Nifflas' Support Forum
General => About Nifflas' Website and Forum => Topic started by: EarthBound015 on June 19, 2009, 22:39:33
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I think, for everyone's sake. The changes made to the forum concerning "misspelled words" needs to be lifted. This is stupid and not funny, it is annoying, and when you can not understand some posts because of it, it makes a problem.
Sure some people forget to space OF and COURSE sometimes, sometimes people don't space AT and LEAST, but is this a crime? I mean come on, sure, you had fun with it last night, but you should have reversed everything back to normal by now. We cant even write the acronym for laugh out loud with out it being changed to SPR?NKELD?NKEL.
But hey, if anything we can just make the Niff Forum into an even bigger joke, just go and replace Knytt and WaDF and other Niff names to something else, who cares any ways right? Not the people trying to read posts seriously, no, not them OFCOURSE.
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There's no reason to remove these. It doesn't totally replace such typos: the correct spelling is in parentheses after the joke word. Meaning will not be hindered.
As for replacing "lol", you never need to use this acronym. Just use a smiley, srsly.
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LOL, the Goog is funny. I guess we are just not allowed to use LOL because it needs to be censored. Maybe I dont want to express myself in a smiley, maybe I want to express myself in LOL. But I guess I dont have the right to this here at this forum anymore. I guess we have lost the right to misspell words also. Hmm, that is too bad, *snaps fingers*
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You know, some forums will give you a ban for excessive misspelling. I think this is a relatively laid back way of slowing the further butchering of the English language.
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No really. You can still say "I'm laughing" or "rofl" or "lulz" or whatever. Replacing an overused acronym (with many substitutes available) with a nonce word does not significantly limit freedom of speech.
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I dont think those forums change the words to something random. Fine, ban someone for saying OFCOURSE and POTATO (at least), but dont change what they wrote unless you are fixing it, they could have as easily used OF COURSE instead of BANANA or whatever they used, then BAM, fixed, but nope, random words to make it cryptic.
LOL, there is the Goog with a witty retort! But alas, good sir, it doesn't help. I'm pretty sure new users would have NO CLUE what any of that meant, "Oh, I went to the store yesterday and found a mouse, SPRÜNKELDÜNKEL."
Yep, that seems like you are fixing a lot of nothing m'friend!
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I think this is a lovely way to show that you don't have anything better to do. Replacing words for fun. So instead of doing something constructive to the forum, they instead made it a joke. I don't like jokes. This forum has been getting worse and worse, ever since the crash, and it's already set in stone that it won't get better.
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Of course the term is overused, but people use my name every day, does that mean I should change it to SPRÜNKELDÜNKEL?
EDIT: Better yet, why not change the word "the" That word is used WAAAAY too much...
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"The" has no reasonable substitutes.
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"the" has already been changed to "teh"
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Sure it does, Goog, just use "stupid". I think that works perfect, oh hell, how about "DIDDLYDOOODAHDAYHAYEBBBBBBERRRRRR"?
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EB, I don't think the changes are necessarily cryptic, but more sardonic :P Also, I believe "lol" is replaced because, as with other of the censored words, it has a rather unintelligent connotation.
BloxMaster, that is part of why I find the changes so amusing 9_9 The other part would probably be the headaches I get from seeing frequent misspellings and use of "lol" :/
Invader Dib, "SPRÜNKELDÜNKEL", in my opinion conveys the feeling which "lol" is meant to convey, but through amusing looks and sounds rather than through expansion and interpretation of an acronym.
Evil, 9_9
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Sure it does, Goog, just use "stupid". I think that works perfect, oh hell, how about "DIDDLYDOOODAHDAYHAYEBBBBBBERRRRRR"?
No. Reductio ad absurdum doesn't go anywhere. The loss of the use of the word "lol" is simply not comparable to the loss of the use of the word "the".
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EB, I don't think STUPID changes are necessarily cryptic, but more sardonic :P Also, I believe "SPR?NKELD?NKEL" is replaced because, as with other of STUPID censored words, it has a rather unintelligent connotation.
Who knows, replacing "the" with "stupid" might work out.
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Evil, it completely changes the meaning. The other changes Paula made preserve meaning.
