I looked at the player list and picked a name at random :P.
I don't want a quick, random lynch but random votes are fine at this stage.
I don't want a quick, random lynch
The easiest way to provoke discussion IMO is to place a vote.
@shawn, why not? What information is specifically needed?
I said I wanted to be in on first page.Damn. I am not doing very well hosting this.
Confirm.
blah.
confirmed!
Absolutely no clue who to vote ;)... I'll just wait and see what happens. No FOS, yet, either, and nobody seems to have incriminating evidence yet...I think i'll do the same...
No wait. I dont want to be in.
I vote: BudjaWait. Is Salmoneous in?
Budja... Not to be cruel, but I am speaking the truth. Let's be honest. out of history, I don't think I was ever mafia. Granted it doesn't mean people will think of me as innocent, but I seem to notice a trend.
I've about reached a verdict, not in self defense, but out of self thought, but alas, to vote budja, or the other person voting me (who happen to be the ONLY voters), would guarantee my death, so to try and procure other information, I'm going to have to blindly vote T3c4n0g33k.
Budja... Not to be cruel, but I am speaking the truth. Let's be honest. out of history, I don't think I was ever mafia. Granted it doesn't mean people will think of me as innocent, but I seem to notice a trend.
I've about reached a verdict, not in self defense, but out of self thought, but alas, to vote budja, or the other person voting me (who happen to be the ONLY voters), would guarantee my death, so to try and procure other information, I'm going to have to blindly vote T3c4n0g33k.
Wait. Is Salmoneous in?
I don't get it. First you criticize NES for pushing for a lynch, (which he never really did, by the way) then you immediately start pushing to lynch him?Budja... Not to be cruel, but I am speaking the truth. Let's be honest. out of history, I don't think I was ever mafia. Granted it doesn't mean people will think of me as innocent, but I seem to notice a trend.
I've about reached a verdict, not in self defense, but out of self thought, but alas, to vote budja, or the other person voting me (who happen to be the ONLY voters), would guarantee my death, so to try and procure other information, I'm going to have to blindly vote T3c4n0g33k.
You seem to really be trying to defend yourself there. Plus, it seems you feel guaranteed that you are going to die, it's only a matter of time. By implying everybody should be voting, it seems to indicate you want somebody lynched. My question is, do you want a townsperson or a mafia? Or do you want everyone but you dead? No, I'm afraid I'm going to Vote: NESgamer190.
@shawn, talk on day 1 leads to more information for the town. More information = greater chance of town victory.
I don't get it. First you criticize NES for pushing for a lynch, (which he never really did, by the way) then you immediately start pushing to lynch him?Budja... Not to be cruel, but I am speaking the truth. Let's be honest. out of history, I don't think I was ever mafia. Granted it doesn't mean people will think of me as innocent, but I seem to notice a trend.
I've about reached a verdict, not in self defense, but out of self thought, but alas, to vote budja, or the other person voting me (who happen to be the ONLY voters), would guarantee my death, so to try and procure other information, I'm going to have to blindly vote T3c4n0g33k.
You seem to really be trying to defend yourself there. Plus, it seems you feel guaranteed that you are going to die, it's only a matter of time. By implying everybody should be voting, it seems to indicate you want somebody lynched. My question is, do you want a townsperson or a mafia? Or do you want everyone but you dead? No, I'm afraid I'm going to Vote: NESgamer190.
That seems at least a little bit suspicious to me.
I vote: Bored2death.
TechnoGeek and Limelemon joined the end of the NES wagon without any comment. FoS. What do you two actually think of NES?
it seems pretty unfair to me that i could be lynched simply because i was chosen randomly.One vote and Koromi mentions future possible lynches of him? Quaint.
..and it seems suspicious to me that you seem not to care who is lynched.Random baseless statement, I think.
