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Title: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: B-Man on June 11, 2009, 10:13:29
Summer vacation just started for me, so I began to work on this level a little bit. Apocalyptic City will have Juni as a lone survivor living in the midst of a destroyed city long abandoned. The level will have little to no text messages, and instead I'll try to convey the story elements of the city, and the disaster that took place, through hand-drawn graphics. There will be a ton of original content, such as custom objects, ambiance, music, sound effects, and tilesets. I plan to work on this for a long time, and I hope to have several distinct sections of the city that will be fun to explore.

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Here's a basic idea of what the city will look like: Destroyed (http://features.cgsociety.org/newgallerycrits/g97/87297/87297_1094339936.jpg)

Here's a song type I plan to include: The Rose Window (http://ecco-darksea.com/music/dotf/the_rose_window.mp3)

And here's a spoiler image of the first screen. It's not done yet, but it's a start.
Spoiler: (click to show/hide)

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I'll be working on this for a long time, so any ideas or constructive criticism you guys have will be great for motivating me to finish this! :D

Important! Demos will be posted on the archive (http://knyttlevels.com/?page=download).

Update 1: Demo of nearly finished first screen.
Update 2: New demo. A few more screens (which aren't finished) but you get the idea.
Update 3: New demo on the archives, entitled "Apocalyptic City Alpha 1." A new gradient and a few minor tweaks.
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: googoogjoob on June 11, 2009, 11:29:31
The concept hasn't really been fully explored in KS yet, and the screenshot looks promising. I eagerly anticipate this level's release. (Incidentally, would it not be "Post-Apocalyptic City"?)
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Dataflashsabot on June 11, 2009, 12:16:04
This looks absolutely awesome! Very much looking forward to it  :)
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: BackwardsO on June 11, 2009, 12:48:00
Wow it looks good! I agree with goog that the post apocalyptic angle hasn't been used very much, but a lot of people talk about it. I'm just waiting for a whole bunch of levels like these to come out, but I think I'm looking forward to yours the most!
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Firecat on June 11, 2009, 19:22:20
Look, great, i really like the "Collage shelter" :D.
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Vinterrun on June 11, 2009, 20:29:15
Awesome screen. Looks like I house I want to explore =D

Hm... it would be kuhl to see some custom objects of different kind of rats and bats for example. To add some odd stuff
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Emeraldfire7 on June 11, 2009, 20:48:30
dont forget the cock-a-roaches XD those things survive anything that shelter looks awesmoe i hope to see this completed as most of my project's and many other like this get abandoned down the road

good luck :P2
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Evil on June 11, 2009, 21:39:27
That looks very natural, and homey :)
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Salmoneous on June 11, 2009, 22:22:05
Quote from: Emeraldfire7 on June 11, 2009, 20:48:30
dont forget the cock-a-roaches XD

Radroaches!
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: farik on June 12, 2009, 00:17:14
hasn't been explored much? what about 'deserter life' by that guy farik?  ;)
anyway, yeah, this looks pretty awesome.
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: googoogjoob on June 12, 2009, 04:02:06
Quote from: farik on June 12, 2009, 00:17:14
hasn't been explored much? what about 'deserter life' by that guy farik?  ;)

Yeah but Deserter Life is really short and never actually goes into a city.
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: B-Man on June 12, 2009, 05:26:45
I had a bit of time to work on this today, so I added a generator to Juni's shelter and fixed up those steel girders on the left. There's a download on the original post, if you want to try out the nearly finished first screen. :P

Also, thanks to everyone for the feedback so far! I wasn't expecting this many people to be interested already. :^^:
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: JC Grim the 'crete reaper on June 12, 2009, 05:52:21
Quote from: B-Man on June 12, 2009, 05:26:45
I had a bit of time to work on this today, so I added a generator to Juni's shelter and fixed up those steel girders on the left. There's a download on the original post, if you want to try out the nearly finished first screen. :P

Also, thanks to everyone for the feedback so far! I wasn't expecting this many people to be interested already. :^^:

That honestly looks amazing. I can hardly wait now...
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Strange Darkness on June 12, 2009, 09:45:51
 :shocked: :O :shocked: :O :shocked: :O :shocked: :O :shocked:

been waiting for something like this since i started playing knytt stories
i want to cry for joy but theres no smiley expressing that...
im lost for words expect this is gonna be EPIC!
im with you all the way  C)p
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Comhon on June 12, 2009, 18:30:56
I really enjoyed the screen. 8) The tileset is AMAZING :whoa: (as your all tilesets). Other graphic like custom objects and different effects is perfect. I am really looking foward it.
Keep working. This level will be really very good. ;)
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Pumpkinbot on June 12, 2009, 20:57:27
Do I spy a Metroid reference on the generator? :awsum:
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: lilmanjs16 on June 12, 2009, 22:17:36
the screen looks amazing and the song choice is very good. glad to see you haven't abandoned one of the best video game soundtracks ever.
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: B-Man on June 12, 2009, 22:52:36
Quote from: Pumpkinbot on June 12, 2009, 20:57:27
Do I spy a Metroid reference on the generator? :awsum:

Well, I didn't have Metroid in mind when I drew the lightning bolt on the generator, but now that you mention it... XD

Quote from: lilmanjs16 on June 12, 2009, 22:17:36
the screen looks amazing and the song choice is very good. glad to see you haven't abandoned one of the best video game soundtracks ever.

Thanks. Ecco ftw! :D
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: B-Man on June 15, 2009, 02:25:32
Hey, I've got some good news and some slightly bad news.

Good news- my old computer went caput, so I got a new one that'll be much more up to date! :D

Slightly bad news- since my old computer died, I lost the progress I made on the level. I didn't lose much... just the interior of Juni's shelter. It shouldn't take long to remake.

Good thing I decided to post a download of the first screen a few days ago, or the level would have been lost entirely!
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Strange Darkness on June 15, 2009, 08:58:10
Quote from: B-Man on June 15, 2009, 02:25:32
Hey, I've got some good news and some slightly bad news.

Good news- my old computer went caput, so I got a new one that'll be much more up to date! :D

Slightly bad news- since my old computer died, I lost the progress I made on the level. I didn't lose much... just the interior of Juni's shelter. It shouldn't take long to remake.

Good thing I decided to post a download of the first screen a few days ago, or the level would have been lost entirely!

Nearly lost?
wow that is close  :O
luckly its back on track!
keep up the good work
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Teper on June 15, 2009, 10:57:01
Superb screen. That seems very original
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: utherdoul on June 15, 2009, 13:41:25
Looks very nice. The generator is great: lovely and rusty! Plus, the shelter is very original.
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: B-Man on June 17, 2009, 09:20:28
Well, I'm still getting used to my new computer, but I've re-downloaded Knytt Stories and everything I'll need to work on the level again. I'll recreate the interior of Juni's shelter, and I guess I'll upload the level preview once that's done.

I'm really paranoid of losing progress on levels due to my computer dying on me. It happened to me once while working on The Great Race, and now it's happened to me while working on this. XD

First time, lightning struck my computer and fried it. This time, my registry cleaner randomly decided to delete my operating system, rendering the computer useless.
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: StaticRomantic on June 18, 2009, 05:10:48
Wow. Way to one-up my fallout level. Looking good, keep it up.
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: B-Man on June 19, 2009, 10:41:58
Quote from: StaticRomantic on June 18, 2009, 05:10:48
Wow. Way to one-up my fallout level. Looking good, keep it up.

Thanks. Fallout looks pretty awesome btw. :)

Also, just wanted to post back here to let people know I'm still making a whole-lotta progress. I'll post a little update once the interior of the shelter is done, but man... I'm really having fun making these custom objects! XD
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Strange Darkness on June 19, 2009, 11:03:26
OH BOY A DEMO! :awsum:  C)p

EDIT: you sir are a god among men...that was sooo ....amazing no wait thats an understatment...the ambience...the feel...its soo wow u captured it the best way and that was only one screen..cant wait for a whole level.....(maybe add some flies or a moth in the light)
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: LPChip on June 25, 2009, 09:28:35
Please note, posting a level is not allowed in the Knytt Stories Levels Preview forum. Images and text are.
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Vinterrun on June 25, 2009, 10:17:36
Oh come on LPchip it`s just some kind of a demo version, to get a better feeling for the screenshot. I think it`s okay. It`s not a police departement  ;)
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Strange Darkness on June 25, 2009, 10:44:50
Quote from: Vinterrun on June 25, 2009, 10:17:36
Oh come on LPchip it`s just some kind of a demo version, to get a better feeling for the screenshot. I think it`s okay. It`s not a police departement  ;)
As much as i agree with you Vinterrun , LPChip has a point....
If one person does it then others do and then it might be bigger than one screen and so on....
*Luckly i downloaded it before the link was off :awsum: *
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: LightningEagle on June 25, 2009, 10:45:33
Quote from: LPChip on June 25, 2009, 09:28:35
Please note, posting a level is not allowed in the Knytt Stories Levels Preview forum. Images and text are.
Let's say he uploads it to the archive and slightly indicates that it could be found there, acceptable?  :P2
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: LPChip on June 25, 2009, 18:00:17
Quote from: LightningEagle on June 25, 2009, 10:45:33
Quote from: LPChip on June 25, 2009, 09:28:35
Please note, posting a level is not allowed in the Knytt Stories Levels Preview forum. Images and text are.
Let's say he uploads it to the archive and slightly indicates that it could be found there, acceptable?  :P2