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And I believe that the changes are unnecessary, so what if people get annoyed from looking at misspellings, it happens, and you will never get away from because we are not perfect, everybody makes mistakes and yes, we have a "spell check" but that doesn't mean it would get used every time even if we did try to use it every time, sometimes people are in a hurry and need to say something quick, therefore, type it up and off they go. There is no reason to change things like this, it does nothing, you still know a word was misspelled, you still know WHICH word it was, at least you guys do, not everybody else. So how does this fix how YOU guys feel, it doesn't, how does it fix what was said, it doesn't, how does it fix anything, it just plain doesn't.
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But, as BloxMaster pointed out, the forum pop is rather impossible to fix at this point. I would rather have fun with it while I can. :D
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Well, I guess Niff Forum is just a joke then. Screw it, right? Who cares if this was supposed to be a forum for Nifflas' works and help with them? This is just one of them *knee slappers* isn't it?
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Indeed, it was quite good a while ago, but it's deteriorated quite a bit after the release of Knytt Stories, which I assume is due to the influx of newer members and the effect that had on administration and existing members.
EDIT: Of course, I do not mean to say all of the newer members are bad, at all. I simply mean that with such a community-oriented game being released, changes were necessary, and some of them, or the lack thereof, may have adversely effected the forum.
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LOL, I wonder what changes you could mean by that m'friend, Monkey? But anyways, I still dont understand why it was changed in the first place, "Meh, I'm bored, let us screw up the Niff Forum a little bit." "Ummmm.....Okay!"
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It could have also had to do with some of the members which had joined at the very beginning, and earned a deal of respect from the community, leaving, and thus breaking various forum resources, et cetera. Then again, I am only hypothesizing. I wasn't expecting any of this to happen, at all, from the beginning, so I never bothered to take any notes on what could have caused it to end up in this state :P
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Huh? What happened? You can't even say "l o l" here anymore? That makes no sense! It seems like the mods do whatever THEY want to the forum without thinking of any of the members. I barely even care if I get banned for this, not that I'm asking you to ban me or anything. L o l may not be intelligent, but it can be used to make a joke. I would leave this forum, but KS is too much fun for me to abandon a place where you can talk about it. Still the forum is getting worse, and whenever someone suggests how to make it better, the mods insist that it's perfect already.
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Come on guys... its just a joke!
Geez, can't we even have a little bit of fun around here?
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9_9 I think the joke is over, and no, I don't think it was a joke in the first place. It was people trying to be witty. If it was indeed just a joke, wouldn't things be back to normal by now, especially with a topic like this one coming up? Instead of that I get stuff like,
There's no reason to remove these. It doesn't totally replace such typos: the correct spelling is in parentheses after the joke word. Meaning will not be hindered.
As for replacing "lol", you never need to use this acronym. Just use a smiley, srsly.
And this from a mod, not just from a "normal everyday forum user". I don't NEED to use said acronym, but everybody uses it. I think it should be fixed in general, the jokes over, AHHAHAHAHA, we all had our laughs. Or at least everybody who thought it was funny, who the hell knows, it could have been a lot more people that think it is funny than not funny, but it is in no way constructive.
Also, you should spell out seriously, Goog, you never need to use "srsly".
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I'd like to point out that if you just look around at the various topics, there are very few posts that have even been changed at all.
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If it was a joke, you should have saved it for April fool's day. Then everyone would have gotten it. But it makes no sense to force changes to words at a random time.
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If it was a joke, you should have saved it for April fool's day. Then everyone would have gotten it. But it makes no sense to force changes to words at a random time.
I think he just couldnt handle it anymore, so he broke.
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I kinda agree with Dandelion.
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Evil, that implies Miss Paula is male 9_9
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I don't NEED to use said acronym, but everybody uses it. I think it should be fixed in general, the jokes over, AHHAHAHAHA, we all had our laughs. Or at least everybody who thought it was funny, who the hell knows, it could have been a lot more people that think it is funny than not funny, but it is in no way constructive.
Why are you so upset? Especially when in the past you've made posts like
I think that this is done and over with, a petition will do not a thing. NG is coming out on Wii-ware only, like it or not. Cussing and fussing is only going to make matters worse, blaming things on this company and that company does nothing either. Sure, it sucks, but leave it be. Nifflas has expressed how he feels and that is that. Is this Nifflas' fault, no. Is this Nicalis' fault, no. Business is business, and that is how things work.
That is, posts discouraging complaint as a way of inciting change.
This really is very insignificant. No posts will become garbled by this. lol could even become this forum's in-joke replacement for lol.
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Evil, that implies Miss Paula is male 9_9
Isnt she a female?
