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Title: [Challenge] [Very Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: yohji on April 09, 2010, 21:18:16

This is my entry to SecretGlitch's competition (http://nifflas.lpchip.nl/index.php?topic=1992.120), where you have to submit a challenge level that cannot be wider than 2 screens. Mine is actually 1 screen wide. There are two endings.

http://jashiin.com/miscellany/Yohji%20-%20Middle%20of%20Nowhere.knytt.bin

The level is treacherous in many ways. Here are a couple of things that don't spoil much but make your life a bit easier:

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Be careful with savepoints. More precisely - here comes a real spoiler -

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

some are not meant to be used, some come with traps.

Also, one of the endings becomes inaccessible once you perform a certain action. More precisely - again, this is a real spoiler -

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

it is the most obvious thing to do after you get the key.

I was going to fix that, but like I said, the level feels very treacherous already, so I thought it wouldn't hurt to hide the second ending really well.

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: Purple Pineapple on April 09, 2010, 22:59:20

Quote from: yohji on April 09, 2010, 21:18:16

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

some are not meant to be used, some come with traps.

I is not playing this level. <_<

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: yohji on April 09, 2010, 23:01:34

Quote from: Purple Pineapple on April 09, 2010, 22:59:20

Quote from: yohji on April 09, 2010, 21:18:16

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

some are not meant to be used, some come with traps.

I is not playing this level. <_<

I'm sorry to hear that. It's not like

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

you use a savepoint and then realize you have to start the level over

though, if you thought that is the case.

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: Purple Pineapple on April 09, 2010, 23:02:49

Quote from: yohji on April 09, 2010, 23:01:34

Quote from: Purple Pineapple on April 09, 2010, 22:59:20

Quote from: yohji on April 09, 2010, 21:18:16

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

some are not meant to be used, some come with traps.

I is not playing this level. <_<

I'm sorry to hear that. It's not like

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

you use a savepoint and then realize you have to start the level over

, though, if you thought that is the case.

Then I will plays this level. C)

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: yohji on April 09, 2010, 23:07:18

Quote from: Purple Pineapple on April 09, 2010, 23:02:49

Quote from: yohji on April 09, 2010, 23:01:34

Quote from: Purple Pineapple on April 09, 2010, 22:59:20

Quote from: yohji on April 09, 2010, 21:18:16

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

some are not meant to be used, some come with traps.

I is not playing this level. <_<

I'm sorry to hear that. It's not like

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

you use a savepoint and then realize you have to start the level over

, though, if you thought that is the case.

Then I will plays this level. C)

 C)p

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: Purple Pineapple on April 09, 2010, 23:39:27

Bah. Still kinda luck based. And I'd say the difficulty is closer to very hard.

P.S. You can void in the very beginning by sliding down the wall past the spring.

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: yohji on April 09, 2010, 23:48:33

Quote from: Purple Pineapple on April 09, 2010, 23:39:27

Bah. Still kinda luck based. And I'd say the difficulty is closer to very hard.

Eh. I guess I better give up on challenges then; I put a lot of work into these and I guess I just can't make something not luck-based...

Quote from: Purple Pineapple on April 09, 2010, 23:39:27

P.S. You can void in the very beginning by sliding down the wall past the spring.

What. I can't believe this. Checked this right now... So springs only work with slides if you slide fast on them?! Seriously, giving up on challenges from this very moment. Ridiculous.

Anyway, thanks for playing, and I'll change the difficulty setting to very hard since I trust your KS skills  :)

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Very Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: yohji on April 18, 2010, 12:50:17

Here are a few more screenshots, provided chiefly for LoCP members and simply people who don't want to go through a treacherous, very hard level. I just thought some of you might enjoy the abstract stuff :crazy:

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

(http://www.jashiin.com/miscellany/temp/mof-screen1.png)

(http://www.jashiin.com/miscellany/temp/mof-screen2.png)

(http://www.jashiin.com/miscellany/temp/mof-screen3.png)

(http://www.jashiin.com/miscellany/temp/mof-screen4.png)

(http://www.jashiin.com/miscellany/temp/mof-screen5.png)

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Very Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: Purple Pineapple on April 18, 2010, 17:36:10

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

(http://www.jashiin.com/miscellany/temp/mof-screen5.png) Hide the spikes, lol.

