will so why are you complaining? If you don't want to cheat then don't.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Sendy on January 28, 2010, 22:55:52
I just found/tried the cheat, after years of playing KS I finally see the much debated cheat... I found it hideous, asif it was undermining the very fabric of the game, but as a level designer I'm sure it will help me out in a few places.

Speaking of using the editor to cheat, in the past I have suggested being able to lock levels with a password, to preserve the mysteries within (this was a different game/community, though), but that idea as shot down and started a whole debate about open-source and information wanting to be free. *shrugs*. I just thought it would make the levels seem more mysterious if you couldn't look at them in the editor... But then there is the rather embarassing issue of being locked out of your own level...
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: LB on February 28, 2010, 04:01:54
Right now I am making a level that is really hard to cheat at all in it; the various screens are scattered all over the place hundreds of tiles apart, making it a pain to go and find them/edit the save file/ect. Is this a good idea?
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Purple Pineapple on February 28, 2010, 04:56:19
Nothing a good old *insert cheat code here + *insert how to use secret cheat here cann't handle. ;) Not that I would do that.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: GrayFace on March 16, 2010, 14:29:03
The cheat, level editor and simple save games format are great! They let you play buggy levels, find secrets that you won't find another way. Finding secrets with level editor is almost as enjoyable as finding them the fair way. I don't get what mystery do you want? Isn't it better to let players experience all the layers of your level instead of the only ones they could find by chance?

I hate the cheat so much. People can just use the cheat on hard parts in any level to get past. It feels so unrewarding to do a hard level and even pointless to do an extremely hard level.

Yeah, I also think the level editor just sucks. You can open levels and look for hints, seriously! <_<
It also sucks that the game has savestates - you can modify them.  :/
It also sucks that the game has a screen where you can choose level - it would be better if the player had to beat levels in the sequence Looki and Salmoneous want him to ;)

Right now I am making a level that is really hard to cheat at all in it; the various screens are scattered all over the place hundreds of tiles apart, making it a pain to go and find them/edit the save file/ect. Is this a good idea?
IMO, that's a wasting of both your time and time of players that would like to cheat.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: LB on March 16, 2010, 20:36:46
What does "IMO" mean?
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: AClockworkLemon on March 16, 2010, 20:39:56
In My Opinion  C)p
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: bulbapuck on April 14, 2010, 17:03:40
I thought I would post my opinion on this.

I love the cheat. In fact, I've found myself enjoying KS far more after finally finding the secret end to the explore challenge. The reason for this is in my sig.. I'm a proud member of the league of crap players :). But being a crap player was horrible sometimes.
For instance, Ascention by Farik. I noticed how many people enjoyed this game and downloaded. I enjoyed it until I got underground. Then came the frustration. And after finally beating that I got to the next obsticle, and I tried for hours to get past it but failed. I gave up.
When I discovered the cheat the first thing I did was use it one or two times to finally beat Ascention. And I loved it.

I don't understand why anyone would oppose this cheat. If you use it correctly, the game just gets better C)
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Salmoneous on May 12, 2010, 13:54:04
I don't understand why anyone would oppose this cheat. If you use it correctly, the game just gets better C)

I don't agree with you at all here. Sure okay, it might not be enjoyable to be stuck in one place for an hour. But it's a challange and it is supposed to be beat. By cheating you don't be that challange and you don't beat the level. So how can you feel good after doing such a crime. I have used the cheat myself several times and I have to say it isn't fun at all. The great feel of acomplishment after beating a lunatic level isn't just there.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Comhon on May 12, 2010, 17:31:48
The great feel of acomplishment after beating a lunatic level isn't just there.
The cheat is useful when you are desinging the level and I used it several times in hard levels, but I must agree with you. It's totally bad to use it always when you are suck.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: WatcherCCG on May 12, 2010, 19:20:16
I've only ever used it when a luck-based hazard has killed me more than seven or so times. I'm very patient with this game and often find amusement even in stupid deaths, but I can only tolerate so much. It's a last resort, not a common tool like the powerups.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: bulbapuck on May 12, 2010, 23:18:52
Of course you shouldn't use it every time you get stuck, that would be stupid and boring :P

I still stand by my statement: if you use it correctly, it improoves the game.