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Hmm, well from past experience, I have learned that too much popularity has a horrible effect on forums. Before I became such an active member of this forum, I was administrating a forum for a Flash, Super Mario game with it's own level editor. Now when I originally joined said forum, it was quiet, peacefully, and a rather easy going forum. If I remember the conversation I had with the mods about banning correctly, their was only two people on the ban list. Now the creator of the game was french, and his understanding of the English language was adequate, but not fluent enough for a full understanding. As time passed, my overall attitude, personality, work ethics, and other things got me different staff positions, eventually leading up to Global Mod. Now, as time past, and more sites discovered Super Mario Flash, the forum became more popular. Overtime, it was realized that the forum was way too busy for Pouetpu to handle, even though he rarely handled anything himself in the first place, because he was never online. Roughly a year after I joined that forum (I had been a member here since about May), I, along with another user named Landon, became Admins. Things were fine for awhile, and we kept it under control, but the forum was getting bigger, the ban list had got progressively bigger, and Landon was running out of patience for the constant waves of new users. He then began making decisions on his own without talking with Pouetpu, or I, and before it was all over, he ended up flipping out on some people, and quit the forum. This left me by myself to do all the work, and even though I could handle, it was impossible for all the mods and I to control the sections such as "General Chat" and "Questions" even before Landon left, but we couldn't delete them because Pouetpu wanted them. The Level Portals eventually became flooded with useless, spam levels. Certain trouble making members would receive a ban, find a different IP, and sign up again and do the same stuff. The maturity level dropped with the rapid increase of members, which was somewhere over 5300. Well one day Pouetpu decided we was going to create his own level Portal and bought server space. He created the site, but it was extremely flawed, and had many errors, such as the ability to rate your own levels, Rate your own levels as Guests, etc. because there were no IP checks involved, and your dealing with a partially younger, less mature crowd. Well almost all the more mature users didn't like the new portal, and even some of the less mature didn't like how things worked. They tried to warn Pouetpu of his mistake and tried to give suggestions on how to fix them. He ignored them. Then the mods did the same. He ignored them. Before it was all said and done, I, myself, stepped up, and told Pouetpu that the mistakes he was making was going to cost him his forum, but he didn't care at all. All he was thinking about was his website, not his... whats the word... followers, if you will. The more I tried to get through to him that the forum members were growing to hate him, the more fed up he got with me. One morning I wake up, and I had been demoted to a regular mod. I wasn't angry, just disappointed, because I knew exactly what was going to happen. He claimed he was completely removing levels from the forum, and that he was going to run the forum himself. I'll give you an except directly from his Level Portal site,
I have restarted to work on my other game which, i repeat, has nothing related to Mario. My priority is to finish it as soon as possible, pouetpu-games need more games XD. But, that's not mean that i will stop working on the site. I will continue adjust things and add features. For example, i plan to add a feature in the level portal that allow users to make a list of their favorite levels makers in their profile. You may have noticed that i removed the forum link, im not sure what i will do with the forum, i have no time to administrate it right now. So the forum is on stand-by...
By Pouetpu 04/12/2009 04:50 am
(http://www.pouetpu-games.com/index.php)
The forum still stand non-existent, and almost all the members his site has are members I have never heard of. For Pouetpu to take away the forum like he did was a very irrational thing to do, because most of the active users there had been there for a extremely long time, and everyone had become friends. When he took the forum away it severed a lot of ties, and most lost communication. Some members, however, regrouped on a separate forum that somewhat mirrored the old forum when it was in it's glory, and is doing rather good. I was a Admin there too, along with Glitchblaster555, and Gaurd, and before I kinda lost contact due to this forum, and everyday life, it reminded me of the "good ol' days", so to speak.
I'm basically making two points with that extremely long story,
#1. Popularity and increased activity somewhat degrade the quality of a forum, no matter what you do. If you simply look at GameFAQ's forum, that ridiculous amount of users makes talking about anything in a cat area near impossible.
and,
#2. The forum itself relies on it's members. The members can survive on their own without the forum, but that statement isn't true the other way around. To have a happy forum, you need happy members, and to have happy members you need to listen to them. Now there is a difference between having a few stubborn users that don't accept change very well, and having a problem that everyone on the outside looking in can see. Though it may seem like a change for the better, sometimes... the change is more costly then what we had to start with.
(You'll have to bare with me, Most of my motivation for typing this came from this comment,
Indeed, it was quite good a while ago, but it's deteriorated quite a bit after the release of Knytt Stories, which I assume is due to the influx of newer members and the effect that had on administration and existing members.