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Very Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: yohji on April 18, 2010, 17:43:22

Quote from: Purple Pineapple on April 18, 2010, 17:36:10

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

(http://www.jashiin.com/miscellany/temp/mof-screen5.png) Hide the spikes, lol.

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Huh? I can't see the spikes on the screenshot.

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Very Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: Purple Pineapple on April 18, 2010, 17:46:00

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

That's what I find amusing. As in Smart idea to hide the spikes, not there are spikes. Go hide them.

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Very Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: yohji on April 18, 2010, 17:47:55

Quote from: Purple Pineapple on April 18, 2010, 17:46:00

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

That's what I find amusing. As in Smart idea to hide the spikes, not there are spikes. Go hide them.

Ah... Sorry, I'm being slow these days  C)p

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Very Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: Purple Pineapple on April 18, 2010, 17:51:59

Strange, isn't it, that we're the only two people posting in this thread.

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Very Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: yohji on April 18, 2010, 17:57:00

Eh, my levels usually don't get too much feedback, so... Besides, this is a hard level, and I guess most people enjoy slightly less hard challenges. Also, maybe I alienated some people with the opening blurb on how stuff is treacherous etc.

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Very Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: farik on April 18, 2010, 18:29:39

too hard for this guy :whoa:

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Very Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: yohji on April 18, 2010, 18:31:38

Quote from: farik on April 18, 2010, 18:29:39

too hard for this guy :whoa:

Which screen(s)? Maybe I can release a lighter version or something...

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Very Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: Headgrinder on April 21, 2010, 02:33:23

Yikes.  I can't get by the first freekin screen.  Music good, tileset interesting, just can't get anywhere.   :/

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Very Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: yohji on April 21, 2010, 10:35:53

Quote from: Headgrinder on April 21, 2010, 02:33:23

Yikes.  I can't get by the first freekin screen.  Music good, tileset interesting, just can't get anywhere.   :/

Eh, I don't know if I should be happy or sad that I made a very hard level  O_o Anyway, if the problem is "what do I do", then it's pretty straightforward, or at least I think it is :/

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Once the level starts, push left to start climbing the vertical wire. That's the safest way to get away from the spring and the spikes. Then press right to get to the last tile before water starts. Now you need to jump and climb to the ledge above you, the one guarded by a wall-climbing creature. You do that by jumping and holding on to (=climbing) the edge of the ledge, then carefully going up (hold A maybe) until Juni stands on it, then don't move. That way, the creature doesn't hurt you. Now that you're standing there, you'll notice a little dent sort of thing on the right, protruding from the ceiling, that's what you need to grab. Jump, then double jump at the right time and turn to climb it. Perform the same jump-doublejump-hold thing again to get to the exit from this screen, which is a bit further to the right.

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Very Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: Headgrinder on April 22, 2010, 13:58:37

For me, the problem is simply that I lack sufficient hand eye coordination.   :sick:  Hence why I is in the LoCP.

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Very Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: Widget on December 13, 2010, 15:20:17

Sorry if I shouldn't have resurrected this thread but I've started playing your VH level since you linked to it in a more recent thread and just wanted to say that I'm really enjoying it so far. I'm only a short way in (I think..) but it's pretty perfectly pitched just beyond my ability; that is, I'm making very slow progress but finding it very satisfying.

There's only been one spot I initially thought was a bit luck-based but after a few-dozen attempts I could clear it almost every time, so that was a mistaken perception in the end  :^^:

Anyway, just wanted to let you know and thank you for the level. It's a really polished little gem I missed first-time round.

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Very Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: yohji on December 13, 2010, 22:51:33

Well, thank you again :) Maybe a few more people will play it now that the thread is ressurected...  X)

Title: Re: [Challenge] [Very Hard] Middle of Nowhere (compo entry)
Post by: Strange Darkness on December 24, 2010, 07:03:03

Ah Yohji!
I love your levels, puzzles they are!
anyway enough of the riddle talk, downloading.....