I doubt anyone wants me to roleclaim at all, as I'm pretty sure people know from my mafia gaming history who I wind up being 99% of the time...False probability syllogism. Your role in this game does not hinge on the role you had during previous mafia games. You have chosen, in this post, a peculiar line of defense which fails easily. Why did you choose to point out to use that you have usually were an innocent (regardless if you were or not, I'm not bothered to check)? Why such a desperate defense?
Aye, you've left me but no choice but to give you my final two warnings to thee before thou all maketh fatal moves.
Firstly, you should learn that those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it,
and secondly, I will roleclaim if thou desire it, in fact... I am but a mere townsperson again. Failure to heed this final warning will give the mafia a head start in repeating history (Translation: a victory for mafia will occur if I wind up hung). *pulls out cyanide if it comes to his death sentence*
There's no way to tell who someone is on the first day. You'd need a voting pattern that points at that person being a night role, and even then you can't be sure.Well. Behaviour in the thread, stumbles a mafia makes, jumping on bandwagons but never making a proper case against suspects... all these things could help weed out a mafia player during the first day.
By implying everybody should be voting, it seems to indicate you want somebody lynched.An interesting post. Where does NESGamer imply everybody should be voting?
Even if you are as you claim, one deceased townie (which I pray you are not, because it would hurt the town) would not necessarily mean the end of the game for all of us.One should attempt to completely exclude the chance of NES being a townie before voting for him, no? You seem not entirely sure with your vote on NES. Is this the case?
Looking on the history of mafia can lead to resolving the problems in the future.
Well. Behaviour in the thread, stumbles a mafia makes, jumping on bandwagons but never making a proper case against suspects... all these things could help weed out a mafia player during the first day.
So Lunar, who do you think is the most likely to be mafia?I'd be defying my own laws of mediocrity by voting, but I will say that if I were pushed (with hot iron forks) to vote I would be 35% happy with my vote being on the least inactive player, who in this case would be either Technogeek, Kasran or Salmoneous (I haven't checked yet so I couldn't say for sure).
I voted for NESGamer because so far, he seems the most suspicious.It makes sense to me that investigators act suspiciously, as do doctors and generally all non vanilla town roles are likely to act suspiciously. All I am pointing out is that while there's something going on with NESgamer, his roleclaim being the culmination of this suspicious behaviour, this said behaviour by no means necessarily equates to scummyness.
Again, it makes the most sense to me if he is mafia.Could you elaborate on this? I'd like to know, other than the things you have already posted, what makes you think this.
Another thing I would like to mention is that I only check the forum once a day or so, so voting me based on activity seems totally pointless to me because others could be in a similar situation.It is by no means pointless. In a (very unreal) situation where one has to choose between an inactive person and an active person, it makes complete sense to vote out the inactive person, as he is the least beneficial to the town. Of course, this theoretical situation shouldn't be applied, but it definitely isn't pointless to (given no other path of action) place one's vote due to a player's activity, or lack thereof.
I'll unvote as well, unless I see further cause to pursue voting.Your open-mindedness and non-stubbornness impresses me. As producing flattery escapes me, I shall only say that you smell pro-town. Only if I wanted to throw you in the most scummiest of lights would I accuse you being scummy due to the boustrophedon turn of your opinions.
I unvote, for some pretty obvious reasons.Are we to take it that you agree completely with Bored's statement?
On RazzorMy vote on Bored was mostly based on the fact that he was pushing very hard for a quick lynch on NES, with a false argument.I unvote, for some pretty obvious reasons.Are we to take it that you agree completely with Bored's statement?
It is not helpful to the town to leave such matters unexplained Razzor, please elaborate.
Fair enough, but one other question comes to mind there: in the history of Mafia gaming, nothing like this has occurred before in your situation. Why is that, and why is it just this time that you are basically exploding about small things?My family's called me a worrywart, and I guess they were right. My paranoia makes me an all too worrisome individual, especially near insects. All in all, my paranoia winds up highjacking my seat of control whenever something disastrous comes. I guess you can call it a weakness of mine, but As I mentioned before, I'm going to man up to my paranoia. (apologies about same reason utilization, but needless to say, I've been a worrywart to cause me to go into doomsday mode.)