EDIT: Of course, I do not mean to say all of the newer members are bad, at all. I simply mean that with such a community-oriented game being released, changes were necessary, and some of them, or the lack thereof, may have adversely effected the forum.
but between cooking and typing this, 10 messages have been posted. "sprkuneldunel" or however you type it.)
(Scratch that, 12 now. X))
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sprunkeldunkel just dont cut it for me
"This is such a sprunkeldunkel thread."
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Am I petitioning? And this here, this forum, is no business, this is an outlet good sir. I am not boycotting, I am not saying that I want to get a group together and burn this mother down, I am saying that this random act of "sillyness" was of poor taste. All I said in the beginning was, "I think it should be changed back, it is stupid." And of course you said it was not stupid, but "intelligent" or what ever. But you know what, that doesn't even matter. What matters is that I think it is stupid, if you do not, hurrah for you, if everybody else thinks it is awesome, hurrah for them also. I think it is childish and has no place here. BUT, I guess majority vote wins, I guess we keep the random BS route. A++
Also:
LOL
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As I have said before, I agree with EarthBound. It's silly to have these words changed to something completely irrelevant against the posters will. I didn't get that it was a joke because the mods are usually very serious and LPChip seems to stress making jokes obvious. Now please change it back.
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Can someone please explain what this thread is about? I'm really lost... :huh:
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ofcource -> ofcource
alot -> alot
atleast -> atleast
:P
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I just wanna say that if you guys didn't declare war against this harmless little thing, it would be enjoyable. I love the accusations of killing the forum when this thread is the worst thing I've seen here in a long while. Let's all divide and complain about everything that doesn't even really affect us.
FIGHT THE POWER
FOR NO GOOD REASON
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Am I petitioning? And this here, this forum, is no business, this is an outlet good sir. I am not boycotting, I am not saying that I want to get a group together and burn this mother down, I am saying that this random act of "sillyness" was of poor taste. All I said in the beginning was, "I think it should be changed back, it is stupid."
The forum isn't a democracy. What the majority thinks doesn't necessarily affect what decisions the people running the forum make. (Obviously, though, the staff can't totally ignore the users.)
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ofcource -> BANANA (of course)
alot -> BADGER (a lot)
atleast -> POTATO (at least)
:P
this thread is getting attacked by badger of sarcastic posts.
potato this isnt going too far.
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Considering it has the correct meaning afterwards, it isn't really that bad.
You can always edit your posts afterwards to stop it anyway.
i.e. no big deal.
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I've removed the joke, as I think its point has been made by now.
However, I'm not locking this topic, as its a good discussion.
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Thanks, very much. :D
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Yay \o/
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I'm still very confused.. what is sprunkeldunkel?
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If you want to say something you should just be able to say it. If you put the words you removed in a parenthesis right after it, it makes no sense to remove them at all.
This is almost at the same level as taunting people for not being able to spell.
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I still have no idea why people made such a big deal about this. Hardly any of the posts were changed if you had looked around.
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Perfect example:
SPR?NKELD?NKEL ROBOTS SPR?NKELD?NKEL
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If you want to say something you should just be able to say it. If you put the words you removed in a parenthesis right after it, it makes no sense to remove them at all.
This is almost at the same level as taunting people for not being able to spell.
Actually, the words in parentheses are the correct, expanded form of the replaced misspelling, so it's not the same words. 9_9
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I think it's more like taunting people for not being able to use the spellchecker.
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I think everyone here is a moron.
Okay, no. I think everyone here acted like a moron.
First of all, as a *ahem* joke, this was totally ridiculous and silly. I can pretty much guarantee nobody found it very funny. Ooohhhh, you use the word filter to turn a couple things into totally unrelated things, ohhhhh. Come on, you can do better than that. Rename all the forums to Trash, give users access to a fake admin control panel, change the default theme to something bright green and with rubber ducks, but no, you had to go and do the one thing that would just feel dumb.
The words weren't even chosen well. I recall a forum in which the word "pineapple" was censored just to see if anybody noticed. That was actually slightly creative! This is just garbage.
Secondly, had I thought this would last forever (as EarthBound evidently did), I would definitely have spoken out. Had I been aware of it before its removal, this post probably would have been a bit more entertaining to read. That wouldn't have even been a joke, it would just be abuse of the word filter.
