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Title: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: SiamJai on March 04, 2012, 11:33:15
You might have noticed some changes under your name in posts. Yep, awarding :hs: became official! :)

When you find a post so awesome that it's worthy of a :hs:, click the arrow below the poster's name and they'll have one more star under their belt. Same goes for you: make a star-worthy topic and watch those :hs: pieces accumulate.

Once you have a handful of the shiny stuff, good things will happen. Rumors go about a couple of hidden forums, no topic restrictions, gorgeous slaves and plenty of booze. Not sure about the last two, but hey, now you have a way to find it all out! ;)


Oh, and there is a six-hour limit on giving stars to the same poster, to prevent abuse. Not that anyone would do that, right? There is such a thing as too much at once:

(http://thaiwonders.com/documents/nifflas/hs_pacman.gif)
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: BloxMaster on March 04, 2012, 13:24:23
Nice job, staff. It's actually a shame the hidden stars were never official anyway. ;)

We'll have to wait to find out if this eases some of the frustration of a quiet forum, but either way, I personally am pleased to see this, although I can't quite comment on the new extras. :P2
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Raicuparta on March 04, 2012, 13:52:15
Great job, much more productive than using post count as a measure.
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: LPChip on March 04, 2012, 14:30:05
You see, we actually do read every suggestion and evaluate. This was a really good suggestion. :)
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: PONTO on March 05, 2012, 00:30:00
Very nice, indeed. It's funny that we've had this thing of awarding stars to each other for years and until recently nobody thought of actually implementing that officially. Thank you, Staff!
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: SiamJai on March 05, 2012, 09:59:00
Oh, that's only because we have a lovely woman full of expressive imagination in our midst! C) If it was only up to us cold-rational guys, this could've ended up called "karma_label_v1.101final". :P
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: LPChip on March 05, 2012, 12:27:57
Oh, that's only because we have a lovely woman full of expressive imagination in our midst! C) If it was only up to us cold-rational guys, this could've ended up called "karma_label_v1.101final". :P

Hey, I suggested calling it Respect! :nuts:
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Dj Gopher on March 06, 2012, 02:34:00
Very nice  :^^:
What about side account abuse? Can you still give stars for things like Paula receiving one for being a girl?
Edit:
I'm almost tempted to make funny spam in order to get stars...
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: SiamJai on March 06, 2012, 06:09:00
What about side account abuse? Can you still give stars for things like Paula receiving one for being a girl?

We have ways of telling alt-account abuse and other shady tricks, so no worries (or worries, depending on your intention :P).

Star-worthiness is in the eye of the beholder, although ideally they reward post content. Can't blame you for falling for feminine charms (http://nifflas.lpchip.nl/index.php?topic=5205.msg55907#msg55907) though! :shifty: (oh and I'm wearing a pink shirt today...)
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Miss Paula on March 06, 2012, 13:45:16
oh you! so flattering :hs:
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Gorfinhofin on March 07, 2012, 05:25:59
Dang, nice idea. Guess I should take the stars out of my signature now, eh? ...Good bye my pretties.
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Salmoneous on March 07, 2012, 08:33:23
6 hours is not enough, make it a week. That way when people give a star it's really sincere and not for nothing.
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: LPChip on March 07, 2012, 10:26:49
6 hours is not enough, make it a week. That way when people give a star it's really sincere and not for nothing.
Nah. We carefully weighted how much time it takes. If someone makes several good posts in a row, that person would get punished because of a long wait time.
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Salmoneous on March 08, 2012, 08:51:27
If someone makes several good posts in a row, that person would get punished because of a long wait time.

Punished? Weird way to put it. You're also implying that people would make good posts on the sole basis of getting stars for it.
I still think 6 hours is too short time. I think a lot of people will give out stars like nothing because they can.
There will be a thing, give out 1 or 2 stars every day and since this forum isn't that active it will not work people will just be sitting on a lot of stars that don't mean anything in the end.
And I don't think this is good for the forum in any way other than some people will make a competition out of it. I think that will do more harm than good. Since it will work as some sort of value system, when you don't get stars you will feel worthless and maybe leave forum.
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: LPChip on March 08, 2012, 09:12:39
If someone makes several good posts in a row, that person would get punished because of a long wait time.