Yet... you avoid another question? Again: why is this behavior seen now, but not in the past? I don't mean to come across as cruel or tough, but if that's the case, the reason is to get as much evidence as possible for the good of the town. Your actions still haven't been satisfactorily explained.I figure I might as well explain the whole reason of a fearful bout. Needless to say, Consider this very macabre, but the fact I have final exams, as well as the fact of my pitiful trigonometry skills are existent, caused me some unneeded distress. In earlier rounds, I've either been untouched by votes, or I was not quite taking trigonometry's harder segment/nearing finals. Forgive me if this STILL is not enough to explain my jittery actions, but stress is by and far my big panic causer.
@mod: how long is day one going to last? we need some kind of action around here... it's beginning to get... must I say it... (points to name) :sigh: boring... yep, the grim reaper's coming for me...If neccessary, I can say everyone turned around and went to bed. With 13 alive, it takes 7 to quit. :P
My vote on Bored was mostly based on the fact that he was pushing very hard for a quick lynch on NES, with a false argument.
When he unvoted NES I couldn't be sure that he was mafia anymore, since he had suddenly stopped pushing for a lynch.
Of course, he could still be mafia, and simply unvoted because he felt he was under pressure. That is just speculation though, and its nothing I want to base my vote on.
Votecount:
NESgamer190 (4): Dataflashsabot, shawnachu, LimeLemon, TechnoGeek
Lunar_Tick (1): Budja
Are you suggesting that looking for solid evidence before voting is a bad thing? That's the way it comes out to me, and I just cannot follow that advice with a good conscience.There isn't much solid evidence that can be gathered in the first day. In the end, we will all have to base our votes on some amount of speculation. How much you want to guess on is completely up to yourself.
I dropped it because, after all, it is the first day, and we have no hard evidence, other than one past lie.About the lie: I don't think any mafia would be dull enough to use the argument "I've never been the Mafia before", as it fails so easily.
It is obvious that NES has some kind of power role, but we don't know what kind yet. This is my first time playing, but I can understand if NES has a power role and wants to stay alive, that's fine, as long as it benefits the town.You seem very convicted of your opinion of NES, I do not know what to make of this. What makes you think NES is definitely a power role? What if NES is just a regular townie and we're just blowing things out of proportion while the Mafia slip under our nose?
Anyway, wanted to ask if the investigator would, if they found the mafia, reveal themselves to the public to let us know.What would be your strategy having heard an investigator claim?
We'll see if everyone's still awake, first! Or, if anyone else is alive (has stuff been going on that I was left out on :shocked:? Everyone's dead... all my town friends... :sad: that's why they stopped replying... uh-oh... I'm the mafia's next target!Huh?
Are you suggesting that looking for solid evidence before voting is a bad thing? That's the way it comes out to me, and I just cannot follow that advice with a good conscience.Who are you taking about? Who suggested that solid evidence searching is bad? :S
But alas, nobody trusts a wretch...Huh? Explain.
I'm going to have to blindly vote T3c4n0g33k.Why did you feel the need to vote Techno blindly? It's illogical. A townie doesn't feel the need to vote randomly.
As for voting, I might as well unvote if what the post at the time was proves true.What post? Huh? You illogically voted and the illogically unvoted, it looks like.
I'm simply glad to see that logic has come through to the people, and for that, I am going to be grateful for.What logic? You have provided us with nothing. What I said was that we should be cautious with lynching. If suspicion manifests itself in votes, then some of the votes on you were justified.
[...]In fact, since neither his unvote has been properly justified nor his vote on NES in the first place, his eventual unvote makes him more suspicious, to me. A common Mafia tell is vote-switching to cater for the changing views of the town. However I'm not comfortable with a Bored vote or a FOS at the moment.