When you reach a place in a level that you cannot get past, no matter how hard you try, I see only two options. (1) Give up and never bring the level up again (as you don't feel like sitting for hours trying to get it right) or (2) use the cheat this one time, finish the level and get the full experience that the author intended.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 13, 2010, 01:28:12
When you reach a place in a level that you cannot get past, no matter how hard you try, I see only two options. (1) Give up and never bring the level up again (as you don't feel like sitting for hours trying to get it right) or (2) use the cheat this one time, finish the level and get the full experience that the author intended.
I did that once. Then I spent weeks brooding over having not fully completed the level until I got enough skills to go back and do it properly.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: SiamJai on May 13, 2010, 07:41:12
If you use it correctly, the game just gets better C)

Heh, another cheat-fan. Welcome to the club! :) We're the minority here, I'm afraid.

I totally agree that the cheat makes the game better, and I use it a lot. I'm not into challenges and puzzles, but I really like the hassle-free exploration of interesting and beautiful places, Environmental-style. With the cheat, I can easily turn any level into an Environmental. Yay for the cheat! :P
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: PONTO on May 13, 2010, 10:34:08
For what it matters, I am also of the opinion that the cheat should be public. Whether it spoils the game or not, it should be up to the player to chose what he wants to do with it. Nifflas' opinion on the issue would surely put an end to this discussion, but considering how open he generally is about his games (letting players have access to the save files and edit even the levels made by him), I can't think of a good reason he would disapprove.

However, even if Nifflas decides it is to be kept a secret, I do not understand why it should only be hidden in THAT particular level. It is not by Nifflas himself nor even an "orthodox" level, but one which heavily relies on brute force and, although I personally enjoyed it, is not for every player. This "The Explore Challenge" cheat monopoly status is, I think, rather unfair and unjustified. While it might have made some sense back in 2007, there is currently no reason to force this level upon people willing to know the cheat, with all the levels that are available.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: LPChip on May 13, 2010, 15:26:58
The only reason why I do not want to post the cheat publicly is because I want the player to do some effort in finding the cheat. It doesn't have to be hidden in only my level, but it shouldn't be that easy to get either, because that defeats the purpose.

If Nifflas decides to post it on the forum, I would still want a very well constructed post to give the cheat with spoilers and warning messages before the actual instructions. I don't mind making that post myself either.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Deformed Knee on July 15, 2010, 14:23:41
I don't actually remember the cheat code, I just know the four keys I think it's attributed to, and I tap them randomly until it works X)
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: oskop on December 12, 2010, 01:51:45
I don't get how the cheat can be an improvement to the game when what it does is by definition break the game by bending its rules. But I also don't completely understand why something that enables you to not have to go through the full playing challenge should be available only as a reward for... going through the full playing challenge.
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: LPChip on December 12, 2010, 12:50:35
Why do cheats actually exists in games you ask?

There are a few reasons why cheats are in a game. And I'm not just talking about Knytt Stories. I'm talking about cheating in games in general.

There are 3 primary reasons (there are more, no doubt) that I can think of.

1. This is the biggest reason for cheats to be in a game: Its a development tool. Enable cheats, get to a point in game quickly, and then disable them to test that part. Often something in a game has changed, so you can't use save games. No clip in 3d games is to move to a part of the map quickly. Loading a specific map is obvious..., getting all weapons and ammo is to test the weapons. How they fire, how you move with them, their effectiveness against enemies etc... godmode can be for that same reason. While testing weapons, you do not want to get killed when you make a change.

2. Everyone who is not skilled enough for finishing the game on the hardest level would still want to know what they've missed. Cheats would enable them to replay the game on the hardest level to see what they missed out. (this is actually why cheats sometimes have to be unlocked by a full play cycle; example: in Call of Duty 4 and higher, you can find intelligence. The more you have, the more cheats you unlock. In CoD4 the ultimate cheat for example is unlimited ammo and grenades, which brings me to point 3.

3. This is just for pure fun. Everyone sometime wants to feel almighty powerful. Enabling godmode and all weapons is a win-win combination. Might get boring rather quick, but it satisfies this almighty powerfulness feeling and its fun :)
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: PeppyHare4000 on December 12, 2010, 19:36:50
The cheat ruins the gaming experience though :O
Title: Re: [SPOILER] KS Cheat option
Post by: Gorfinhofin on December 12, 2010, 20:30:17
Nobody is forcing you to use it.