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Title: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Vinterrun on March 03, 2009, 01:27:16
Moonjourney (Skogens Folk) is my first level ever. Well, I created Caverns Monotony too but I started MJ earlier  8)
I don`t want to talk about the plot here, you have to find it out by yourself hehe but there`s still some work to do `cause the level is very big (Is it? Probably it is...).
I created one tileset by myself (called Moonlantern-Village) and tried out some CO`s and composed some music . Primorial I started the level to learn something about the level editor but... well... uhm... I loved it and... now it`s a big level C)p. I`ll need some beta - testers in the future. Enjoy! (Maybe you know the screens from the old forum)

I try to finish it during the next two-three weeks but maybe I`ll release it together with new level archieve... =)

EDIT: I changed the name from Skogens Folk to "Moonjourney". You`ll see =)

Screens:
Spoiler: (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Skogens Folk
Post by: Pumpkinbot on March 03, 2009, 01:36:22
Looks cool, especially the Moonlantern Village. :3
Title: Re: Skogens Folk
Post by: Purple Pineapple on March 03, 2009, 01:42:11
Ooooh. Seriously thought, someone has to fix the sharpness of "curly trees."
Title: Re: Skogens Folk
Post by: Pumpkinbot on March 03, 2009, 01:56:54
*looks closer* Oh, an SGE! In the Sad Forest Haunted Cave screen, the blue grass is hanging off the edge of the ground. That happens to me often, too. <_<

EDIT: Whoops, wrong screen. :oops:
Title: Re: Skogens Folk
Post by: Dj Gopher on March 03, 2009, 01:58:06
I love the last one :^^:
Amazing.
Title: Re: Skogens Folk
Post by: Vinterrun on March 03, 2009, 09:09:20
Thank you all. The Moonlanternvillage is my first own tileset hehe.

And yeah I have ti fix some SGE`s though. =)
Title: Re: Skogens Folk
Post by: Cheslexi on March 03, 2009, 11:31:23
I love that mushroms in Sad forest and I think that this will good level if it has good story.
Title: Re: Skogens Folk
Post by: Razzorman on March 03, 2009, 12:38:56
Dark plains bridge for the win! :D
Title: Re: Skogens Folk
Post by: Pumpkinbot on March 03, 2009, 15:52:54
*looks again* Another SGE! In the Moonlantern area, there's another piece of grass that's not connected to the wall. It's in the upper-middle of the screen.
Title: Re: Skogens Folk
Post by: Vinterrun on March 03, 2009, 16:21:18
Yeah the bridge rules ;)

Bah bah SGE hehe I have to fix a lot of details. But I try my best =)
Title: Re: Skogens Folk
Post by: Krumel on March 04, 2009, 16:30:03
Looks great!
I'm really looking forward to see the finished version. C)
Title: Re: Skogens Folk
Post by: Saturneo on March 05, 2009, 13:25:00
Wow !

I love the Moonlantern village !
Title: Re: Skogens Folk
Post by: Pumpkinbot on May 10, 2009, 00:52:38
Hey, this looks nice. But, in the first screenshot, if you want the trees to go over the solid ground, I suggest you make the tree go in front of Juni through CO usage, 'cause it feels weird to hit something solid that's behind something pass-through.
Title: Re: Skogens Folk
Post by: Strange Darkness on May 10, 2009, 01:07:31
screens look dark......i like it!
if you want i can beta test  :^^:
Title: Re: Skogens Folk
Post by: Vinterrun on May 10, 2009, 01:50:18
Thank you for the hint Pumkinbot, I`ll try to give my nest in the usage of the CO.

Strange Darkness I want it yeah. But`s the most important question is: Do you want?  :P2
Title: Re: Skogens Folk
Post by: googoogjoob on May 10, 2009, 03:13:14
Hey, um. There's already a topic for this level. (Actually, it's at the very bottom of the Level Previews list.)