Of course, he could still be mafia, and simply unvoted because he felt he was under pressure. That is just speculation though, and its nothing I want to base my vote on.
FoS: Lunar, Bored2Death for role-fishing, Lunar at least should know better.My alleged role-fishing was a theory. It has not been tested and can't be used as evidence on par with results from thorough questioning.
Seriously how many times do you want to mention that NES probably has a PR.
Even if you suspect as much, you don't have to declare it to the whole town.
vote: Lunar for reasons above.
NES's use of language seems still slightly forced. I have never seen NES speak in such prose before.Indeed. He likes his Middle English but NES is behaving out of character.
Also, I'd be most comfortable with an inactive lynch. Think about it. The mafia and the SK will favour killing peeps who talk, so they can dominate. Imagine having an endgame where conversation is basically led by a mafia. Or worse, where conversation isn't led, because it doesn't exist.
Serial Killer
Every night you can kill one person by PMing me their name. You win when you equal or outnumber the town. If it's you and a mafia member, you win. If it's you and a mafia roleblocker, the mafia wins.
Also, the fact that you randomly voted T3c4n0g33k and not Lunar_Tick (who actually has a vote) makes it look like you don't care who lives or dies.He randomly voted for technogeek in the beginning of the day, at which point it is sort of OK to do that. This was way before Lunar said anything at all.
Anyway, chances are there is a serial killer, and we didn't imply NES could only be a serial killer, so why defend yourself from being sk? You don't seem to defend yourself from being mafia there...He could simply have misunderstood Lunar when he said:
I cannot imagine you being any town or mafia aligned role. Which brings me to my very sketchy conclusion, that NES being a serial killer is less likely than NES being a bit mad.NES probably just skimmed through the post to get the greater picture instead of reading it more carefully. This seems a little weird to me. Why are you rushing your defense NES?
I had nothing to say that not already had been said.You haven't said anything real since then. Why?
You haven't said anything since page 4 either, which means that you stopped talking as soon as you got rid of our attention.
Early in the game, you overreacted slightly to a random vote on yourself. This was pointed out, and you instantly wanted everyone to stop voting.
I've already voted and said what I have to say, I'm just waiting for the lynch.All you have done is agree with the case on NES and place your vote. Hardly much contribution.
- koromiA point well pointed out that I also fell upon by bad mistake.
Early in the game, you overreacted slightly to a random vote on yourself. This was pointed out, and you instantly wanted everyone to stop voting.
This may have been because you wanted a sensible lynch, like you said, or it could have been because you wanted people to look the other way and start thinking about other players instead.
You haven't said anything since page 4 either, which means that you stopped talking as soon as you got rid of our attention.
Likelihood of being mafia: 4/5
I can't figure out why he's been so vocal though- if he was Mafia/SK he would probably try to keep a low profile... unless he's double bluffing?A double bluff? Could you please explain the double bluff, as far as I see, if I were to double bluff, then I'd be bluffing on my bluff of being a power role, and theoretically, am a townie. A little input would be nice for this form of reverse psychology...
On the other hand, you have been throwing out half done investigations on a lot of people in your posts.What do you mean by half done? Comparatively, I think my investigations are at least pretty regular.
I mean that they are just short quotes with captions telling us what you think. You don't always bring up evidence against those you are investigating, you just make them look a little bit suspicious and let it go like that.On the other hand, you have been throwing out half done investigations on a lot of people in your posts.What do you mean by half done? Comparatively, I think my investigations are at least pretty regular.
Whereas lynching Igiari things are different. Although there is a much slimmer chance of lynching a Mafia, we are completely sure that we don't kill a townie.
yes, how do you know for sure he's not a townsperson?Whereas lynching Igiari things are different. Although there is a much slimmer chance of lynching a Mafia, we are completely sure that we don't kill a townie.
...What!? Did you just claim to know 100% for sure that Igiari is anti-tonwie?
explain why not.