Yes, acceptable :)
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: B-Man on June 25, 2009, 20:38:25
Quote from: LPChip on June 25, 2009, 09:28:35
Please note, posting a level is not allowed in the Knytt Stories Levels Preview forum. Images and text are.

Oh, sorry. I didn't fully understand how this preview section worked. X)

So... I guess for future demos, I'll just upload them to the archive and say "Go get it!" :P
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: B-Man on July 02, 2009, 10:19:24
Time for a little update, just in case my computer dies again.

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to work on the level too much. I've had a pretty busy summer so far, but I will try to get back to work on this. The update is just a few screens bigger than the last one, and they aren't completely finished, but some of you may be interested in seeing the basic concept of Juni's shelter.

Download is on the archives (http://knyttlevels.com/?page=download).
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: JC Grim the 'crete reaper on July 07, 2009, 03:09:54
Quote from: B-Man on July 02, 2009, 10:19:24
Time for a little update, just in case my computer dies again.

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to work on the level too much. I've had a pretty busy summer so far, but I will try to get back to work on this. The update is just a few screens bigger than the last one, and they aren't completely finished, but some of you may be interested in seeing the basic concept of Juni's shelter.

Download is on the archives (http://knyttlevels.com/?page=download).

Your smart-aleck attitude in the beta amuses me. XD

Btw, the way you made the inside of the shelter is epic, I love how it blocks off certain sections, and etc. with shifts.
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Strange Darkness on October 09, 2009, 12:43:56
Hows progress  :huh: (plz dont be dead, cause this is one of the levels on my list im waiting for)
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: B-Man on October 17, 2009, 11:29:35
Quote from: Strange Darkness on October 09, 2009, 12:43:56
Hows progress  :huh: (plz dont be dead, cause this is one of the levels on my list im waiting for)

To be honest, I haven't been able to work on it for the past few months... at all. I've started a busy year of school, and aside from that, I was experiencing weird situations in which KS Manager would randomly refuse to let me update/ change my custom data.

Then again... school is easing up just a bit, and KS Manager is beginning to behave. I guess I'll try to resume work on this, but I gotta be honest, progress will be slow. I'll attempt to update the demo/ screenshots whenever I have something new to report, but no promises.

(And I'll be honest here. I'd be a lot more willing to complete this level if the KS community was as large and active as it was when the game first came out, but I know it's never going to be that way again. :<)
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Pumpkinbot on October 18, 2009, 01:37:01
Quote from: B-Man on October 17, 2009, 11:29:35
Quote from: Strange Darkness on October 09, 2009, 12:43:56
Hows progress  :huh: (plz dont be dead, cause this is one of the levels on my list im waiting for)

To be honest, I haven't been able to work on it for the past few months... at all. I've started a busy year of school, and aside from that, I was experiencing weird situations in which KS Manager would randomly refuse to let me update/ change my custom data.

Then again... school is easing up just a bit, and KS Manager is beginning to behave. I guess I'll try to resume work on this, but I gotta be honest, progress will be slow. I'll attempt to update the demo/ screenshots whenever I have something new to report, but no promises.

(And I'll be honest here. I'd be a lot more willing to complete this level if the KS community was as large and active as it was when the game first came out, but I know it's never going to be that way again. :<)
If you give up on this, I will have to call out Morgan Freeman to kick your ass! D:< (Kidding. But seriously, FINISH THIS.)
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: yohji on November 24, 2009, 23:27:52
Eh, just downloaded and played the beta and it's so promising. Even if it ends up about running from shelter to shelter with a few shots of the ruined city, it'd probably still be great.

