I fucking confirm.
Is that really something to base it off of? It could be that he's really unhappy about another? vanilla role, or something.If you have something better to base your vote/FoS off of,
Is that really something to base it off of? It could be that he's really unhappy about another? vanilla role, or something.It is really early in the day. Asking for a good discussion and sensible voting right now would be like asking a 4 year old to ride a bike.
Taking this post from the confirmation thread into account, I hereby start off the day by voting Salmoneous. Only an eeeeevil Mafia member would use such language.
This leads me to think you might be the mafia.OMGUS reaction.
You are the first to vote and you can't come up with a good reason to vote either. Typical mafia move! .Not really. Random voting is pretty common in early D1. So is voting for crappy reasons. It doesn't make you mafia.
And prolly the next person to vote will also vote for me so that person is a mafia and will help you vote me out, starting a chain reaction so everyone will vote on meWhy are you so afraid of a bandwagon? This entire statement is pure speculation, and it doesn't even seem very likely to me.
Is that really something to base it off of? It could be that he's really unhappy about another? vanilla role, or something.Meh, I don't think it can be used to determine anything either way.
Typical mafia move!Very assured language for this early. Besides it isn't even true.
And prolly the next person to vote will also vote for me so that person is a mafia and will help you vote me out, starting a chain reaction so everyone will vote on me.This is kinda weird. It's irrational.
FOS: RazzormanWe can't ignore him just because of that. If anyone is behaving strangely, we should point it out, regardless of who said it.
Salmoneous didn't overreact very much IMO. Also, he is like that, and have always been.
If you think he is suspicious for defending himself from a vote (that also had a bad reason) I think you are the one who is suspicious.I don't. I think he is suspicious for being paranoid and irrational.
If anyone is behaving strangely, we should point it out, regardless of who said it.
If you think he is suspicious for defending himself from a vote (that also had a bad reason) I think you are the one who is suspicious.I don't. I think he is suspicious for being paranoid and irrational.
Salmoneous is always paranoid and irrational. He is also random and straight-forward.Yes, well done; but this defense doesn't back up his innocence in the least.
He says what is on his mind. He often ignores people, and don't care about what they think. And he is proud of it.
That's why I like him so much. He is a true Spr?nkelD?nkel Knight.
@Mod: Can we have a playerlist? Maybe a dead list as well at the end of D1?This ^.
Yes, this was kind of an overspeculation thingy, but just to get a discussion going.How much is your actual views and how much is "provoking". e.g Do you actually find Razz's post suss?
I'm kinda defending Salmoneous, yes.So let me get this clear: Do you think there is a greater than normal chance that Salmoneous is town in this game? Are you defending the notion that we shouldn't lynch him, attacking the notion that we should, neither or both?
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If you try to get something out of him, you are wasting your time.Which is an adequately good reason to lynch him.
If you have something better to base your vote/FoS off of,This mindset for placing votes is questionable.I hope you brought enough for the rest of the classdo enlighten me.
Not wanting to sound like a mouthpiece for Salmoneous as I do, had he wanted to be as serious about his accusations as he seems, Salmoneous would have voted for Zetta already.
@ Salmonaeous, do you really think zetta is mafia?
This mindset for placing votes is questionable.Questionable? Certainly! This is still day one. I was primarily just trying to get discussion started.
Does one place one's vote on the person who is most suspicious at the time and wait passively for more information to materialise, and when that time comes (if it does) just vote-hop?
Obviously, I'm taking that little stump and the beginning of the graph and projecting it way too long, but you know, it felt like it needed pointing out.
That being said, the way he's reacted to the vote combined with the logs of past games has only made me more sure of my vote. I'm positive* that I'm onto something now.
Limelemon has left two questions by Budja unanswered.Correct, I am especially interested in your (LimeLemon's) opinion of Razzorman.
If I sound like I know what I'm talking about, you probably misread my post.
I don't find anyone suspicious, except for Zetta maybe, but just a little.Quote from: LunarLimelemon has left two questions by Budja unanswered.Correct, I am especially interested in your (LimeLemon's) opinion of Razzorman.
His previous games show this is not unusual behaviour for him. It doesn't excuse his behaviour but how does it make you more sure?You've answered your own question. His behavior makes me more sure that my vote is a good one this early on. If it's his policy to be a ⑨ (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Cirno), then that deserves a vote, regardless of whether or not he's mafia.
If it's his policy to be a ⑨, then that deserves a vote, regardless of whether or not he's mafia.His behaviour is usual for him. I'm not a great believer is meta arguments but I still think his actions are null by his own standards.
I don't find anyone suspicious, except for Zetta maybe, but just a little.1. Why Zetta?
1. Why Zetta?I find it suspicious that you're defending me so much. You might be trying to get a rep as a townie by defending innocent people! How insidiously eeeevil.