Meep.huh?
With that said I want to say that I won't continue participate in this game of mafia.
That's 7 votes.then this is unnecessary, but vote:Igiari
Alright, now that day and night 1 are over, I would like to say that, again, two townspeople have died, and we're about as far as possible from knowing who mafia is.
Alright, now that day and night 1 are over, I would like to say that, again, two townspeople have died
Quote from: TechnoAlright, now that day and night 1 are over, I would like to say that, again, two townspeople have died
Read more carefully, it looks like he is also refering to Igiari.
I vote: Bored2death.
Either way, I'm going to have to go on the former of the two, and fos limelemon, seeing he did oppose bored2death, and bored was townie. (Not to go against my theory, but I am completely aware of the town making a fluke now and then, and I am not doing this fos in retaliation to limelemon's fos.)
@all, vote Igiari or explain why not.Interesting post. Why was a vote for Igiari taken for granted anyway?
There are only two reasons I can think of for why bored was killed during the night.As a general comment, I think it should be said that perhaps we are reading too much importance into the night kills. The mafia saw a talkative townie and they did silence him. Any drama we distill from this is little more than speculation, is it not?
1. Killing bored was intended to start the NESwagon again.Hm. The mafia probably killed Bored to stir up drama.
2. NES is mafia.
He wasn't playing anyways, so he couldn't possibly have been a threat.Fallacy. People lurking are of the highest threat to the town, perhaps regardless of their win condition.
FOS: BudjaWoah where did this come from?
FOS:Limelemon [...]Pretty justified stuff right there.
Fallacy. People lurking are of the highest threat to the town, perhaps regardless of their win condition.True, but igiari wasn't lurking. He announced that he had not, and wasn't going to participate in this game of mafia. Purple pineapple even tried to replace him with Salmoneous, so I think its safe to say the he wasn't playing, and therefor not much of a threat to the town.
From here:FOS: BudjaWoah where did this come from?
@all, vote Igiari or explain why not.This was ok before igiari announced that he wasn't playing, but he didn't vote for igiari until a while after igiari quit.
(That post was countering Limelemon (as well (?)))Not to the same extent, but yeah, I'm a bit suspicious of him too.
I guess what I'm trying to say is; It didn't matter if he was mafia or not. Even if he was, he wouldn't have been assisting the other mafia member.A mafia doesn't have to post in the thread to be useful. In fact, a mafia member benefits, as does the whole mafia, from not posting in the thread and encouraging (directly or indirectly) the townies to do the same. If we condone such behaviour, well, we lose.
Back when Igiari posted that, I PMed Salmoneous if he wanted to take his place. I haven't heard back yet, so if Igiari isn't lynched, he's going to die in his sleep. *shrug*Which means some things, but I wont over analyze at the moment.
vote:budja for the purpose of continuing the game. (though perhaps that is a bit hypocritical..)Totally jumped on a bandwagon when the game was dying, seems like a last chance attempt to get a townie killed. With the interesting behaviour Koromi displayed D1 I totally support a Koromi lynch at the moment. He's inactive and theres a good chance he's mafia, so I see it as a win-win(lose) situation for the town. :3
I'm a bit suspicious of him too.I am not suspicious of him.
@Lunar, why is Koromi's bandwagoning more suspicious than the whole Igiari bandwagon?
I don't like your "logic", Lunar.
We should encourage the lurkers to become more active instead of just killing them.
FOS: Lunar
wanted to start a bangwagon against Budjabangwagon
That being said, voting for and killing a player is very different.QFT
That being said, perhaps my pessimism, or rather my realism on the subject of attempting to higher the standard of Mafia on this forum is clouding my view of a better solution to the problem. If you have one, fire away.
QFTQuad Ferat Temonstratum?
It is tough as playing too strongly/aggressively seems to slow down the game a lot here.Indeed.