Finally, LPChip has a tendency to have spelling and grammar just as bad as anyone else here. This is pretty much a natural inclination being that English isn't his native language, but he's probably used "ofcourse" more often than any other resident of the forum and then to more or less taunt other people for it is just HILARIOUS.
I mean, this forum has had some pretty weird stuff going on but this really takes the cake.
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hm, minmay just summed it up pretty much perfectly. My thoughts exactly.
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I'm still very confused.. what is sprunkeldunkel?
so am I... :S
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Finally, LPChip has a tendency to have spelling and grammar just as bad as anyone else here. This is pretty much a natural inclination being that English isn't his native language, but he's probably used "ofcourse" more often than any other resident of the forum and then to more or less taunt other people for it is just HILARIOUS.
LPChip didn't set this up. Paula did, with suggestions from users in #niffchat.
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I'm still very confused.. what is sprunkeldunkel?
so am I... :S
This. (http://ni2.se/files/mmf2_sources)
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"Spr?nkeld?nkel" is a word that appears multiple times in Nifflas's stuff.
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"Spr?nkeld?nkel" is a word that appears multiple times in Nifflas's stuff.
i think it's swedish for "nonsense" or something like that
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It's not a word at all- it's a nonce word (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonce_word). Googling it brings up seven results, all of which are Nifflas-related.
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Spr?nkeld?nkel can mean anything you want it to be.
^ check back to this thread for proof! >:E
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Finally, LPChip has a tendency to have spelling and grammar just as bad as anyone else here. This is pretty much a natural inclination being that English isn't his native language, but he's probably used "ofcourse" more often than any other resident of the forum and then to more or less taunt other people for it is just HILARIOUS.
LPChip didn't set this up. Paula did, with suggestions from users in #niffchat.
Well, same point.
Also I hope my post didn't sound rude; I was just trying to state my feelings in a (slightly exaggerated and) straightforward way.
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Well, same point.
Except Paula isn't spelling and grammarly challenged.
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If you want to say something you should just be able to say it. If you put the words you removed in a parenthesis right after it, it makes no sense to remove them at all.
This is almost at the same level as taunting people for not being able to spell.
Actually, the words in parentheses are the correct, expanded form of the replaced misspelling, so it's not the same words. 9_9
Of course, that is what I meant to say. At least try to understand what someone is saying before trying to correct them. 9_9
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Why is this argument still going on? It was a stupid, harmless, little joke, there was no point in arguing about it in the first place, and it's been undone already. Just drop it.
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I'm very much confused. I have never seen 1 post in these forums which has a Miss-spelt word...prove me wrong, I still do not understand what this topic is about.
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...there are tons of misspelled words on the forum- for example, "Miss-spelt".
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I'm very much confused. I have never seen 1 post in these forums which has a Miss-spelt word...prove me wrong, I still do not understand what this topic is about.
...there are tons of misspelled words on the forum- for example, "Miss-spelt".
XD
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User names are also often misspelled.
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I believe this made "sprunkeldunkel" the forum meme. :shifty:
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Actually, Nifflas uses a lot of nonsense-pseudo-german words he made up for a lot of stuff. (You might find more than a few from his old source codes. X)) I've seen his desktop and it contains MORE than a few folders etc called something like 'Zuchtunf Zinfit', 'Spl?nkirl Zvrauchil' and so on.
He has made an application which comes up with these nonsense-pseudo-german words, the application is called 'Spr?nkelD?nkel (http://niffpage.greywool.com/files/Tools/Spr%c3%bcnkelD%c3%bcnkel.zip)'. The button on the app hints that these nonsense-pseudo-german words themselves are called Spr?nkelD?nkels. C)p
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maybe that's what he uses to make the folder names on his desktop! X)
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He has made an application which comes up with these nonsense-pseudo-german words
thats so cool!
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i found this topic to be very funny
...just wanted to share that.
forum users are getting greedy
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forum users are getting greedy
Not wanting stupid word censoring isn't greed, its common sense, but lets not bring this up again, alright?
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I would like to apologize for my behavior in this topic. I overreacted. I hope I did not contribute to EarthBound015's leaving. :S
EDIT: I misspelled EarthBound's name! XD
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forum users are getting greedy
Not wanting stupid word censoring isn't greed, its common sense, but lets not bring this up again, alright?
It's greed to try to control how the forum is run (even on something as minor as this), and it's greed to try to manipulate others by, for example, leaving instead of accepting a minor change.
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I think it's a great idea. It would be so much fun. :)