Punished? Weird way to put it. You're also implying that people would make good posts on the sole basis of getting stars for it.
I still think 6 hours is too short time. I think a lot of people will give out stars like nothing because they can.
There will be a thing, give out 1 or 2 stars every day and since this forum isn't that active it will not work people will just be sitting on a lot of stars that don't mean anything in the end.
And I don't think this is good for the forum in any way other than some people will make a competition out of it. I think that will do more harm than good. Since it will work as some sort of value system, when you don't get stars you will feel worthless and maybe leave forum. For a forum administration that carefully weight everything you don't take many things into consideration.

I still disagree with you. We really have considered this and we take many things into consideration. And although I really do not have to explain myself, I'll do it if that makes you feel better.

The idea of giving stars is not for competition sake but for rewards. Since this is the reason, we do monitor the log actively. When we see abuse, we can and will correct it. I made sure that we can see who gives a star to who and what the content is that it was given on. And if we see that indeed there is too much abuse (which hasn't been the case so far) then we can change the time setting.

So: no. People thus far haven't given out stars because they can. The posts stars were given to are indeed posts that would deserve a star. But if you don't like the idea of giving out stars, then just don't give out stars. Its not an obligation.

Just know, if things go the wrong way, we will see it and deal with it. We can even prevent people from giving stars if we have to.
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Miss Paula on March 08, 2012, 13:25:33
You're also implying that people would make good posts on the sole basis of getting stars for it.
I don't think what the problem is with that. after all, we do want people to post stuff with great content. so encouraging them to do so is quite precisely the whole purpose of this new system.
I think a lot of people will give out stars like nothing because they can.
actually, I wish they would. ;) meaning to say that the system is not exactly horribly actively used, so really there is no problem with any sort of star-spamming so far.
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Dj Gopher on March 10, 2012, 09:26:07
I think any limit whatsoever instils a sort of moral conduct on giving. I think the same effect would come from a 30-minute period as would a full day-period.
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: egomassive on March 11, 2012, 10:46:48
Is there a way for us to know where hidden stars come from and why? Since they're called "hidden stars" it only seems appropriate that they be anonymous by default, but I'd like to know their origins. I've seen only a few open award givings so far. I imagine we're going through a period of stars being awarded for past accomplishments, and it would be a poor idea to resurrect dead threads just for hidden star issues. I think there should be a thread where our reasons for giving hidden stars can be exposed. (e.g. I award an HS to Miss Paula for being a female.)

Also, I've accumulated a few stars myself --for reasons unknown-- and I was wondering where one might look for hidden forums once one has gathered enough luminosity to see them.
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Raicuparta on March 11, 2012, 11:02:16
Well if you wanna know I think i gave you a star in your mod thread :P
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: LPChip on March 13, 2012, 09:43:44
Is there a way for us to know where hidden stars come from and why? Since they're called "hidden stars" it only seems appropriate that they be anonymous by default, but I'd like to know their origins. I've seen only a few open award givings so far. I imagine we're going through a period of stars being awarded for past accomplishments, and it would be a poor idea to resurrect dead threads just for hidden star issues. I think there should be a thread where our reasons for giving hidden stars can be exposed. (e.g. I award an HS to Miss Paula for being a female.)

Also, I've accumulated a few stars myself --for reasons unknown-- and I was wondering where one might look for hidden forums once one has gathered enough luminosity to see them.

People wanted to know who gave them stars, and now you can find out!

At the top of the page there now is a new button that can look like this: (http://nifflas.lpchip.nl/Themes/Nifflas/images/english/stars.gif) if you're using the Knytt Edition skin.

You obviously need to be logged in to press the button, but when you are and you click it, you can actually see who gave you stars.

There's one thing to note: In the beginning, the log wasn't properly maintained, and as such a few entries are missing. If you find in the log that you gave yourself a star or two, then this is because I added bogus entries. You can see that they have a date of 1970 too. Its just so the log gives you the same amount of results as the amount of stars that were given to you because someone pressed the up arrow.

Enjoy. :)
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: SiamJai on March 13, 2012, 11:15:13
Yep, and if you're one of the more rebellious folks who use alternative skins, you'll find the button on the top as well - it's always after the Profile button!

I was wondering where one might look for hidden forums once one has gathered enough luminosity to see them.