@LL, threatening lurkers with a lynch is sometimes necessary to lure them out. If they start contribution the wagon can be halted, shifted, whatever if need be.
@Lunar, pretty much the answer I was expecting :P. I was also uncomfortable with koromi's panic on day 1, a typical scum reaction IMO unlike NES's flipout.
In short, I'm convinced.
vote: koromi
What panic? Also, I don't think your role affects much how you react on a vote towards you. That's more a personal thing.
I've only a real inclination to speak to Razzorman.Go ahead then.
I suspect another wagon is coming to try and make turfkill out of meWhat why? No votes on you, no good arguments against you. What why, I say!
but I feel as though that wagon will not come this timeDoesn't that contradict what you just said? Why are you putting on this illusion of self-uncofidence, anxiety and paranoia?
Considering Budja's support to the Lunar theory, I will have to FOS KoromiSo your personal opinion of the role of other, third players is based on the opinion of fourth players on said third player?
I would want to vote Koromi, I'd be accused of a bandwagon and then become headless.Bandwagons (
@mod: Would you report it to us if the Mafia/SK tried to kill someone and failed?If either fails to kill, there is simply only one lynch. The only people ever to know why besides mafia/sk would be the doctor and maybe investigator.
@mod: Do you maintain a policy of restricting the length of nights if night roles aren't posted for a long time? If yes, would you report the utilization of such a restriction?For now, the night roles will all be restricted. If actions aren't PMed, no action is taken.
anyway, I must agree that koromi is acting unusually suspicious. First being mega-scared about a vote against him, then not posting anything at all, is just plain fishy.
@Limelemon: Yeah what do you think of a) [...]
In short, I'm convinced.
vote: koromi
am i honestly supposed to sit back and enjoy being lynched, because then the town will see i'm one of them?No you're supposed to counter the pretty valid arguments against you. You have ignored all of the claims made against you. I'm gonna give you some slack to counter them. I'm talking, like, 24 hours. Maybe.
also, lunar and budja seem to be ignoring people just going along with anything they say. posting but unnoticed.
who is more likely to be the mafia? people who attract attention due to their inactivity or people who hide from lynchers by "jumping on bandwagons" but not saying anything so radically different that they are noticed.
i'm ready to vote, but i'll go look through what's already happened to find enough evidence to do that.I'd really like to hear who you find most suspicious/who you think we should lynch/who you think is mafia and generally all your positions on the game. I'd also like to hear your opinion on the N1 kill. Who did it do you think (Mafia or SK)? What were the motives behind the SK/Mafia killing him who they did?
@Mod: What is the exact wording of the Mafia's win condition?
@Mod: Does the SK count as an innocent, a mafia, or neither, when calculating the Mafia's win condition?
QuoteMafia Member
Every night you discuss with your partner who to lynch. I need a PM of confirmation from both of you unless one is inactive for over the time limit. Then, they are on shaky ground. You win when the mafia equal or outnumber the other roles.
Mafia Roleblocker
Every night you discuss with your partner who to lynch. I need a PM of confirmation from both of you unless one is inactive for over the time limit. Then, they are on shaky ground. You may also role block anyone each night by PMing me their name. You win when the mafia equal or outnumber the other roles.
Serial Killer
Every night you can kill one person by PMing me their name. You win when you equal or outnumber the town. If it's you and a mafia member, you win. If it's you and a mafia roleblocker, the mafia wins.
@Limelemon: Yeah what do you think of a) the fact that your stance is not only minority, but in my view mostly wrong except in extreme cases of tactical weirdness which I'm only including as a fail-safe...
And b) please give us a defence against Data vote. What say you about it? TELL MEEEEEEE
Votecount are in the first post. koromi is on L-1.
I think we have had as much discussion as we are going to get. Anyone care to hammer :P.
shawnachu, serial killer, lynched night 2
Bored2death, townsperson, throat slit night 1
The final votecount:
[...]
