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Released Games => Saira => Topic started by: Teper on December 11, 2009, 22:33:09

Title: Saira working on Mac with Parallels Desktop?
Post by: Teper on December 11, 2009, 22:33:09

I'm very enthousiastic for buying Saira when it's released, but as I have a mac, do you know if this will work on Parallels Desktop? I've long been playing KS on it, it works perfectly well, but tha majority of pc games won't work on it.

Thanks for response  :)

Title: Re: Saira working on Mac with Parallels Desktop?
Post by: Looki on December 11, 2009, 22:35:32

Saira, unlike Knytt Stories, runs on Direct3D, which is used for hardware-accelerated graphics. Pretty much every Windows 3D game uses it (others use OpenGL). You'll need to check if Parallels Desktop supports it.

Title: Re: Saira working on Mac with Parallels Desktop?
Post by: J on December 11, 2009, 22:57:05

You can always download the demo and try. If the demo runs, the full game will too. :)

Be sure to let us know in case someone else wants to know too!

Title: Re: Saira working on Mac with Parallels Desktop?
Post by: Teper on December 12, 2009, 00:01:22

Quote from: J on December 11, 2009, 22:57:05

You can always download the demo and try. If the demo runs, the full game will too. :)

Be sure to let us know in case someone else wants to know too!

Ah, there will be a demo. Thanks :), I'll check this out. I hope it works.

Title: Re: Saira working on Mac with Parallels Desktop?
Post by: LPChip on December 12, 2009, 13:49:18

There will be a demo? There already is. :)

Title: Re: Saira working on Mac with Parallels Desktop?
Post by: LightningEagle on December 13, 2009, 21:50:21

Anyone who've tried this on Mac? 'Cause I'd like to know if I have any reason to buy Saira to my friend as a Christmas present.  :)

And since he doesn't have access to a working PC I need to know if it'll run on his Mac.

Title: Re: Saira working on Mac with Parallels Desktop?
Post by: PONTO on December 13, 2009, 22:06:51

I don't think it would be wise of you to buy him the game without having him test it first on his computer. :S

Title: Re: Saira working on Mac with Parallels Desktop?
Post by: LightningEagle on December 13, 2009, 22:31:27

Quote from: PONTO on December 13, 2009, 22:06:51

I don't think it would be wise of you to buy him the game without having him test it first on his computer. :S

I guess, but it would kinda ruin the surprise...  :/

Title: Re: Saira working on Mac with Parallels Desktop?
Post by: Nifflas on December 13, 2009, 22:33:17

I can't try as I don't have Mac, but if anyone does please let us know! :)

Title: Re: Saira working on Mac with Parallels Desktop?
Post by: J on December 14, 2009, 14:33:01

Teper! Report back! C)

Title: Re: Saira working on Mac with Parallels Desktop?
Post by: oebchen on December 14, 2009, 17:01:43

It doesn't run on my Mac, although I should say that the only emulator I've got is Darwine. Does your friend have Parallels Desktop, LightningEagle? Maybe it will run with that (Teper?), but with Darwine alone it doesn't.

Title: Re: Saira working on Mac with Parallels Desktop?
Post by: LightningEagle on December 14, 2009, 17:03:05

I dropped the idea, as he appeared to be very much against the idea of installing parallels desktop.  :/

Title: Re: Saira working on Mac with Parallels Desktop?
Post by: oebchen on December 14, 2009, 17:28:53

Oh, what a pity... But I think Parallels Desktop is quite expensive, too, especially since I don't know how many more programmes run with it than with Darwine; to conclude, I personally had to play the demo on my boyfriend's Vista PC. I hope you'll find another nice gift idea! :)

Title: Re: Saira working on Mac with Parallels Desktop?
Post by: LPChip on December 16, 2009, 15:43:26

I've splitted all the offtopicness out of this topic. Please stay on topic.

Title: Re: Saira working on Mac with Parallels Desktop?
Post by: oebchen on December 16, 2009, 18:04:37

Okay, to elaborate a little on Darwine (because Smeagle asked about it) I'll quote what I wrote in the split-off part of the thread:

Quote from: oebchen link=topic=2365.msg26359#msg26359

Quote from: smeagle on December 16, 2009, 01:05:06

cant you just use WINE?

The Mac distribution of Wine is called Darwine, and I usually use it to run Windows applications - however, there are many programmes that won't work, at least not on my computer (OS X 10.5.8, 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM) with my version of Darwine (1.1.19), if that makes any difference at all.

Typical errors are the following: sometimes dll or mfx files are missing, sometimes it is not able to display the interface correctly, or some functions are missing, like the fullscreen function in KS, or "unexpected errors" happen which shut down the whole application. Saira is one of those games that won't work. I could retry it to see what kind of error there is, if you are interested - I'd just have to download the demo again, but I'll get back to you.