Rumor goes that people with general, creative thinking will have an easier time finding those boards, when the time comes. ;)
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Headgrinder on March 31, 2012, 15:17:35
I'm really glad you guys implemented this.   I think it will be a positive incentive to post good content, which I have no problem with.  I think we all need incentives.  I'm also just glad to see improvements being made to the forum.  So thanks and good good job!
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Purple Pineapple on April 15, 2012, 01:20:24
Love the idea and implementation. It's just I see a slight misfortune for former forum-goers.


*leaves forum with 15 :hiddenstar:
*comes back to find   
Quote
Total :hiddenstar: : 1
   :(
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: LPChip on April 15, 2012, 17:01:43
Love the idea and implementation. It's just I see a slight misfortune for former forum-goers.


*leaves forum with 15 :hiddenstar:
*comes back to find   
Quote
Total :hiddenstar: : 1
   :(

If someone goes, its their decision. If they return and not use their old nick, well... We can't really do anything about that.
So thats up to them. I doubt someone will care for their stars if they decide to leave though...
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Yoeri on April 15, 2012, 20:04:16
Love the idea and implementation. It's just I see a slight misfortune for former forum-goers.


*leaves forum with 15 :hiddenstar:
*comes back to find   
Quote
Total :hiddenstar: : 1
   :(

If someone goes, its their decision. If they return and not use their old nick, well... We can't really do anything about that.
So thats up to them. I doubt someone will care for their stars if they decide to leave though...
I think he meant people who used to keep count of their stars before this was implemented.
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Purple Pineapple on April 19, 2012, 04:42:35
If someone goes, its their decision. If they return and not use their old nick, well... We can't really do anything about that.
Actually the person to whom I was referring was myself.

So thats up to them. I doubt someone will care for their stars if they decide to leave though...
Once you have a handful of the shiny stuff, good things will happen. Rumors go about a couple of hidden forums, no topic restrictions, ...
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: LPChip on April 19, 2012, 09:03:23
If someone goes, its their decision. If they return and not use their old nick, well... We can't really do anything about that.
Actually the person to whom I was referring was myself.

So thats up to them. I doubt someone will care for their stars if they decide to leave though...
Once you have a handful of the shiny stuff, good things will happen. Rumors go about a couple of hidden forums, no topic restrictions, ...

Well, we have only recently implemented stars, and stars given as a gesture are not carried into it, simply because people gave stars for other reasons than posts (it was unofficial anyway). If you however plan to leave the forum in the future and you come back later, your current account should still be here.
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: BeamishBoy on April 27, 2012, 06:00:49
Just wanted to say that, after an absurdly long lurking period, the addition of Hidden Stars (and the promised hidden forum) was something that pulled me into membership (along with other factors). I'm happy to see that this already tight-knit community is still changing and improving.

Hi all!  X-P
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: LPChip on April 27, 2012, 09:16:43
Nice to see that these additions seems to be a good reason for lurkers to actually become active. :)
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Headgrinder on April 28, 2012, 12:42:42
Yeah for insensitives!

Edit: That should say incentives. 
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Raicuparta on April 28, 2012, 18:22:46
Yeah for insensitives!
Check-spell mistake? :P
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Headgrinder on April 29, 2012, 12:49:56
Yep.  <sigh>
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: egomassive on August 24, 2012, 06:16:42
I now have enough stars to cover every pixel of my body, 42. I thought I'd commemorate this moment by wearing them. I don't know how other people feel about stars now that they've been around for a time, but I still like them. :^^:

Edit: 42 stars didn't last long. Back to normal avatar I guess.
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Headgrinder on August 24, 2012, 12:57:58
Very nice!  :D 

I feel great about stars, just not great about how little time I (and I assume others) have to do projects worthy of receiving them.  House mortgage, overtime at work, home improvement, helping and loving on my wife, my son and my daughter to come while still trying to follow my heart's passionate dreams of writing leaves little time for my other passion of knytting.  :(
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: sergiocornaga on August 24, 2012, 17:00:12
A stars suggestion! It would be great if it were possible to see stars given in addition to stars received.
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: LPChip on August 24, 2012, 17:03:28
A stars suggestion! It would be great if it were possible to see stars given in addition to stars received.