So I'm like, merging this so as to keep the new, valid posts.
Title: Re: Skogens Folk
Post by: Vinterrun on May 10, 2009, 09:32:21
Uh`? Damn I was sure that the old topic was in the old Forum =P I`m sorry
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Skogens Folk *updated*
Post by: Razor on May 10, 2009, 13:02:32
Nice is it Reaseld
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Skogens Folk *updated*
Post by: Vinterrun on May 10, 2009, 14:27:36
I guess you mean released... =)

No it isn`t. I?ll try to bring to an end until the end of may but maybe I`ll release it together with the new level-archieve
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Salmoneous on May 30, 2009, 09:48:55
Looks awesome.
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Vinterrun on May 30, 2009, 23:13:27
I changed the name and added a few new screens... hope you`ll like it  C)

Here`s a new screen too:

(http://img27.picoodle.com/img/img27/2/5/30/vinterrun/f_2m_0a513e5.png)
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Purple Pineapple on May 30, 2009, 23:24:20
Awww. It's so cute. C)
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Dandelion on May 31, 2009, 21:09:56
Cool. Those screens look great! Is this going to be a challenge level or an environmental?
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Vinterrun on May 31, 2009, 21:13:10
Well... I don`t know. I tried my best to use a very good looking combination of tilesets to get an environmental effect. But on the other side the level will tell you a story with many different characters and and it have  challenging parts too. You see... ^^
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Dandelion on May 31, 2009, 21:58:48
A level can look good without being an environmental. Environmental means a level where you run around without enemies or hard jumps bothering you.
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Vinterrun on June 01, 2009, 02:48:08
Dandelion I don`t think so. I think you can mix up environmental levels with challenging ones. I could create a level without an interesting layout and with tricky jumps... that`s a challenge, I could create a level with a beautiful landscape and without any danger, that`s an environmental level, and I could build a level with tricky jumps and a beautiful landscape to have an environmental challenge =) Nobody will die if I use the third variety  C)p

And here`s a screen of an area with a great green water CO by Purple Pineaple. Thank you a lot PP =D
 (http://img30.picoodle.com/img/img30/2/5/31/vinterrun/f_am_b0cfd49.png)
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Dandelion on June 01, 2009, 03:25:39
Quote from: Vinterrun on June 01, 2009, 02:48:08
I could create a level without an interesting layout and with tricky jumps... that`s a challenge, I could create a level with a beautiful landscape and without any danger, that`s an environmental level, and I could build a level with tricky jumps and a beautiful landscape to have an environmental challenge =)
A challenge level can look good and still be categorized as just a challenge. An environmental level is, as you described, a level without any danger. Environmental levels don't even need to look good. A level that is just a line of black blocks with no enemies or jumps would still be environmental. I would, however, call a level environmental/challenge if parts were environmental and other parts were a challenge. Awsome screen by the way. X-P
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Evil on June 01, 2009, 03:27:33
Quote from: Dandelion on June 01, 2009, 03:25:39
Quote from: Vinterrun on June 01, 2009, 02:48:08
I could create a level without an interesting layout and with tricky jumps... that`s a challenge, I could create a level with a beautiful landscape and without any danger, that`s an environmental level, and I could build a level with tricky jumps and a beautiful landscape to have an environmental challenge =)
A challenge level can look good and still be categorized as just a challenge. An environmental level is, as you described, a level without any danger. Environmental levels don't even need to look good. A level that is just a line of black blocks with no enemies or jumps would still be environmental. I would, however, call a level environmental/challenge if parts were environmental and other parts were a challenge. Awsome screen by the way. X-P

Nifflas said it has to have beautiful scenery or something like that in the .ini
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Dandelion on June 01, 2009, 03:52:23
Quote from: Evil on June 01, 2009, 03:27:33
Nifflas said it has to have beautiful scenery or something like that in the .ini
The official description is An environmental level - No puzzles, no monsters, no challenge, just beautiful landscape.
But beauty is subjective, and it's pretty much been agreed upon that an environmental is a level that has no challenges, even if it isn't beautiful to some. Ive played several environmentals that aren't pretty at all IMO, but that's beside the point.
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Bored2death on June 01, 2009, 06:15:36
You need to decide one way or the other... I think everyone agrees on that. From the looks of it, I would go with a challenge. Awesome graphics only add to the fun of a challenge, and make people want to play it more. Personally, I have never even played an environmental level, as I have no interest in them. To me, they are fairly... boring... I like action more than just viewing, but that's just my personality, no offense meant to environmental levels. I do, however, appreciate a challenge with amazing graphics, because then, I don't care as much when I die.
Title: Re: [Misc.] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Vinterrun on June 01, 2009, 10:24:10
Ha! Misc.! Got you  :crazy:

Hehe I`ll see C)p
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Strange Darkness on June 14, 2009, 01:43:06
I cant believe i forgot about this level!!!  :crazy:

Just seeing all those pictures...man this level looks sooo i dunno ... abstract
so hows the progress?
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Vinterrun on June 14, 2009, 14:03:50
Thanks =D

I`s almost finished. I should finish this green area in the last screen with PP CO Water =P
It`s the last thing I want to do. I`ll need some Beta Testers in one or two weeks. If the beta-phase is finished I`m looking forward to release it  C)p
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Comhon on June 16, 2009, 10:47:14
Looking foward it.
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: moleherd on August 09, 2009, 23:56:03
Quote from: Vinterrun on June 14, 2009, 14:03:50
Thanks =D

I`s almost finished. I should finish this green area in the last screen with PP CO Water =P
It`s the last thing I want to do. I`ll need some Beta Testers in one or two weeks. If the beta-phase is finished I`m looking forward to release it  C)p

Need some betatester? I want to be a betatester  C)
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Medic-Ted on August 10, 2009, 06:16:20
That Path Screenshot looks cool, good usage of green colors

+ I dig the Knytt style
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Vinterrun on August 10, 2009, 17:05:33
Heja, I`m sorry about the lack of information. I have some trouble with my internetconnection cause I`m changing my appartement.

Moleherd yeah it would be cool to have you as BT.
I really hope to finish the level in this month and I hope that my computer has the will to ._.

I`ll try to give the best I can

Medic-Ted: Yay  C)p
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: moleherd on August 11, 2009, 11:30:20
Quote from: Vinterrun on August 10, 2009, 17:05:33
Moleherd yeah it would be cool to have you as BT.
I really hope to finish the level in this month and I hope that my computer has the will to ._.

I`ll try to give the best I can


Thank you C) It will be cool  :D
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Hmpf on August 19, 2009, 00:06:20
I seem not to have replied to this yet. So: this looks *very* promising; can't wait!
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Strange Darkness on October 09, 2009, 12:42:31
Its me agian..!  :D
I nearly forgot about this level (agian)
just wanting to know hows progress? (agian)
hope its not dead or anything
cause i would hate to see this level go unfinished  :sad:
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Cheslexi on October 12, 2009, 12:44:48
how the work goes on?
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Vinterrun on November 10, 2009, 15:33:08
It`s finally done! Yaaaay! I did it.
I`ll release it in a week or so.
If you want to Beta Test it... Call me! =D
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Purple Pineapple on November 11, 2009, 06:15:08
I do!
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Salmoneous on November 11, 2009, 11:34:41
oh great, can't wait for this. It look awesome.
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Razzorman on November 11, 2009, 16:17:56
I'm up for beta testing. :D
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Yonowaaru on November 11, 2009, 17:45:38
Btw, Challenge/Enviromental is impossible, according to the rules...
Dunno if it's for the new Forum too, but I suppose so.
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Vinterrun on November 11, 2009, 18:01:46
I don`t care about these rules. The level is a challenge and it`s environmental. If you have such a strengh love to the rules don`t play it. But if you are trusting the creator (me in this case) you`ll find out that these rules aren`t necessary here
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Razzorman on November 11, 2009, 18:59:02
Yonowaaru was just pointing it out. There is no need to take offense.
Anyways, its not really because of any rules, but more because its a complete contradiction.
The environmental tag means that a level has no challenges in it, so using it on a challenge level really makes no sense.
Nobody cares too much about that though.
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Vinterrun on November 11, 2009, 19:09:11
I`m sorry i did not want to be offensive, just a statement  :crazy:
I hope you don`t feel hurt Yonowaaru =)
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Anyndel on November 12, 2009, 07:55:01
Looks great so far, I'll be waiting for this one.

Ah, it's been months and months since I last came to this forum. Nice to see people are still working and making new levels.
Also, wow, two years since I released Gaia, time does fly...
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: LPChip on November 12, 2009, 08:44:03
Challenge and Environmental shouldn't be in the same context.