@Lunar, Look at the first post :P. Only 1 left.Huh?
Although fairly accurate, your readings may fall into the trap of missing a mafia member.
Dataflashsabot: not a bad case on Limelemon but didn't comment of the koromi wagon even when it was nearing a lynch.
vote Dataflashsabot
koromi... personally I think he's okay, he may have just not had anything to say on the matter that other people haven't said. As you point out, I was like that too, so I can understand.
According to what happened night 2, we are down to what appears to be a mafia goon and a roleblocker.What are you talking about? There is only one mafia player left in the game.
@Limelemon:
What were your reasons on holding your vote back from voting Koromi until the last moment? What eventually moved you to vote?
What are you talking about? There is only one mafia player left in the game.Care to explain why shawnachu died off?
...hm. I'm thinking Lunar_Tick atm. He implied he has a power role as if it were nothing, which makes me think he wasn't scared of repercussions.Your argument, I believe, is baseless.
I'm also suspicious of Budja voting (rather than FOSing) me based on me not commenting on koromi...Even if you give a valid reason from not having anything to do with questioning koromi or doubting him even in the slightest up to now, I don't think you can accuse people who demand answers from the rest of the congregation for being scummy.
followed the crowd instead....
And this time, it was lucky for the town.Are you implying that you gambled by voting on Koromi, still unsure of his role? Or did you actually change your mind because you believed he was scum?
Data looks like the prime target for a lynch due to D2 shenanigans. I thought... that was obvious....Excuse me?
Also, first you FOS me for not trusting you and jumping on the koromi bandwagon.That is a greedy reduction.
Then, you FOS me because I finally decided to trust you and voted koromi.
What 'day 2 shenanigans'?In short, trying to distance yourself from Koromi, lurking and ignoring me.
LimeLemon seems trustworthy to me.Why do you feel this? This comes in complete contradiction with your post #207:
Well, LimeLemon has not argued his case all that much, and he still seems upset by a perfectly legitimate lynch even after it being explained to him several times.
In all honesty, I am very suspicious of him.
vote:LimeLemon although I may change it.
You, Lunar_Tick, on the other hand, have been suspicious for a while now.Could you bring some quotes in on this?
You argue against joining bandwagons; in all honesty it seems to me like you're the one starting them, [...]I think I gave the definition of a bandwagon during D2 and clearly stated and implemented measures against them. I cannot be accused of starting a bandwagon D3 because I have not voted yet, nor supported wholeheartedly Budja's justified vote yet.
[...] FOSing everybody under the sun for very little reason.Surely, not a scumtell, even if my FOSs were unjustified. If you wish to clarify the reasons of my FOS's you could easily ask, but you rather seem to be more intent than lynching me and getting on with it rather than actually examining me methodically.
Also, first you FOS me for not trusting you and jumping on the koromi bandwagon.You gave no airtight argument neither for your original opinion on this matter, nor about why you changed opinion. That could be interpreted as scummy.
Then, you FOS me because I finally decided to trust you and voted koromi.
Lunar, you are pathetic.Unnecessary putrefaction.
Have you already forgotten about that lurker thing? Firecat? Kasran? Why note vote on them?It looks like you've got a selective memory LL. You seem to forget the contents of post #228. I have been the only player who has actually brought their inactivity (at least during D3) to the town's attention and have questioned them. They have ignored me, however.
What 'day 2 shenanigans'?Interesting. You made a case against LL earlier in the game, and now you had a change of heart?
LimeLemon seems trustworthy to me. You, Lunar_Tick, on the other hand, have been suspicious for a while now. You argue against joining bandwagons; in all honesty it seems to me like you're the one starting them, FOSing everybody under the sun for very little reason. It seems to me that you don't quite have the town's best interests at heart, and that even if you're on the town's side, you are being rather unhelpful.