2. Then why did you say Razz was suspicious?
My aim is not to defend you as such but rather to determine Limelemons reasons. I want to know why you are suspicious in his eyes. I dislike suspicions which are left as unexplained as this.But clearly only a mafia member would use another person as his tool like that!
Why the dramaturgy zetta? Anyhow, why are you so sure only mafia would do that?My aim is not to defend you as such but rather to determine Limelemons reasons. I want to know why you are suspicious in his eyes. I dislike suspicions which are left as unexplained as this.But clearly only a mafia member would use another person as his tool like that!
1. Why Zetta?1. Zetta made a random vote and then defended that vote.
2. Then why did you say Razz was suspicious?
Why the dramaturgy zetta? Anyhow, why are you so sure only mafia would do that?I wasn't really being all that serious. That's why there's the :P at the end of it.
1. Zetta made a random vote and then defended that vote.Why not? Regardless of my role, there's no way I can know what he is day 1, so I just have to vote based on whatever strikes me.
2. One can change opinions, you know.One can also explain why their opinions have changed.
Don't start that "he used a bad word, he is mean!" crap.I can't exactly tell if this is typical or not. Salmoneous usually sits in the background until someone votes him, and an early vote probably will lead to some interesting activity.
This leads me to think you might be the mafia. You are the first to vote and you can't come up with a good reason to vote either. Typical mafia move! And prolly the next person to vote will also vote for me so that person is a mafia and will help you vote me out, starting a chain reaction so everyone will vote on me.
Last game the mafia decided to rat one another out to avoid suspicion.We didn't really :P.
Blatant ignoring, as next LL post unrelated.Quote2. One can change opinions, you know.One can also explain why their opinions have changed.
...and if Limelemon is town then we could say that Limelemon isn't playing selfishly enough and is therefore kinda breaking the game.Could you explain exactly what you mean by this?
Blatant ignoring, as next LL post unrelated.True, get answering LimeLemon :P.
@Razz, why the unvote?I voted because Shawn because he was inactive. He isn't inactive now, so I see no reason to keep my vote.
CONFIRM VOTE: BoredtoDeathIs that really enough reason to vote? Or am Or am I missing something? Seems to me like you are rushing it.
Surely you can find something suspicious. You are not trying hard enough scumbag.
ZettaMind explaining what makes you more sure zetta is mafia now than before you voted?
I have already said why I think Zetta is suspicious.But what convinced you of voting all of a sudden?
Well.Quote from: Lunar...and if Limelemon is town then we could say that Limelemon isn't playing selfishly enough and is therefore kinda breaking the game.Could you explain exactly what you mean by this?
I can't see how you see Zetta suspicious at this point, seeing as this is the first mafia game he has played on the forum and having no other games to base him off of.Hm. Firstly, who do you mean by 'you'? Salmon and LL?
@Lunar, why are you setting up a chain lynch here?What I meant was that for a D1 lynch, my first preference would be a Salmoneous lynch. My second preference would be a LL lynch.
1. We lynch Salmoneous and he's a Mafia.Why would we lynch LimeLemon if salmoneous turned out to be mafia? We wouldn't be sure LL is more than an over-defensive townie anyway.
Yay! Next we go ahead and lynch Limelemon.
2. We lynch Salmoneous and he's a townie.
We lose a townie, and we still aren't sure if Limelemon is a over-defensive townie or a mafia trying to confuse us.
3. We lynch Limelemon and he's a Mafia.Nope. We can't guess that salmoneous is town just because LL turns out to be. LL wouldn't have any more reason to think that salmoneous is town than the rest of us, and he might unknowingly have defended a mafia player.
Yay! Now Salmoneous gets lynched.
4. We lynch Limelemon and he's a townie.
Yes, we lose a townie, but we can guess that Salmoneous is a townie, as no one would defend someone for no reason.
4. We lynch Limelemon and he's a townie.
Yes, we lose a townie, but we can guess that Salmoneous is a townie, as no one would defend someone for no reason.
First off, I said that Salmoneous seemed suspicious. I would lynch him, but since Limelemon's defensive of him, It'd be better off lynching him instead.
Two more votes and I'm going down... blahness.
...though it strikes me as funny that Zetta has stuck with that vote for so long...This is why.
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Vote: LimeLemon
Any reason for the sudden hammer Zetta, why didn't you wait for a claim?
Also, is it just me, or does Zetta seem to be starting voting and fosing a lot of stuff?It's primarily because I'm paranoid about keeping this game active. I've seen too many good mafia games go idle halfway through.
Also, can we assume that one of the power roles is one of the least active players?No, we can't. For example, Lunar was the doctor last game, yet he wasn't inactive in any way. It could be one of the inactives, but it could just as well be someone else.