They're the complete opposite. Whenever there's one challenge you have to take, its challenge, not environmental. Whenever there is no challenge whatsoever, its environmental.

The new level system will also not allow you to select a challenge and environmental level as 2 categories for your level. This is what Nifflas wants, and therefore it are the rules. True, its not present on this forum, but that's only because this is temporary. I don't really care for how its posted here, but it doesn't mean that it won't be like that in the future.
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Vinterrun on November 12, 2009, 13:29:30
[Challevironmetal]! Yay I invented a new word... it`s vinteristic english! Woah another new word. I`m da wordmastuhh!
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Yonowaaru on November 12, 2009, 17:06:27
Doesn't matter :P
I would call this level Chalviromental too, but don't care if you don't either.
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Hmpf on November 12, 2009, 18:42:33
@Vinterrun: I am looking forward to this! :-)

@LPChip: It would be nice if the new archive had some feature that allowed users to search for levels that 'look nice', though. I think I'm not the only one here who's mainly interested in KS as an aesthetic experience, and thus will prefer environmentals in most cases, but will tackle a challenge level if it's a really good-looking one. It would be nice to be able to separate, via some search term, maybe, challenge levels with a strong aesthetic focus from those that just focus on presenting the player with, well, a challenge.
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: yohji on November 12, 2009, 19:03:35
Quote from: Hmpf on November 12, 2009, 18:42:33
It would be nice if the new archive had some feature that allowed users to search for levels that 'look nice', though. I think I'm not the only one here who's mainly interested in KS as an aesthetic experience, and thus will prefer environmentals in most cases, but will tackle a challenge level if it's a really good-looking one. It would be nice to be able to separate, via some search term, maybe, challenge levels with a strong aesthetic focus from those that just focus on presenting the player with, well, a challenge.

I'd like to second that. Perhaps this could be discussed in a separate topic somewhere on the forum? Because I remember there were other challenge vs. environmental debates before, with different participants, and it doesn't seem like most people would be happy if the categories were made completely separate, with no means of searching for good-looking levels.

(I admit I'm biased, though, because my levels kind of fall into the challenge+environmental thing too.. I think.. only the environments are really weird  :crazy: and the challenges kind of basic  :oops:)
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: moleherd on November 17, 2009, 22:13:16
bt  ;)
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Hmpf on November 27, 2009, 04:13:16
Wasn't this almost ready for release, last I checked? What's up, Vinterrun - did you get kidnapped by space aliens? ;-)
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Vinterrun on November 27, 2009, 12:27:53
Da Aliens are sooo cute you can`t imagine!... I`ve eaten them all!

Bababa it`s in Beta testing phase right now
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Hmpf on January 17, 2010, 05:05:59
Any news on this? I was rather looking forward to it...
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Hmpf on March 06, 2010, 17:04:57
*bumps this, just because*
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Strange Darkness on April 16, 2010, 08:11:46
Rawr! :awsum:
Im looking foward so much to the release im...im... (no word to express what im feeling!)
Hope all goes well!  C)p
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Vegetal Gibber on April 17, 2010, 16:46:09
The Moonlantern Village is just beautiful C)  I'd love to try this level.
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Talps on April 22, 2010, 01:58:32
Wow; this looks really awesome! You've made excellent use of tilesets; I wish I had such skills :(

I look forward to playing this! :D
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Vinterrun on January 09, 2011, 16:30:17
It has been a while. Since I'm in Austalia right now I cannot finish the hole thing here before... Christmas 2011? Such a shame!
But I worked a lot on my level here. It's unbelievable big right now. Which is a good thing.
I'm sorry for the delay and I'm sorry for my great beta testers. Just have a bit time.
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Strange Darkness on January 11, 2011, 00:18:16
Your in australia! :awsum: so how are you enjoying it here? everything turned allright?
also just saw the new last screen with the strange monsters/creatures of the night. It all looks beautifull.
Title: Re: [Challenge/ Environmental] Moonjourney *new screens/new name?!*
Post by: Vinterrun on January 11, 2011, 11:27:47
Hej hej yeah I'm walking with my head down under now  C)p
Turned out great so far ;)
I've een working on the level here too but I do not have a proper scanner and stuff like that here to finish it. But I'll will re-release Caverns Monotoni in a few weeks =D