I may change it, but: vote:Lunar_Tick
Lunar, you are pathetic. Have you already forgotten about that lurker thing? Firecat? Kasran? Why note vote on them?Because there isn't much evidence saying that they are mafia besides the inactivity.
Inactive player lynched: turns out to be town=Nothing lost, because they weren't helping us anyways.I would have to disagree. It's better than lynching an active player, but remember that the mafia's goal is to be equal to the number of townies- lynching any of our own is a huge problem, active or no.
and that even if you're on the town's side, you are being rather unhelpful.But that's not the same thing- I very much suspect Lunar_Tick is not on our side.
After I found out koromi was mafia, I knew I was screwed, and it wouldn't matter what I had done in the previous day.So you were actually hoping for koromi to not be mafia?
But wait, Lunar is the only one who is 100% against me... Razzor also thinks I'm kinda scum, but Lunar really wants me killed. But both are now blaming Data the most, for protecting me.That is not the reason I voted for Data.
I would guess that is Lunar. He is very aggressive compared to the last round when he was town, he is just using his smart-talk and the trust he gained last round as a mask.Uhu... Read post #128 (http://nifflas.ni2.se/forum/index.php?topic=990.msg11096#msg11096) and post #180 (http://nifflas.ni2.se/forum/index.php?topic=990.msg12986#msg12986) again.
I have already explained why I changed my opinion from defending koromi to voting him multiple times, do I really have to do it again?Your last argument came off as inadequate and I wanted to point that out so it was clear that I expected a better explanation from you. Actually giving one is beside the point.
But wait, Lunar is the only one who is 100% against me... [...] but Lunar really wants me killed.What?
At the moment Dataflashsabot looks more dubious than Limelemon.
Data looks like the prime target for a lynch [...]
Dataflashsabot:|
I would guess that is Lunar. He is very aggressive compared to the last round when he was town, he is just using his smart-talk and the trust he gained last round as a mask.I resent this. :(
You are taking over, starting bandwagons and being exceedingly argumentative. You must realise that that's a little bit suspicious?How is leading an open discussion suspicious? A mafia player would want the exact opposite.
I'm not sure what's happened that makes you believe I am the mafia member.Really? Have you read out posts?
how come you changed your mind about Limelemon?
Because he's less suspicious than before, helpful, and being far more calm and sensible than you are. Thus 'trustworthy'.You think Limelemon is calm? Are you sure about that :P.
I see two possibilities: Lunar_Tick is a very active townie who through no fault of his own is causing even more disrupt and arguments, or he is Mafia/SK. I'm sorry, but the latter seems more likely to me.
@mod: Could you send some prods to the inactive players?^this.
I see two possibilities: Lunar_Tick is a very active townie who through no fault of his own is causing even more disrupt and arguments, or he is Mafia/SK. I'm sorry, but the latter seems more likely to me.The SK is already dead, and lunar voted for koromi way to early to be mafia. Either that, or he is using an extremely weird strategy.
I want to lynch one of these then do a mass claim tomorrow.A good idea, theoretically. In practise though, a lot of the inactives wouldn't turn up, and that would give the mafia an extreme upper hand.
We have other things to do than constantly counter your constant accusations.Like what? He isn't the only one talking, and I don't see why you would get so stressed over a couple of questions. Unless you are mafia of course. Then it makes sense.
Lunar_Tick, I have already summarized them several times, but okay: You accuse, you argue, you do all the things that are expected in a game of Mafia, but you are doing them a lot and often seemingly randomly. There's nothing wrong with being active, but you're constantly switching sides and making accusations for the simplest of things. Ease up a bit and look at things in a calmer manner.Examples please?
The ONLY reason I am not voting is to avoid accidental lynching.How about you vote so we can get a purposeful lynch.
Well played TechnoGeek.I am 100% sure unless the moderator is wrong somehow XD
Vote Limelemon. BURN IN HECK mafioso! (couldn't resist saying it)
however, if that is wrong, yer the prime suspect.
you were so 100% against me all the time.:|