Why would you want to see which stars you gave? I mean, you gave them didn't you? Do you want to check upon yourself, or do you feel your account has been compromised and you are worried that someone is giving out stars in your name?
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: sergiocornaga on August 24, 2012, 20:10:32
Why would you want to see which stars you gave? I mean, you gave them didn't you? Do you want to check upon yourself, or do you feel your account has been compromised and you are worried that someone is giving out stars in your name?

Can you remember every star you've given? I know I can't. I'd also like to see how my giving rate compares to my getting rate, or if there are users I unconsciously favour, stuff like that!
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: LPChip on August 24, 2012, 22:09:21
Why would you want to see which stars you gave? I mean, you gave them didn't you? Do you want to check upon yourself, or do you feel your account has been compromised and you are worried that someone is giving out stars in your name?

Can you remember every star you've given? I know I can't. I'd also like to see how my giving rate compares to my getting rate, or if there are users I unconsciously favour, stuff like that!

Again, why would I want to remember who I gave a star? (I actually do remember, but thats besides the point)
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Headgrinder on August 26, 2012, 09:13:25
Well, for one, you might be like, "did I give a star for that?" or you just might want to bask in the glory of your own generosity. 
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Dj Gopher on August 26, 2012, 10:17:59
What about an 'undo this action' button?
I've given quite a few away on accident..
I however am not familiar with SMF and it's capabilities, so forgive me if I'm asking for something too difficult :P
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: LPChip on August 26, 2012, 12:17:33
Unfortunately SMF is not that powerfull. It normally just gives you the ability to thumbs up or down a post and it doesn't even keep track of where it was. I had to hack in the functionality so we can see where a karma was given. So anything like an undo is not possible. The ability to track down where it was given to prevent giving another one is not possible either.

Adding that you can see which ones you gave is, but since I have to add this to the script and my time is limited, I need a good reason.
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Dj Gopher on August 27, 2012, 23:49:32
Unfortunately SMF is not that powerfull. It normally just gives you the ability to thumbs up or down a post and it doesn't even keep track of where it was. I had to hack in the functionality so we can see where a karma was given. So anything like an undo is not possible. The ability to track down where it was given to prevent giving another one is not possible either.

Adding that you can see which ones you gave is, but since I have to add this to the script and my time is limited, I need a good reason.
Oh I see.
And knowing which ones you gave doesn't seem all that useful to me.. Something that would be nice if you could just click it on, but not worth it if it takes work to achieve :P
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: LPChip on September 07, 2012, 11:00:32
I was having a moment of boredom at work, and decided to add it afterall. :)

Clicking the stars button at the top will now also show you to whom you gave a star. :) yay.
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Raicuparta on September 07, 2012, 11:09:05
This is actually a pretty cool addition, looks like I've been giving just a bit more stars than receiving, neat :)
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: LPChip on September 07, 2012, 11:34:36
I've been giving fairly more stars than been given. (English language can be fun sometimes).

About 140% more I'd say.
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Salmoneous on September 07, 2012, 13:21:21
I've been giving fairly more stars than been given. (English language can be fun sometimes).
*than has been given to me.  :^^::^^::P2;):shifty:

Star for correction  :) ??

lol joking hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: egomassive on September 07, 2012, 13:30:59
Thanks LPChip. I do often find myself wondering if I'd given a star for a particular post or not. Especially when I find 2 good posts at the same time. Eight hours later I don't remember which post I gave it to. Need more ginseng in my diet I guess. :P *gives star*

@ Slamoneous: LPChip's sentence is hard to read, but I'm fairly certain it's correct.
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: sergiocornaga on September 07, 2012, 17:07:30
My gives also outweigh my gets... which means someone's gotta be hoarding stars.

P.S. Thanks LPChip! Another star from me for implementing this!
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: LPChip on September 07, 2012, 17:25:59
You're welcome guys. :)

My time is limited, but sometimes even I seem to have a moment of extra time. :)
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Yoeri on September 07, 2012, 17:31:36
My gives also outweigh my gets... which means someone's gotta be hoarding stars.
*covers up his stash*
Mine! D:
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: Headgrinder on September 08, 2012, 00:51:01
Not having been very productive lately, though otherwise simi active on the forums, looks like I give more than twice what I receive.  :P
Title: Re: Hiddenstar awards and new forums
Post by: GrayFace on September 08, 2012, 03:07:17
I'm surprised I've given more than I received, almost 2x more.