I have now redownloaded Saira and tried, and the Wine log says the following:

Spoiler: long code (click to show/hide)

fixme:d3d:IWineD3DImpl_FillGLCaps OpenGL implementation supports 16 vertex samplers and 16 total samplers
fixme:d3d:IWineD3DImpl_FillGLCaps Expected vertex samplers + MAX_TEXTURES(=8) > combined_samplers
wine: Unhandled page fault on execute access to 0x00000000 at address 0x0 (thread 0009), starting debugger...
`0††˜dUnhandled exception: page fault on execute access to 0x00000000 in 32-bit code (0x00000000).
Register dump:
 CS:0017 SS:001f DS:001f ES:001f FS:1007 GS:0037
 EIP:00000000 ESP:0032eeac EBP:0032f6e8 EFLAGS:00010202(   - 00      - -RI1)
 EAX:0032f07c EBX:627df14b ECX:00000001 EDX:00000000
 ESI:72b1ca3f EDI:0032ef6b
Stack dump:
0x0032eeac:  627ea842 00008804 000088b5 0032f07c
0x0032eebc:  628ad6b0 00000010 00000010 0032ef18
0x0032eecc:  60142000 602e0c1f 00360060 60142000
0x0032eedc:  0000001f 00000063 92202ac8 000aef38
0x0032eeec:  903f51cd 00000036 000010de 00000006
0x0032eefc:  00000004 00000008 92202ac8 00000010
0200: sel=1007 base=7ffc0000 limit=00000fff 32-bit rw-
Backtrace:
=>0 0x00000000 (0x0032f6e8)
  1 0x627f988c (0x0032fbe8)
  2 0x6289c686 (0x0032fc48)
  3 0x6274bc30 (0x0032fca8)
  4 0x00dea0d7 in mmf2d3d9 (+0xa0d7) (0x1004ed34)
  5 0x00000000 (0x1004eca0)
  6 0x00000000 (0x100476b0)
  7 0x10042dd0 398() in mmfs2 (0x10038eb0)
0x00000000: -- no code accessible --
Modules:
Module   Address         Debug info   Name (37 modules)
PE     330000-  349000   Deferred        binaryarray.mfx
PE     390000-  399000   Deferred        nifflas.mfx
PE     3a0000-  3db000   Deferred        ini++.mfx
PE     3e0000-  3e8000   Deferred        stringtokenizer.mfx
PE     3f0000-  3fa000   Deferred        speechbubble.mfx
PE     400000-  462000   Deferred        saira
PE     b10000-  b35000   Deferred        animpicture.mfx
PE     c50000-  c93000   Deferred        chipx.mfx
PE     db0000-  db7000   Deferred        keyboard.mfx
PE     dc0000-  dd3000   Deferred        quickhash.mfx
PE     de0000-  ee6000   Export          mmf2d3d9
PE   10000000-10053000   Export          mmfs2
PE   10c00000-10c09000   Deferred        kcfile.mfx
PE   11000000-11008000   Deferred        kclist.mfx
PE   12600000-12608000   Deferred        kcpica.mfx
PE   12f00000-12f0b000   Deferred        layer.mfx
PE   13300000-13309000   Deferred        capture.mfx
PE   60170000-60174000   Deferred        advapi32
PE   60410000-60425000   Deferred        user32
PE   605a0000-605a4000   Deferred        gdi32
PE   60680000-606ef000   Deferred        comdlg32
PE   60750000-60757000   Deferred        shlwapi
PE   619d0000-61ac0000   Deferred        shell32
PE   61ba0000-61bb3000   Deferred        comctl32
PE   61ca0000-61ca6000   Deferred        winspool
PE   61ce0000-61d2d000   Deferred        winmm
PE   61d90000-61d94000   Deferred        msvcrt
PE   621d0000-621d4000   Deferred        ole32
PE   62320000-62324000   Deferred        rpcrt4
PE   625f0000-625f4000   Deferred        ddraw
PE   62670000-62674000   Deferred        dsound
PE   626d0000-626d4000   Deferred        ws2_32
PE   62710000-62714000   Deferred        version
PE   62740000-62744000   Deferred        d3d9
PE   780c0000-78121000   Deferred        msvcp60
PE   7b810000-7b889000   Deferred        kernel32
PE   7bc10000-7bc14000   Deferred        ntdll
Threads:
process  tid      prio (all id:s are in hex)
00000008 (D) Z:\Users\xxxxxxxxxxxx\Downloads\Saira\Saira.exe
   00000017    0
   00000009    0 <==
0000000c
   00000014    0
   00000013    0
   00000012    0
   0000000e    0
   0000000d    0
0000000f
   00000016    0
   00000015    0
   00000011    0
   00000010    0
00000018
   00000019    0
Backtrace:
=>0 0x00000000 (0x0032f6e8)
  1 0x627f988c (0x0032fbe8)
  2 0x6289c686 (0x0032fc48)
  3 0x6274bc30 (0x0032fca8)
  4 0x00dea0d7 in mmf2d3d9 (+0xa0d7) (0x1004ed34)
  5 0x00000000 (0x1004eca0)
  6 0x00000000 (0x100476b0)
  7 0x10042dd0 398() in mmfs2 (0x10038eb0)

I'm not sure what all of this means (I suppose a lot of required files are missing?), but maybe there might be someone here who knows and could help so we could find a way to solve this problem and get it to run on Darwine after all, in order not to depend on Parallels Desktop? You'd be of great help and get a cookie of some sort! ;)

Title: Re: Saira working on Mac with Parallels Desktop?
Post by: Teper on December 30, 2009, 01:37:32

Hey, back there. I tried it, I've got the sound but no image. That's perhaps because I only have Parallels desktop 2.2. It seems the virtual graphic card can't aford it. If anybody got a solution...

To oebchen: I dunno, thats to complicated for me, I use a mac exactly to avoid having to deal with such codes ;). Thanks for help anyway :D!