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Temporary => Knytt Stories Level Releases => Topic started by: SecretGlitch on March 21, 2010, 03:57:24

Title: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: SecretGlitch on March 21, 2010, 03:57:24

An old factory has started up again, polluting the air. The neighboring knytt village sends Juni to investigate, but can she stop it?

This little level was started for the (what I assume is) defunct contest topic. It's focused mostly on gameplay, and sports 2 endings to it.

Download:
http://knyttlevels.com/levels/SecretGlitch%20-%20Industrial%20Trap.knytt.bin (http://knyttlevels.com/levels/SecretGlitch%20-%20Industrial%20Trap.knytt.bin)

I got longer projects I could have been working on but it's nice to make a decent short one too.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: LB on March 21, 2010, 04:21:24

In the second ending, you put the grass on layer 3... other than that the level was very fun to play through. Also very difficult for me. Nice work.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: Salmoneous on March 21, 2010, 11:26:15

insane level. Right now at climb powerup. Each challange is fun because it takes some time to figure out how to do them and they are all different. Certainly among the best ks challange levels.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: Purple Pineapple on March 21, 2010, 19:22:19

Gah. The challenge with the yellow key and orange blocks is easy enough once you figure it out until you have to get past the green wall-runner.

Edit: Beat it. The last challenge was so incredibly similar to one I made for a lunatic level I never released that I did it on my third try.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: yohji on March 22, 2010, 11:44:17

Beautifully designed gameplay-wise and otherwise-wise (tm). Very interesting challenges. Too bad it's too difficult for me O_o

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: Pick Yer Poison on March 23, 2010, 00:23:44

Oh dear god this is one of the hardest levels I have ever played. I'm not ashamed to admit that I had to cheat on nearly every screen just to finish this.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: SecretGlitch on March 23, 2010, 00:44:41

Quote from: Pick Yer Poison on March 23, 2010, 00:23:44

Oh dear god this is one of the hardest levels I have ever played. I'm not ashamed to admit that I had to cheat on nearly every screen just to finish this.

I'll agree that this is one of the Very Very Hard levels. But, IMO, not really unfair enough to be Lunatic

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

until you get to dark mode.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: Pick Yer Poison on March 23, 2010, 17:32:44

Quote from: SecretGlitch on March 23, 2010, 00:44:41

I'll agree that this is one of the Very Very Hard levels. But, IMO, not really unfair enough to be Lunatic

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

until you get to dark mode.

Given that the difficulty levels are Easy, Normal, Hard, Very Hard, Lunatic, I'd think Very Very Hard would be another name for Lunatic. But that's just me. X)

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

And wait, dark mode? Whuzzat? O.o

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: yohji on March 23, 2010, 20:46:32

Quote from: Pick Yer Poison on March 23, 2010, 17:32:44

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

And wait, dark mode? Whuzzat? O.o

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

It's a secret sort of area that leads to the secret ending.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: SecretGlitch on March 23, 2010, 22:33:25

Quote from: Pick Yer Poison on March 23, 2010, 17:32:44

Given that the difficulty levels are Easy, Normal, Hard, Very Hard, Lunatic, I'd think Very Very Hard would be another name for Lunatic. But that's just me. X)

I've already made up Very Lunatic, so why not Very Very Hard? :crazy:

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: Purple Pineapple on March 24, 2010, 00:35:30

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Dark mode? :nuts:
Let's get one thing straight: I play for difficulty, not for exploration. Tell me where the secret is or else!

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: SecretGlitch on March 24, 2010, 00:59:41

Quote from: Purple Pineapple on March 24, 2010, 00:35:30

Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

Dark mode? :nuts:
Let's get one thing straight: I play for difficulty, not for exploration. Tell me where the secret is or else!

Spoiler: Hint (click to show/hide)

I actually show off the location of where the switch to dark mode is in the normal ending.

Spoiler: Forget that, tell me where it is NOW! (click to show/hide)

As soon as you grab the high jump power up, back track to the gray room. Stand on the higher platform sticking out of the water, and double jump up into the wall to the right. There's a little ledge there, and when you climb up you reach the switch to dark mode.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: GrayFace on March 26, 2010, 13:05:58

Quote from: SecretGlitch on March 23, 2010, 00:44:41

I'll agree that this is one of the Very Very Hard levels. But, IMO, not really unfair enough to be Lunatic

I'd certainly call it Lunatic. IMO Very Hard should be more like Dark Sea - with more challenges in a raw, but with easier challenges.
I hope you aren't planning to do Very Very Lunatic levels :D

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: SecretGlitch on March 26, 2010, 20:07:35

Quote from: GrayFace on March 26, 2010, 13:05:58

I hope you aren't planning to do Very Very Lunatic levels :D

I think the difficulty of Very Very Lunatic would be more accurately portrayed as Literally Impossible. And no, I don't plan on making any (nor Very Lunatic anymore, unless someone really really wanted me to for some reason).

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: egomassive on March 26, 2010, 21:55:03

This level contains some of the best puzzle challenges I've seen in Knytt Stories. It looks great too.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: Purple Pineapple on March 27, 2010, 01:01:45

How to make a very^C lunatic* level: Find an enemy that goes either left or right randomly upon entering the screen. Create a screen so that if they go left you die, and if they go right, you pass through. Copy-pasta 100 of those screens in a row: (http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3761/veriverilunatic.png) (http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3761/veriverilunatic.png)

*where C is a constant

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: SecretGlitch on March 27, 2010, 01:58:33

Quote from: Purple Pineapple on March 27, 2010, 01:01:45

How to make a very^C lunatic* level: Find an enemy that goes either left or right randomly upon entering the screen. Create a screen so that if they go left you die, and if they go right, you pass through. Copy-pasta 100 of those screens in a row: (http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3761/veriverilunatic.png) (http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3761/veriverilunatic.png)

*where C is a constant

Only a 1 in 1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,376 chance of beating that.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: Purple Pineapple on March 27, 2010, 02:59:01

Let's see now. The average person can tackle a hard screen in 10 tries? Perhaps an easy one in 1. That means *10 every two levels of difficult increased. By that logic, [Level of difficulty] = [Easy][Harder]^{2log₁₀[# of attempts/screen]}

So, 10 tries = easy * harder * harder = hard
1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,376, or 2¹⁰⁰, tries would be:

[Easy][Harder]2log10(2100).	= [Easy][Harder]200log10(2)
	= [Easy][Harder]200log10(2) - 4 + 4
	= [Easy][Harder]4[Harder]200log10(2) - 4
	= [Lunatic][Harder]200log10(2) - 4
	= [Very]200log10(2) - 4[Lunatic]

So.. anyone wanna whip out their calculator and find out what 200log₁₀(2) - 4 is?

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: SecretGlitch on March 27, 2010, 03:07:00

About 56.206.

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: Purple Pineapple on March 27, 2010, 07:51:06

So approximately very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very lunatic.
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Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: PeppyHare4000 on April 23, 2010, 04:15:34

Secret Glitch, I would like you to make a Safety 3 :shifty: :shifty: :shifty:

Title: Re: [Challenge/Puzzle][Very Hard] Industrial Trap
Post by: SecretGlitch on April 24, 2010, 02:01:30

Quote from: PeppyHare4000 on April 23, 2010, 04:15:34

Secret Glitch, I would like you to make a Safety 3 :shifty: :shifty: :shifty:

Currently you are the only one.