Also, is it just me, or does Zetta seem to be starting voting and fosing a lot of stuff? It seems pretty suspicious to me that he is almost trying to get bandwagons started up right away, as though it would be beneficial to him, though I guess that it could be if he was investigator, as well...What is this? When did Zetta attempt to start a bandwagon?
I'm a bit suspicious of how shawnachu seems so attached to his false dichotomy, I'll admit. I'd say there's really no reason to go after Salmoneous now, no more so than anyone else at this point.Shawnachu hasn't posted since he said that, so he hasn't had a chance to explain himself, or change his mind.
BoredAlso, can we assume that one of the power roles is one of the least active players?No, we can't. For example, Lunar was the doctor last game, yet he wasn't inactive in any way. It could be one of the inactives, but it could just as well be someone else.
I think we can draw the conclusion that it is someone inactive.Please enlighten me. How can we be sure it is one of the inactive players?
I think we can draw the conclusion that it is someone inactive.This makes no sense at all. Fos: Salmoneous.
This makes no sense at all. Fos: Salmoneous.You're either not paying attention or scum. Either way: FoS: Dataflashsabot
Well, Salmoneous, that doesn't tell us what ROLE the inactive person had. The odds are 2:1 that it is town sided (see above post for logic behind this). What role do you think it is?There's really no way to tell at this point. Any guesses we could make would just be pointless, baseless conjecture.
Also, it seems like they've got us going in circles, all pointing fingers at one another... whoever they are, they're pretty clever.This "semi-praise" for the scum team looks like a minor tell to me.
Also, can we assume that one of the power roles is one of the least active players?rolefishing = very bad.
Right now? Probably Zetta, for, as I said earlier, trying to start bandwagons up immediately, almost as though he wants to progress the game to the night quickly.
When did Zetta attempt to start a bandwagon?I vote: Bored for role fishing, and avoiding questions.
Right now? Probably Zetta, for, as I said earlier, trying to start bandwagons up immediately, almost as though he wants to progress the game to the night quickly.Excuse me? Bandwagons? I'm not trying to start bandwagons, I'm trying to encourage discussion and avoid entire days without posts.
I thought he had tried to start a bandwagon on D1, with Salmoneous, and D2, with his FOS immediately on Shawn...Oh, right, because my FoS is more suspicious than Budja's immediate vote. Seriously, what do you have against me?
Well, it's only one vote, and truthfully, I'm not worried about 1 vote, but it just seemed to me like you might have been trying to speed up the game, get a day over with quickly so you can go into the night phase, though I guess that you could be investigator as well.I still don't see how an FoS says "I want to speed the game up" more than a vote does, especially considering that Budja's vote had little to no visible reasoning behind it.
Budja: what was with the agreeing with the prods? You seem to contradict yourself there, saying one thing, then saying something completely different. Why?Eh? An active town is a good town. If the town lurk, mafia can also lurk with little consequence.
...though I guess that you could be investigator as well.More rolefishing.
I still don't see how an FoS says "I want to speed the game up" more than a vote does, especially considering that Budja's vote had little to no visible reasoning behind it.Which vote would this be. I believe that I have a reasonable case against Bored now.
That's me for you . I don't care so much about myself, but please, spare the other people! I guess that's just my personality. If Budja had voted for anyone BUT me, then I would've thought he was trying to start a bandwagon, especially with the little evidence he had. However, since it was for me and I don't really care what happens to me one way or the other, it's just a game, I didn't really feel like sticking up for myself. It's hard to explain, I guess, especially to any selfish people around...Odd, if you are town, your alignment is the only thing you are certain of. If you don't care, you shouldn't have chosen to play, it may just be a game but that doesn't mean you can't take it seriously.
Which vote would this be. I believe that I have a reasonable case against Bored now.Sure you do now, but you didn't when you placed that vote. At least, I don't see it.
@Zetta, why no vote?I don't really know. Bored seems suspicious, but my gut says he's not scum.
Everyone seems to vote for dead. So Vote: Bored2Death"Because everyone else is doing it" is not a good enough reason to join a bandwagon. Mind telling us why you think bored is mafia?
This is not good.
Bored.
Everyone seems to vote for dead. So Vote: Bored2Death"Because everyone else is doing it" is not a good enough reason to join a bandwagon. Mind telling us why you think bored is mafia?
1. You may not post in thread at night. Phone calls are allowed, however.Further offenders will be modkilled or role-announced.
So, back to my question. Salmoneous, why did you think bored was mafia?
Errrr.So, back to my question. Salmoneous, why did you think bored was mafia?
I am the mafia myself, I know that he was the other mafia-member.
But... My reason is no business of yours and you're the one that is bussing.
FOS: Razzorman
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And no, you idiots. The executioner wasn't the investigator. He was the other mafia member.Can't say I approve of such a mod hint. Not that it matters now but still.