Quote from: B-Man on October 17, 2009, 11:29:35
(And I'll be honest here. I'd be a lot more willing to complete this level if the KS community was as large and active as it was when the game first came out, but I know it's never going to be that way again. :<)

You're right, but then the community's still here, and good levels still happen every now and again... if you decide to finish this, I'm sure you'll make quite a few people happy, including me  :)
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Hmpf on November 27, 2009, 04:11:48
Quote from: yohji on November 24, 2009, 23:27:52
You're right, but then the community's still here, and good levels still happen every now and again... if you decide to finish this, I'm sure you'll make quite a few people happy, including me  :)

Seconded. I'm starved for new environmentals!
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Strange Darkness on November 30, 2009, 10:32:56
Make few people happy? i wouldnt know anyone who wouldn't love this level. The detail is brilliant!  C)p
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: B-Man on December 07, 2009, 05:02:35
Alright... I managed to get some time to work on the level today. I didn't do much, but I did spend about ten minutes making a better gradient and polishing a few things here and there. It's not much, but it's more than I've done the last month or so, so I've gone ahead and uploaded my progress to the Knytt Stories Level Archive.

If you want to play it, it's called "Apocalyptic City Alpha 1."
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Strange Darkness on April 16, 2010, 08:15:29
This isn't dead is it?  :sad: (no seriously this level is quite amazing )
So hows progress and all that?
(Yes im one of those people who have been following this since it started and is practically stalking this level)
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Headgrinder on April 30, 2010, 13:33:15
This was one of the first non-nifflas levels I played, back when I didn't even realize there was a forum (hey, it says IF YOU NEED HELP on the Nifflas web site, not IF YOU WANT TO CHAT ABOUT ALL KINDS OF NEW GAMES AND HOW TO MAKE LEVELS AND DO LOTS OF OTHER COOL STUFF).  I was super impressed, and so disappointed when I realized it was just a demo.  The light switch and the music... everything was great.  Please keep it going!
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Vinterrun on January 20, 2011, 11:29:00
Quote from: Strange Darkness on April 16, 2010, 08:15:29
This isn't dead is it?  :sad: (no seriously this level is quite amazing )
So hows progress and all that?
(Yes im one of those people who have been following this since it started and is practically stalking this level)

Same question 8 Month later!
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: B-Man on March 12, 2013, 06:39:41
Welp, it has been over two years since anyone has asked about this, but I felt like posting back here. I'm pretty busy with college and whatnot, so I may not ever finish this level entirely, but I think I would at least like to make some more progress.

I was scouring around for some more source material for inspiration, and I noticed that one of my favorite level designers, Farik, had used sounds and music from ERH of freesoundproject.org. ERH had about 90 pages worth of uploaded files, most of which were artistic and interesting, though useless from a game-designing perspective (15 pages of audio recordings from a train station anyone?). However, I was eventually able to sift through the audio and find some very well composed pieces of strange, slightly off-putting music which would be perfect for what I have in mind.

To list a few that I plan to use:

-Atmosphere 2 (http://www.freesound.org/people/ERH/sounds/29591/)
-Eh struuct multi (http://www.freesound.org/people/ERH/sounds/51226/)
-Eastern (http://www.freesound.org/people/ERH/sounds/50853/)

...Just listening to these have helped me to decide where I want the level to go, so I will do my best to make some headway and keep you all up to date whenever I have news to report. :)
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: sergiocornaga on March 12, 2013, 09:55:43
Bizarre... I just finished replaying Sputzna and was browsing through ERH's Freesound uploads for the first time mere minutes before seeing this reply. If you feel like it, I'd love to see a bigger list of the gems you have discovered among the uploads!

Good luck with progress. Aiming just to work on the level more is probably more likely to result in a finished level than aiming to complete it, anyway!

P.S. This (http://www.freesound.org/people/farik/downloaded_sounds/) might prove helpful?
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: egomassive on March 12, 2013, 17:19:46
Weird, I thought about this level last week. I don't know what brought it to mind, but I anticipated its release once upon a time.
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: B-Man on March 18, 2013, 01:27:39
Ah, thank you Sergio! That is pretty handy, partly because it lets me see what songs Farik has used, and partly because it shows what songs he hasn't used.  I want to avoid re-using songs so his levels keep their distinct feel to them.

Truth be told, I haven't selected too many other sounds to use from ERH just yet, but there are a few more I have selected that I plan on using fairly early on in the level. I will keep them under wraps for now, but they should be available when I release an updated version on KS Levels. :)
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Headgrinder on March 19, 2013, 06:55:57
Yah for updates!  Yeah, keep it going man!  This is still one of the top 20 inspirational levels to me... and it was just a demo. 
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Polana on March 19, 2013, 22:42:47
New version ? Can't wait for it.
I've lost my hope to see it finished, but this...
Title: Re: [Environmental] Apocalyptic City
Post by: Strange Darkness on March 31, 2013, 05:48:41
Oh my!
This is still in the running!
How wonderful ! All the best!